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post #61 of 1912
And I am 50 and loving it.
post #62 of 1912
You guys are lucky. Best Buy In Manassas VA had two Samsung's BDP-1000 and they screwed me over by not letting me purchase one. One of their employees got the player for me and I took it to the register. As the cashier was about to scan it a Manager came and said sorry we can't sell this to you we do not have them in the system. I told him that BB in Tysons and Sterling VA are selling them and he said well those stores are going to get sued by Samsung for selling them too early and he took the player (BDP-1000) back to the top of the shelf.. What a bunch of BS if the stuff is out there I should have every right to buy it. BB just lost a 1000 dollar sale over some BS! They said that can sell them on Tues 6/20. I said how do I know you will even have any on Tuesday and he said that they will have plenty, so I just left the store after that and said f this snit@!
post #63 of 1912
I have the video hooked up hdmi from player to hdmi on tv. I have audio coaxial from dvd player to harman kardon avr310. Dvd audio set-up to bitstream.

When I hit play, I get a block message on my screen for about 10 seconds indicating the tv does not support multi-audio signal.

I still get 5.1 from my avr 310.

Any other set-up changes I need to do? Could not find any on the manual.

Thanks,

Ian B
post #64 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

Amir's impressions (as reported) were that the upscaling of SD material was visibly softer than the Tosh unit. It would be great if someone could directly compare!

Amir DID directly compare, didn't he?

About a decade ago, when ISF calibration started to become available, the big name calibratators were saying that people perceived a properly calibrated set as "soft", when it fact it was showing more detail that was lost due to the torch settings, SVM, etc.

So, when people use the term "soft" I get suspicious. Film is supposed to look soft. The dreaded EE is artificial sharpness.

Gary
post #65 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by DVDO+WESTY=1080p View Post

You guys are lucky. Best Buy In Manassas VA had two Samsung's BDP-1000 and they screwed me over by not letting me purchase one. One of their employees got the player for me and I took it to the register. As the cashier was about to scan it a Manager came and said sorry we can't sell this to you we do not have them in the system. I told him that BB in Tysons and Sterling VA are selling them and he said well those stores are going to get sued by Samsung for selling them too early and he took the player (BDP-1000) back to the top of the shelf.. What a bunch of BS if the stuff is out there I should have every right to buy it. BB just lost a 1000 dollar sale over some BS! They said that can sell them on Tues 6/20. I said how do I know you will even have any on Tuesday and he said that they will have plenty, so I just left the store after that and said f this snit@!

There is an official release date. Best Buy is suppose to display it starting on 6/18, this Sunday, and start selling on 6/25, the official street date. They won't get sued, but it was in the employee memo not to sell it until 6/25. Learn the facts before you call B.S., thank you.
post #66 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Ian B View Post

I have the video hooked up hdmi from player to hdmi on tv. I have audio coaxial from dvd player to harman kardon avr310. Dvd audio set-up to bitstream.

When I hit play, I get a block message on my screen for about 10 seconds indicating the tv does not support multi-audio signal.

I still get 5.1 from my avr 310.

Any other set-up changes I need to do? Could not find any on the manual.

Thanks,

Ian B

The reason why you are getting that messsage is because your television does not support Dolby Digital or DTS decoding. For this reason, the Samsung is telling you that you can't use bitstream for the HDMI (as the television won't decode the audio signal). Your receiver, on the other hand will, so it is not an issue.

The UI on the Samsung is just not well designed. They should have really seperated the HDMI and the digital audio connections in terms of settings, rather than having one master setting (which causes confusion).
post #67 of 1912
And anyone have HDCP issues? The BDP-1000 workes fine on the TH-42PX50U I have, but once I connect it to my Optoma H78, I can't resolve an image at all. The projector just says:

DVI RGB
Searching

and never progresses. If I plug the cable back into the cable box, OPDV971H, Toshiba HD-A1, it works without issue. But the BDP-1000 just won't resolve a picture.

The resolution is set to 720p, and I am using HDMI, as indicated by the light on the front panel.
post #68 of 1912
Hi folks

A big question from the europeans - will the samsung play PAL sd dvds. Because hd-dvd can't.

It would be superb if it could.

thanks!
post #69 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The reason why you are getting that messsage is because your television does not support Dolby Digital or DTS decoding. For this reason, the Samsung is telling you that you can't use bitstream for the HDMI (as the television won't decode the audio signal). Your receiver, on the other hand will, so it is not an issue.

The UI on the Samsung is just not well designed. They should have really seperated the HDMI and the digital audio connections in terms of settings, rather than having one master setting (which causes confusion).

your post made me remember that i am going to have an issue with the samsung player, i.e., i don't have hdmi inputs on my receiver so the only way i can get to the LPCM lossless audio is using the analog outputs.

i know people have torn these players apart, how are the DACs on this Samsung unit?
post #70 of 1912
I had posted this on another thread, but believe it belongs here...

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I have been putting my Samsung through the paces as well with an intention of putting out a review after I have seen a few more BD films. Lucily I was able to get both 5th Element and Terminator for a first glance.

Since the questions on start-up times have been addressed (on another thread). Here are some other observations I have made so far:

1. I have now connected using both HDMI and Component. There were no errors when connecting via HDMI but using component on my Panny 50 inch plasma the colors were off. The exact same component connection with same cables work perfectly with the XA-1, but the reds are completely off on my Sammy. So all my tests so far have been using HDMI.

2. I used three different SD DVDs, Mask of Zorro, Lawrence of Arabia and Das Boot. Output at 480p was very good and (unlike others who have reported that the Sammy is softer than their Tosh) I thought perhaps a tad sharper than my XA-1.

3. Upconversion to 1080i was also very good. I tried to switch back and forth between my XA-1 and the Samsung to compare, but I have to declare this department a tie. I was very impressed with the Samsung, moreso because in the past I have bought some of the worst DVD players (inlcluding one upconverting one) from Samsung. The performance of the Samsung (IMHO) was as good as anything.

4. The digital audio is the same for both (I could not tell any difference on DTS and DD disks), although I did feel that the Sammy was a little softer. The analog 5.1 on the XA-1 definitely sounds better. I am not an audiophile (an audio pile as my wife says) so I can't explain this.

So, if I had to choose between the XA-1 and the Samsung as the primary device for SD DVD, I believe the slight edge would go to the Samsung because of the faster load times and slightly sharper 480p performance (JMHO). On the other hand, if you are willing to sacrifice some video performance for better audio then the Tosh may be your choice. In general, I found both products to have very good performance but I was surprised that the Tosh analog 5.1 sounded the best (especially since I have read several complaints about the Tosh audio on this forum).

Now, I have not seen enough BD movies to determine how the players compare. I'll wait for more disks. But so far my quick observations are:

1. The BD 5th Element as has been pointed out numerous times is only slightly better than an upconverted DVD disk. Sounds crazy, but true!

2. The Terminator is very good. I believe not as spectacular for PQ as COR or Serenity, but still awesome. The audio track on this sounds great. IMHO the PQ was very close to the best HD DVD I have seen. However, based on the two disks I have reviewed so far, HD DVD seems to have more colors or there is some processing that makes it have more of a 3-D effect. Again I am not a videophile, but a video pile so I'll look for more technical expertise elsewhere. OTOH, the more subdued colors make Terminator look more 'film-like' than even Serenity.

3. So far, my first impressions (which validates what I had assumed) are that HD DVD looks more refined in general. I am not sure if the color issue is player or format related. The same applies to audio. Since digital co-ax sounds the same for both formats, I am not sure if the analog difference is format or player related.

I did not find any major problems or gliches with the Samsung (apart from component not working for me) and the overall performance so far has been excellent.

The other question that is often raised in about build quality. Here is one area where there is no contest. The Toshiba XA-1 wins hands-down. This is like comparing the body and chassis of a BMW with a Honda Civic. I can see some preferring the slimmer and lighter Samsung over the XA-1, but the materials and the feel of the XA-1 (IMHO) is spectacular.

So, do I think the Samsung is worth it? My answer is that if your purpose is to expand your HD viewing options, absolutely! However, if you want the best HD viewing experience that you can get today, then the XA-1 is still the way to go. You get better performance (so far based on only 2 movies and therefore likely to change when the better BD movies becomes available) because of the format (HD DVD v. BD). However, if you are a BD fan and want to support only that format, the Samsung is a very good product. Much better than any Samsung I have ever owned. However, if you want only one player then waiting for the Sony or Pioneer could be a valid option. Since I have an XA-1 I was looking for a cost effective way to add BD to the mix.


I am looking forward to seeing more BD movies and then updating this observation. I felt the Samsung was a much better upconverting DVD player than I had initially expected. So it could be the same for BD....
post #71 of 1912
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

Amir's impressions (as reported) were that the upscaling of SD material was visibly softer than the Tosh unit. It would be great if someone could directly compare!


Dave, see my first impressions post. In my direct comparison I felt both the XA-1 and Samsung performed at the same level for upscaling. No noticeable difference on my display at least.
post #72 of 1912
Thanks to the consumers posting reviews of their players in this thread - faults, issues, performance, the whole caboodle. When you guys get hold of some BD discs please be sure to report your impressions.
post #73 of 1912
A few comments about my upconversion test of Sammy against Toshiba.

The difference between these two sets is not great enough to easily tell from memory. Playing a movie on one and then the other will be challenging as far as telling which is better. After all, both are working from pretty low-res SD sources, upsampling nearly 6X.

I did not have enough time to do full tests. Sspears is doing that (and so far, based on his early tests, he is less happy with the Sammy than I was!). Anyway, pausing does not work because of field vs frame freeze. So we did a simple test. We put in a DVD that had fine text/graphics as its start-up menu. We then let both players get to that point and sit there (we had two of the same title). We then compared the two units using two HDMI inputs on the Sony Qualia 1080 LCD. The Sammy was softer but we noticed that the Sony LCD has different set up for each HDMI input as the colors were not the same. If sharpness was set up different for the two inputs, that would nullify the test. This being a Japanese set, with Japanese menus, it is a pain to navigate the menus. So fixing the setup was not a practical option.

So we did the test the old fashion way. We got someone to sit behind the sets and switch from one player to the other on the same HDMI input on the Sony. Here, it was clear that the Sammy's interpolator is softer. The Toshiba was sharper, without a hint of ringing or over-sharpening. It simply had a cleaner, more defined look.

Mind you, we are still talking about rather horrible pictures compared to HD (those who think SD and HD should come and see this demo ). Both sets were soft, very soft in grand scheme of things on above material (i.e. text and graphics). But relative to each other, the Sammy, in 1080i upsampling mode, loses to Toshiba.

Plazman, do you happen to have two of the same SD DVD? If not, it would be great to go and buy one with the above characteristics and give it a try. Also let us know the resolution of your display. Ours was 1920x1080 so it could resolve everything that could be there.

And per my hint above, sspears is doing more scientific testing and I am sure will report back soon
post #74 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by amirm View Post

A few comments about my upconversion test of Sammy against Toshiba.

The difference between these two sets is not great enough to easily tell from memory. Playing a movie on one and then the other will be challenging as far as telling which is better. After all, both are working from pretty low-res SD sources, upsampling nearly 6X.

I did not have enough time to do full tests. Sspears is doing that (and so far, based on his early tests, he is less happy with the Sammy than I was!). Anyway, pausing does not work because of field vs frame freeze. So we did a simple test. We put in a DVD that had fine text/graphics as its start-up menu. We then let both players get to that point and sit there (we had two of the same title). We then compared the two units using two HDMI inputs on the Sony Qualia 1080 LCD. The Sammy was softer but we noticed that the Sony LCD has different set up for each HDMI input as the colors were not the same. If sharpness was set up different for the two inputs, that would nullify the test. This being a Japanese set, with Japanese menus, it is a pain to navigate the menus. So fixing the setup was not a practical option.

So we did the test the old fashion way. We got someone to sit behind the sets and switch from one player to the other on the same HDMI input on the Sony. Here, it was clear that the Sammy's interpolator is softer. The Toshiba was sharper, without a hint of ringing or over-sharpening. It simply had a cleaner, more defined look.

Mind you, we are still talking about rather horrible pictures compared to HD (those who think SD and HD should come and see this demo ). Both sets were soft, very soft in grand scheme of things on above material (i.e. text and graphics). But relative to each other, the Sammy, in 1080i upsampling mode, loses to Toshiba.

Plazman, do you happen to have two of the same SD DVD? If not, it would be great to go and buy one with the above characteristics and give it a try. Also let us know the resolution of your display. Ours was 1920x1080 so it could resolve everything that could be there.

And per my hint above, sspears is doing more scientific testing and I am sure will report back soon

My display is 1365 X 768 (Panasonic 8UK plasma). I didn't try a A-B with the same titles on both at the same time. I was switching the disks back and forth.

I'm looking forward to more BD disks, since the difference seems much more significant there!
post #75 of 1912
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

And anyone have HDCP issues? The BDP-1000 workes fine on the TH-42PX50U I have, but once I connect it to my Optoma H78, I can't resolve an image at all. The projector just says:

DVI RGB
Searching

and never progresses. If I plug the cable back into the cable box, OPDV971H, Toshiba HD-A1, it works without issue. But the BDP-1000 just won't resolve a picture.

The resolution is set to 720p, and I am using HDMI, as indicated by the light on the front panel.

Try 1080i...or better yet 1080p....which the Optoma h-78/79 accept via digital connection from a PC.
post #76 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The reason why you are getting that messsage is because your television does not support Dolby Digital or DTS decoding. For this reason, the Samsung is telling you that you can't use bitstream for the HDMI (as the television won't decode the audio signal). Your receiver, on the other hand will, so it is not an issue.

The UI on the Samsung is just not well designed. They should have really seperated the HDMI and the digital audio connections in terms of settings, rather than having one master setting (which causes confusion).

Thanks for the info. The block message displays for about 5-10 seconds and then it disappears and the receiver takes over and decodes the 5.1 audio. So far, I have watched most of Batman Begins and it looks good at times, not during the initial scenes. I am about to watch the movie on my Toshiba HD-A1 to compare and then post some results.

Ian B
post #77 of 1912
Received my Samsung via Fedex this morning!

First impressions:
The Samsung is a beautiful piece. I love the piano black look, combined with the silver.
Don't have any BD's to play yet, so I popped in my SD DVD of SUPERMAN, a transfer I'm familiar with. I'm using component for the time being, so no upconversion, but this is the best 480p picture I've probably ever seen on my television. Very crisp, very nice black levels, saturated color. Sound is very nice and suitably bombastic when it needs to be the through coax digital. The remote is much more responsive than the Toshiba, and the load time seemed a lot faster to me, as well.
Can't wait to get some BD's to play on this baby!
post #78 of 1912
his criticisms are with the player
post #79 of 1912
Kevin, Amir is just giving his impressions of the Samsung. Just as with the Toshiba thread, all opinions should be allowed, even from insiders.
post #80 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Sutliff View Post

Received my Samsung via Fedex this morning!

First impressions:
The Samsung is a beautiful piece. I love the piano black look, combined with the silver.
Don't have any BD's to play yet, so I popped in my SD DVD of SUPERMAN, a transfer I'm familiar with. I'm using component for the time being, so no upconversion, but this is the best 480p picture I've probably ever seen on my television. Very crisp, very nice black levels, saturated color. Sound is very nice and suitably bombastic when it needs to be the through coax digital. The remote is much more responsive than the Toshiba, and the load time seemed a lot faster to me, as well.
Can't wait to get some BD's to play on this baby!

Yes. This jives with my impressions as well

Excellent all round performance so far with SD DVD content - whether at 480p or upconverted to 1080i.

However, it's interesting that you find the aesthetics and build superior to the Tosh. I guess that's why they say aesthetics is subjective
post #81 of 1912
I just like that black laquered look for some reason! The main thing is performance, of course.
post #82 of 1912
So does BB even have a display up yet or is it just the boxes on the shelf?

I am curious to see how they display BR as compared to HD DVD.
post #83 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earz View Post

Try 1080i...or better yet 1080p....which the Optoma h-78/79 accept via digital connection from a PC.

I blindly changed the video resolutions, and each resolution (480p->1080i) would not resolve a picture. I tried DVI YCbCr as well just in case there was some crazy synching error, but that did not help.

I will be spending the day moving the unit back and forth between the Panasonic and Optoma to see what the error could be (and it is times like this that I wish the power cord was detachable).
post #84 of 1912
Blu-Ray displays are suppose to be up starting on sunday in BB. It is suppose to be on an end-cap for the home theater department.

A couple questions, since blu-ray uses mpeg2 and hd-dvd uses mpeg4, the same movie would take up less space on the hd-dvd instead? Also how are both formats recorded? I been getting conflicting information, I thought blu-ray are all encoded in 1080p while hd-dvd is encoded in 1080i and later units could output 1080p be de-interlacing.

Also, could everyone post what display they're using for the new Blu-Ray. I wonder if that makes a difference as plasmas are not 1080p yet, but some DLP are 1080p and can accept 1080p.
post #85 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kampfer View Post

Blu-Ray displays are suppose to be up starting on sunday in BB. It is suppose to be on an end-cap for the home theater department.

A couple questions, since blu-ray uses mpeg2 and hd-dvd uses mpeg4, the same movie would take up less space on the hd-dvd instead? Also how are both formats recorded? I been getting conflicting information, I thought blu-ray are all encoded in 1080p while hd-dvd is encoded in 1080i and later units could output 1080p be de-interlacing.

Also, could everyone post what display they're using for the new Blu-Ray. I wonder if that makes a difference as plasmas are not 1080p yet, but some DLP are 1080p and can accept 1080p.

HD DVD are encoded at 1080p24 using VC1.
post #86 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kampfer View Post

There is an official release date. Best Buy is suppose to display it starting on 6/18, this Sunday, and start selling on 6/25, the official street date. They won't get sued, but it was in the employee memo not to sell it until 6/25. Learn the facts before you call B.S., thank you.

How were others including in this forum were able to purchase their blu-ray players before the street date and why did the best buy manager tell me that I could buy it on Tuesday 6/20 which is also before the street date?

Those are two facts to think about...
post #87 of 1912
I have my Samsung but cannot get it to output digital coax while hooked up with the HDMI cable to my TV. What gives? Does the HDMI output disable the regular digital coax DD and DTS bitstream output? Help!

Rafael
post #88 of 1912
One more observation:

The Samsung doesn't pass BTB via component on my display when using DIGITAL VIDEO ESSENTIALS. I would be curious to see what others say about this.
post #89 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by DVDO+WESTY=1080p View Post

How were others including in this forum were able to purchase their blu-ray players before the street date and why did the best buy manager tell me that I could buy it on Tuesday 6/20 which is also before the street date?

Those are two facts to think about...


Obviously wasn't being enforced very well
post #90 of 1912
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfgmdporsc View Post

I have my Samsung but cannot get it to output digital coax while hooked up with the HDMI cable to my TV. What gives? Does the HDMI output disable the regular digital coax DD and DTS bitstream output? Help!

Rafael

Try changing the HDMI setting from TV to Monitor.
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