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post #241 of 302
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Originally Posted by rdjam
But NONE of the releases we are made to buy for HD DVD are in Mpeg2, are they? That's the point the rest of us get.
well, unless you count a view from space...this might be the first title that we will be able to compare between formats :)
post #242 of 302
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Originally Posted by Grandmaster
Yesterday I authored a HD-DVD disk image small enough to burn onto DVD-R (350mb) that plays an enormous 30mbps MPEG2 file in 1080i, and also has the same content mirrored in SD 480i. So the same disk plays in SD on any normal DVD player, and HD on HD-DVD.

The content itself is an Xbox Live Marketplace trailer, upscaled from 720p/60, which my company produced.

I'd like to do the same test with Blu-Ray and have an ISO disk image ready to go.

If any of you Sammy owners would like to test this image, please PM me for the download link (about 320mb RARed, burn with DVD Decrypter or Alcohol 120%).
you had me interested there until i saw this bit; do you have any native 1080p film content to encode at such a high bit rate in mpeg2? that would be really worthwhile, imo.
post #243 of 302
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Originally Posted by Earz
I spend up to 2k on sd dvd/universal players....and realize that 99.00 or less is mass market when it comes to players.
Were do these 299.00 numbers come from?

Anymore reports of Samsung sightings?
I'm about to head out and scour a few BBs in NY, on Long Island (Syosset, Commack and Bayshore if anyone already has some info that might save me a trip...)
post #244 of 302
Would I be able to see the pq of the player if displayed on a 57" 720p?
post #245 of 302
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Originally Posted by aaronwt
A View from Space HD DVD is encoded with MPEG2.
Before I strike it off my Christmas list, how long is it? :)
post #246 of 302
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Originally Posted by BrynRhys
My local BB has two on the shelf, for sale right now. They are currently sharing the same endcap as their pathetic HD-DVD display (NB: The display is pathetic, not the technology :) ). They didn't seem to know what the eventual display would look like, only that they would get the Samsung running on a display at some point.
I was looking for them at 5 stores in Miami yesterday, but no luck :( I wanted to get hold of one to do some comparative tests.
post #247 of 302
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Originally Posted by Likvid[/QUOTE
Ferrari isn't that good as you think they are, and yes they are overpriced for the quality you get.
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Originally Posted by enmoco
...FERRARI RULES.Thats what my grandson says anyway.
Please no-one start slagging off Aston Martins :o ;)
post #248 of 302
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Originally Posted by oshodi
And by the way, the CNET review of the new Sammy blu-ray player can be read here: http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_BD_P...2.html?tag=nav
Looks like a very fair review. The reviewer's initial thoughts were that the PQ was outstanding with both the Tosh HD-DVD player and the Samsung BD player, and that he could not tell any difference between outputting 1080i and 1080p on the same movie with the Samsung.
post #249 of 302
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Originally Posted by BillP
Looks like a very fair review. The reviewer's initial thoughts were that the PQ was outstanding with both the Tosh HD-DVD player and the Samsung BD player, and that he could not tell any difference between outputting 1080i and 1080p on the same movie with the Samsung.
It's not a review Bill...its a quick few words from the editor who had a player for three hours...review coming after they receive there player.

Its not looking like others are getting any included movies of any kind either with there Samsung.
post #250 of 302
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Originally Posted by BenDover
I'm about to head out and scour a few BBs in NY, on Long Island (Syosset, Commack and Bayshore if anyone already has some info that might save me a trip...)
You can go to there online site and get phone numbers for all the ones close to you and call first.
I find it more likely for them to sell early if your there in person though as opposed to on the phone. ;)
post #251 of 302
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Originally Posted by rdjam
Before I strike it off my Christmas list, how long is it? :)
90 minutes with eight different 90 min. soundtracks of classical music to go with the scenery.
post #252 of 302
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Originally Posted by BenDover
you had me interested there until i saw this bit; do you have any native 1080p film content to encode at such a high bit rate in mpeg2? that would be really worthwhile, imo.
Once the authoring/data structure is proven to work on Blu-Ray, I'll capture Half Life: Lost Coast's fly through at 1080p and encode that.

However, there's little incentive to do so if I don't know if the authoring will work to begin with!
post #253 of 302
Come end of August, 26 BD titles from the major studios will be released, according to the list from The Digital Bits. Sony and Pioneer players would also be released by then. Supposedly, BD50 will be available as well by then.

The next three months will be exciting. :D :D :D


fuad
post #254 of 302
Now I want a blu-ray player so bad! I have a Toshiba preordered through the power buy on here but haven't gotten it yet. I went to my local BB but they don't have any. They told me they had two in stock but they are sold out and there's not anymore coming in anytime soon. I went on Ebay and saw there are some listed now.
post #255 of 302
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Originally Posted by BillP
Looks like a very fair review. The reviewer's initial thoughts were that the PQ was outstanding with both the Tosh HD-DVD player and the Samsung BD player, and that he could not tell any difference between outputting 1080i and 1080p on the same movie with the Samsung.
I had this info before each formats were released in the USA. My brother is an executive for GE and was in Japan at the onset. I begged him to tell me the noticable differences in both media. He adviced me to purchase the least priced one because if I were looking for picture quality and the ability to upgrade and convert later that the Toshiba made more sense; and that he and all of his collegues could see no difference in picture quality.
However, I will still end up having a Blu-ray player via PS3 which I love. And besides, I own three HDTVs.
post #256 of 302
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Originally Posted by markwco
Now I want a blu-ray player so bad! I have a Toshiba preordered through the power buy on here but haven't gotten it yet. I went to my local BB but they don't have any. They told me they had two in stock but they are sold out and there's not anymore coming in anytime soon. I went on Ebay and saw there are some listed now.
Get a HD DVD player... wait on Blu-ray. Spend $500 on the HD DVD deck and buy a bunch of movies. You won't be disappointed.

If you're tired of waiting, why not order a HD DVD player from Circuit City or Best Buy online?
post #257 of 302
And again no word about a release date for europe :(

we're being totally neglected.

Anyway, how does the hardware compare to the HD-DVD player, is it also more like a p4 laptop with linux or is it more like current dvd players with proper hardware decoders?
post #258 of 302
Just got back from BB...they had 6 Samsungs on the shelf and sold me one....but would not break out the BD movies until tuesday.
Same for CC...no movies until tuesday. :(
post #259 of 302
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Originally Posted by Martin_G_3D
And again no word about a release date for europe :(

we're being totally neglected.

Anyway, how does the hardware compare to the HD-DVD player, is it also more like a p4 laptop with linux or is it more like current dvd players with proper hardware decoders?
HD DVD players use Linux and a P4 with chips for audio decoding and video scaling.

From what I have seen, Blu-ray players have dedicated decoder chips. In other words, HD DVD players do more of the work in software, while the Blu-ray players have more dedicated hardware.

Either way, it really doesn't matter. DVD playback on the two decks is virtually identical (I would say the Blu-ray player is a TINY bit softer). Personally, I don't see where the additional $500 is going except in the pockets of the hardware manufacturers.

HD DVD is a way better deal if you ask me.

If you would like more details, check out this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=689149
post #260 of 302
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Originally Posted by BigMikeATL
HD DVD players use Linux and a P4 with chips for audio decoding and video scaling.
Toshiba does use Linux but the P4 is not use for audio or video scaling. Video scaling in HD resolutions would require a lot of MIPS. And for audio, Toshiba uses 4 Sharc DSPs which are optimized for audio. Samsung does not use the DSPs because it doesn't have nearly the same audio capabilities. Toshiba decodes two new audio formats and a lossless audio track. And has much better base management processing. All of this is due to high power DSPs used in the device.

The P4 is used for general processing, networking (which again the Sammy lacks), and graphics subsystem/menus (i.e. iHD).

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From what I have seen, Blu-ray players have dedicated decoder chips.
The only dedicated decoder in the Sammy is the broadcom processor which decodes the three video codecs. Ironically, it is the exact same chip that Toshiba uses for the very same purpose!

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In other words, HD DVD players do more of the work in software, while the Blu-ray players have more dedicated hardware.
Per above, this is not the case. Indeed, the Sammy also has a PC-like architecture running Linux. If you look at the motherboard in the Poland thread, you see a chip with heatsink on it plus a bunch of similar looking parts around it which are memory. And that is what you need to make a little PC. So in this sense, the Sammy is very similar to the Toshiba.

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Either way, it really doesn't matter. DVD playback on the two decks is virtually identical (I would say the Blu-ray player is a TINY bit softer). Personally, I don't see where the additional $500 is going except in the pockets of the hardware manufacturers.
Agree with this one.

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HD DVD is a way better deal if you ask me.
And definitely agree with this :D.
post #261 of 302
The BB I bought my Samsung at said they had an add in Sundays newspaper, and expect them all to sell out quickly.
They had six players as did the other two BB'S I tried to buy movies from...but I never asked how many more they may have in back.
post #262 of 302
Good to know Amir, that post changes a lot of things that have been said up to now on both sides regarding architecture.
post #263 of 302
Originally Posted by amirm
A few comments about my upconversion test of Sammy against Toshiba.

The difference between these two sets is not great enough to easily tell from memory. Playing a movie on one and then the other will be challenging as far as telling which is better. After all, both are working from pretty low-res SD sources, upsampling nearly 6X.

I did not have enough time to do full tests. Sspears is doing that (and so far, based on his early tests, he is less happy with the Sammy than I was!). Anyway, pausing does not work because of field vs frame freeze. So we did a simple test. We put in a DVD that had fine text/graphics as its start-up menu. We then let both players get to that point and sit there (we had two of the same title). We then compared the two units using two HDMI inputs on the Sony Qualia 1080 LCD. The Sammy was softer but we noticed that the Sony LCD has different set up for each HDMI input as the colors were not the same. If sharpness was set up different for the two inputs, that would nullify the test. This being a Japanese set, with Japanese menus, it is a pain to navigate the menus. So fixing the setup was not a practical option.

So we did the test the old fashion way. We got someone to sit behind the sets and switch from one player to the other on the same HDMI input on the Sony. Here, it was clear that the Sammy's interpolator is softer. The Toshiba was sharper, without a hint of ringing or over-sharpening. It simply had a cleaner, more defined look.

Mind you, we are still talking about rather horrible pictures compared to HD (those who think SD and HD should come and see this demo ). Both sets were soft, very soft in grand scheme of things on above material (i.e. text and graphics). But relative to each other, the Sammy, in 1080i upsampling mode, loses to Toshiba.

Plazman, do you happen to have two of the same SD DVD? If not, it would be great to go and buy one with the above characteristics and give it a try. Also let us know the resolution of your display. Ours was 1920x1080 so it could resolve everything that could be there.

And per my hint above, sspears is doing more scientific testing and I am sure will report back soon…


you say that but then you agree that the players are almost identical which is it??
post #264 of 302
Does the Samsung have any fan/noise???
post #265 of 302
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Originally Posted by ndjr
Does the Samsung have any fan/noise???
Barely. You have to listen VERY closely to hear it.

However, the unit does get pretty toasty on the bottom right.

Good ventilation is a must!
post #266 of 302
I suggest that anyone wanting one now check back at Best Buy frequently.

After finally talking to someone who knew they had four in stock, he said they couldn't sell them until Sunday.

When I came back today they said they had mistakenly sold them but would get two in on Sunday.

When I checked back in a few hours later, they sold me one after getting permission from a supervisor. This is the last one they can sell and several people questioned it.

It came with a $50 gift certificate.

After my experience with the Toshiba in which the severe problems surfaced after 30 days, I decided to buy the service plan. I expect problems and this may help reduce the hassle.
post #267 of 302
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Originally Posted by BenDover
I'm about to head out and scour a few BBs in NY, on Long Island (Syosset, Commack and Bayshore if anyone already has some info that might save me a trip...)
I hit all the local Best Buy & Circuit City locations multiple times this week until I finally found a store selling the Samsung (Best Buy - Commack). The store received a total of 3 units, and I bought the first one. As of 5 PM today, they had two remaining (on the very top shelf of the DVD player aisle). They had no demo setup, nor any display available. I was lucky enough to spot the boxes and snatched one up with the help of an employee. They have all the Blu-Ray titles in stock, however, they refused to sell them. The supervisor in charge stated that they were warned against selling any software until next week.

Comp USA was supposedly selling BR titles this week. I visited the Garden City store this afternoon and they had a BR software display and sales slips setup for Underworld, Hitch, Fifth Element, etc. I asked an employee if they had any titles left and he said they were all sold out, but they expected more for in time for the hardware launch next week.

Pretty impressed so far with the unit, just itching for actual BR movies. :cool:
post #268 of 302
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Originally Posted by ndjr
Does the Samsung have any fan/noise???

Yes fan, negligible noise.
post #269 of 302
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Originally Posted by nixts
I hit all the local Best Buy & Circuit City locations multiple times this week until I finally found a store selling the Samsung (Best Buy - Commack). The store received a total of 3 units, and I bought the first one. As of 5 PM today, they had two remaining (on the very top shelf of the DVD player aisle). They had no demo setup, nor any display available. I was lucky enough to spot the boxes and snatched one up with the help of an employee. They have all the Blu-Ray titles in stock, however, they refused to sell them. The supervisor in charge stated that they were warned against selling any software until next week.

Comp USA was supposedly selling BR titles this week. I visited the Garden City store this afternoon and they had a BR software display and sales slips setup for Underworld, Hitch, Fifth Element, etc. I asked an employee if they had any titles left and he said they were all sold out, but they expected more for in time for the hardware launch next week.

Pretty impressed so far with the unit, just itching for actual BR movies. :cool:
thanks, that is ultimately what i uncovered as well; the commack bb seems to be ahead of the curve on LI since they were also the first to get an allocation of 3 Tosh HD DVD players back in the day :)

but during my search, i've decided to hold off on the samsung...good luck and let us know when you finally get some BD titles what you think.
post #270 of 302
What about fast forward and reverse scan on Blue-ray movies? is it as smoth and fluid as a DVD player?
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