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post #61 of 302
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
:rolleyes:

This is why AVS is so "newsgroupesque" at times. Let's all agree to raise the bar together.

He made a cursory look at *ONE* upconverted DVD title. Which it doesn't sound like he's watched upconverted on the Tosh player either.

Can we PLEASE avoid the usual AVS mentality of trying to draw "final conclusions" from observations that don't substantiate them?

Let's wait until someone can view the same *multiple* titles upconverted on the Toshiba and the Samsung before drawing any conclusions like this (the Tosh may be better, but we need to wait to find out).
Amen to that, and my jury won't come in before the Sony (and perhaps the Pioneer as wel) has been evaluated.
post #62 of 302
Thread Starter 
David you are right. I have not made a side by side comparison of the two players yet (HD-DVD, BLU Ray and Denon). That is why I haven't made a statement on how the upconversion is. My first impression was that the picture was soft and "noisy" but all I have watched for the past week are HD-DVD's and I will assume that any SD upconverted will look sub par at the moment.

I hope that everyone didn't take that statement as true fact. It was just my first impression.

If it is any help. The upconversion of both the HD-DVD and Blu Ray doesn't seem to be any better than my Denon unit was. I know this is a broad statement, but everyone knows source is the key here.
post #63 of 302
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Originally Posted by phansson
David you are right. I have not made a side by side comparison of the two players yet (HD-DVD, BLU Ray and Denon). That is why I haven't made a statement on how the upconversion is. My first impression was that the picture was soft and "noisy" but all I have watched for the past week are HD-DVD's and I will assume that any SD upconverted will look sub par at the moment.

I hope that everyone didn't take that statement as true fact. It was just my first impression.

If it is any help. The upconversion of both the HD-DVD and Blu Ray doesn't seem to be any better than my Denon unit was. I know this is a broad statement, but everyone knows source is the key here.
There so much you can do with 480i sourced material anyway. You can boost a turd but at some point it will just stop and become paranoia..
post #64 of 302
phansson,

thanks for your great contrubtion to those of us at AVS eager to hear your impressions of the Sammy!

:D

When you get a chance, I think we'd love to hear your careful observations of how the Sammy's upconversion of SD titles compares to both the Toshiba HD DVD player as well as your Denon...

:)
post #65 of 302
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
:rolleyes:

This is why AVS is so "newsgroupesque" at times. Let's all agree to raise the bar together.

He made a cursory look at *ONE* upconverted DVD title. Which it doesn't sound like he's watched upconverted on the Tosh player either.

Can we PLEASE avoid the usual AVS mentality of trying to draw "final conclusions" from observations that don't substantiate them?

Let's wait until someone can view the same *multiple* titles upconverted on the Toshiba and the Samsung before drawing any conclusions like this (the Tosh may be better, but we need to wait to find out).
The other thing we all need to keep in mind is that the BD player that is becoming available costs DOUBLE what the HD-DVD player costs ($1000 is a helluva lot of money for most people, even those of us with really good incomes).

So, you can get HD-DVD plus about 17 titles to own and enjoy or you can have the Samsung BD player sitting there with no material.

This is similar to what is going to happen with PS3, it's going to be so over priced that many will buy an X360 or Wii + lots of games and accessories for less than the price of the PS3.

Sony seriously needs to pull its head out with their BD strategy or they are going to have another BetaMax on their hands (and it's already looking that way).
post #66 of 302
Just visited my local BB and was lucky the manager is on duty as I've gotten to know him quite well. At first he said he could not comment on the Sammy being in stock or not. When I told him there are reports on the net of other BB's selling he took me to the back. They have two players and a very large BD display case for the players and the movies. Full setup is to be on display by Sunday. The Sammy demo disc is supposedly different from the one I saw at Sony Style a few weeks ago.

The even better news is they already have the initial shipment of BD films. I saw at least 10 copies of Terminator, Hitch, House of Flying Daggers, Fifth Element and Underworld Evolution. They were not priced yet so I don't know what they'll be selling for but I imagine they'll be the same as the HD DVD's.

Personally I'm waiting for the Sony to ship before making a decision but that won't stop me from spending a few hours in BB this Sunday.
post #67 of 302
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The other thing we all need to keep in mind is that the BD player that is becoming available costs DOUBLE what the HD-DVD player costs ($1000 is a helluva lot of money for most people, even those of us with really good incomes).
Oh really? Wow... that's a newsflash for us all!

None of us at AVS had ever considered that.

;)


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So, you can get HD-DVD plus about 17 titles to own and enjoy or you can have the Samsung BD player sitting there with no material.
wow... HD DVD has 17 whole movies to choose from! Wow! That's a reason to adopt a format if I ever heard one. Oh... wait a minute... D-VHS has even *more* and is even *cheaper* than a Toshiba HD DVD deck. Guess we should scrap both HD DVD and BD and go get one of those instead!

:D

p.s. BD just luanched. Actually, it hasn't even launched at all! DUH! of course there will be more HD DVD titles around... for a little while at least...
post #68 of 302
Dave,
I think his point was that for the price of 1 BD player you can pickup 1 HD DVD player with 17 plus movies.
post #69 of 302
Dying to check out the BB display this week now!
post #70 of 302
I'm on the phone with Best Buy at Potomac yards... 2 in stock, release is for Sunday apparently... asking manager if he can sell me one... one is for demo... CMON!!!..... holding..... CMON manager, please don't be uptight.... hopefully the manger is in a good mood.... otherwise many other Best Buys to check here, others have two in stock, some don't......... He's selling it! Yes.... Going to car now!!! Wooo hoooo!!!

Talk soon!!

Chris
post #71 of 302
AndrewP,

got it.

In any case...

those arguements have already been exhausted. Obviously anyone interested in getting the Sammy has already satisfied themselves that they want one regardless of the expense.

I don't think there's a single shopper visiting here at AVS that isn't fullly aware of the price of the Toshiba HD DVD player, the Sammy BD player, and the title selections each format provides.
post #72 of 302
Health Nut,

I am *so coming to visit*.

Hey, I've got a friend's HD DVD player I might be able to bring along for some cool HD fun...

:D
post #73 of 302
Toy Fest!!!!
post #74 of 302
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Originally Posted by Andrew P
Dave,
I think his point was that for the price of 1 BD player you can pickup 1 HD DVD player with 17 plus movies.
BD hasn't even launched yet. People are just getting players before they are even scheduled for release. HD-DVD launched with a total of 3 titles and has now been around for 2 months. BD is launching with at least 5 titles.

As Dave has already mentioned, people know the price of the Samsung player. They made a choice. The price was not a factor to pick it up.
post #75 of 302
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Originally Posted by Andrew P
Dave,
I think his point was that for the price of 1 BD player you can pickup 1 HD DVD player with 17 plus movies.

Yep, that is a major hurdle that Blu-Ray will have to deal with.
post #76 of 302
Seriously, if you give a **** about price, you're participating on the wrong forum. None of us care, that is the point. We like new toys.
post #77 of 302
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Originally Posted by Steve Wright
BD hasn't even launched yet. People are just getting players before they are even scheduled for release. HD-DVD launched with a total of 3 titles and has now been around for 2 months. BD is launching with at least 5 titles.

As Dave has already mentioned, people know the price of the Samsung player. They made a choice. The price was not a factor to pick it up.
Agreed, but I was giving my thoughts on the original posters reasoning. Price is not a factor for those of us on this board, but I want one HD format to survive so I am thinking big picture.
post #78 of 302
Sorry, but anyone buying an HD DVD player or Blu-ray player based on TODAY's movie releases needs a serious 'perspective' check.
post #79 of 302
Healthnut,

around tonight? I have no plans!!!

:D :D :D
post #80 of 302
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Agreed, but I was giving my thoughts on the original posters reasoning. Price is not a factor for those of us on this board, but I want one HD format to survive so I am thinking big picture.
As valid as your thoughts on these matters may be,

in the context of *this* thread,

that's tantamount to thread-farting.

Let's leave the same-ole worn-out HD DVD/BD debates to other threads, shall we?
post #81 of 302
You are lucky. I just called both Best Buys by me, and they said they aren't expecting the BR player until the beginning of July. Even the place I preordered it from, Ultimate Electronics, said the same thing.

However, Phansoon, please tell me that you can destroy the rumors about the BR movies not having special features on them, ESPECIALLY Fifth Element.
post #82 of 302
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
At least let us know about its DVD upconversion while you wait for BD titles!

And tell us about your HD display as well. Going HDMI?

thanks!!!

dave :)
Dave isn't it time to change that "1080p dreamer" thing.

Art
post #83 of 302
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Originally Posted by Rob Zuber
I dread the picture comparison stories that will be written. Both technologies will offer great PQ. There are so many variables that go into PQ, plus a subjective interpretation, that I have little interest in the comparison.

I'm interested in the more objectively measured parameters: price, movie selection, machine stability, machine speed, etc.
Pretty much only way to do it is same title same display both formats and even then ........... :D

As en example on my system U571 looked incredibly similar on DTheater and HDDVD. I think having a lot more HD to choose from is great no matter what. :)

Art
post #84 of 302
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Originally Posted by overcast
Seriously, if you give a **** about price, you're participating on the wrong forum. None of us care, that is the point. We like new toys.
Within reason. I have an A1, and will probably at some point pick up a BD player, but $1,000 is quite steep for a player that has a 50% chance of failing. The same is said of HD DVD, but at $500, I was much more willing to hedge my bets.

Regardless, I'm not doing anything until Sony releases their player. I've really not had favorable experiences with Samsung.
post #85 of 302
let's not forget : doing the comparo blind
post #86 of 302
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Originally Posted by overcast
Seriously, if you give a **** about price, you're participating on the wrong forum. None of us care, that is the point. We like new toys.
That attitude is going to be the death of the format.

Unlike us, NEARLY EVERYONE ELSE, does give a **** about price. Unless you want Blu-Ray to die a quick death and you end up with a $1000 paperweight, you better change your thinking.
post #87 of 302
The market will determine price. Right now, enthusiasts are the ones who are going to be buying into either format. If the player is available, you will see as many posts on this board from Blu-Ray owners as HD-DVD. Personally, I am waiting for the Sony player. It looked a little more elegant than the Samsung player and may benefit from some more time to market. Until then, I want to hear all the positives and negatives of both formats.
post #88 of 302
Hopefully at some point we can get back to the original point of this thread :)
post #89 of 302
Greetings

It's a first adopter thing ... same happened with DVD and HDTV ...

Price drops will come with time ... that part is a given.

Regards
post #90 of 302
i was just in the BB in midtown manhattan; the sales guy said they received only one and it was for a demo but that they would get more on the 25th (I don't believe the guy; from what I've been reading, it is likely they got 2, one is for demo and the other he just didn't want to deal with me trying to buy it or it is already spoken for).

it is starting to look like BBs each received only 2 players...any reports of BBs receiving a larger allocation? i'll have to visit some BBs on Long Island where it is much more likely that I will be able to find one in stock.
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