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post #1171 of 9376
8/14/06 at 11:17am
Longshot, How close do you sit to the 65 inch screen? Does the back of the set appear that it would sit in a corner well? Thanks
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post #1172 of 9376
8/14/06 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by kenking View Post

Say longshot, was curious about your viewing environment. Is it well lit or fairly dark? Because in my experience, the most noticeable difference these black level techniques make is when viewing in a totally darkened room (a non-enhanced tv will show gray-shade rather than inky-black in the shadowy-unlit scene parts)

Kenking,

It was my family room. I had the lights off but it was not totally black. There was some ambient light from the kitchen. As a comparison I went downstairs to my dedicated theater room that is completely light controlled. I turned TPOTC on my Sim2 300e projecting onto a 100" screen. It looked good (the Sim2 is 720p) but simply lacked the detail and crispness of the 731.
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post #1173 of 9376
8/14/06 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by CHAS ZOSS View Post

Longshot, How close do you sit to the 65 inch screen? Does the back of the set appear that it would sit in a corner well? Thanks

CHAS,

I'm exactly 10' away from the screen. The set is much to big to go into a corner IMO. I'll post some pictures of my setup later.
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post #1174 of 9376
8/14/06 at 11:40am
I got some updated info today on timeframes. One of the high end stores in No. VA, The Big Screen TV Store, found out that the 732's went into production today (actually being built in the plant today) and will ship tomorrow with an ETA of 7-10 days. They were told the 831s will not begin production until the end of August so he predicted around 9/10 for arrival in the store. With the 731's this particular store got them about 2-3 weeks before Best Buy so it might be the same with the 732s (meaning BB might not get them 'till the 1st or 2nd week in September). I'm not a BB fan personally but they've so far offered me the lowest price on the 65731 so I'm hoping they'll do the the same on the 732.

One interesting tidbit from The Big Screen TV store. The manager told me that only the high end stores will get the 831s (like themselves and Tweeters). He said they'll be ordering 500 plus units with the plan to price their 831s at or near 732 prices in order to compete with the BB's of the world on price. However, if they're simply dropping from $4199 MSRP to the 65732 MSRP of $3699......but BB and others will sell the 65732 much cheaper than that.....have they really accomplished their goal? Anyway....just sharing what I've learned today.
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post #1175 of 9376
8/14/06 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by igorick View Post

I got some updated info today on timeframes. One of the high end stores in No. VA, The Big Screen TV Store, found out that the 732's went into production today (actually being built in the plant today) and will ship tomorrow with an ETA of 7-10 days. They were told the 831s will not begin production until the end of August so he predicted around 9/10 for arrival in the store. With the 731's this particular store got them about 2-3 weeks before Best Buy so it might be the same with the 732s (meaning BB might not get them 'till the 1st or 2nd week in September). I'm not a BB fan personally but they've so far offered me the lowest price on the 65731 so I'm hoping they'll do the the same on the 732.

One interesting tidbit from The Big Screen TV store. The manager told me that only the high end stores will get the 831s (like themselves and Tweeters). He said they'll be ordering 500 plus units with the plan to price their 831s at or near 732 prices in order to compete with the BB's of the world on price. However, if they're simply dropping from $4199 MSRP to the 65732 MSRP of $3699......but BB and others will sell the 65732 much cheaper than that.....have they really accomplished their goal? Anyway....just sharing what I've learned today.

This jives with what tenguru mentioned in this thread earlier about the MSRP of the 831 coming in around $3799. Of course I have not seen the 831 but it will be very difficult to resist at that price.
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post #1176 of 9376
8/14/06 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by igorick View Post

I got some updated info today on timeframes. One of the high end stores in No. VA, The Big Screen TV Store, found out that the 732's went into production today (actually being built in the plant today) and will ship tomorrow with an ETA of 7-10 days. They were told the 831s will not begin production until the end of August so he predicted around 9/10 for arrival in the store. With the 731's this particular store got them about 2-3 weeks before Best Buy so it might be the same with the 732s (meaning BB might not get them 'till the 1st or 2nd week in September). I'm not a BB fan personally but they've so far offered me the lowest price on the 65731 so I'm hoping they'll do the the same on the 732.

One interesting tidbit from The Big Screen TV store. The manager told me that only the high end stores will get the 831s (like themselves and Tweeters). He said they'll be ordering 500 plus units with the plan to price their 831s at or near 732 prices in order to compete with the BB's of the world on price. However, if they're simply dropping from $4199 MSRP to the 65732 MSRP of $3699......but BB and others will sell the 65732 much cheaper than that.....have they really accomplished their goal? Anyway....just sharing what I've learned today.

Thanks igorick for the info.... I'm willing to buy the 732 sight unseen knowing how good the 731 is...provided it's only 200 - 300 more than the 731..I wan a 57732!!

If BB gets the 732..then it's their Magnolia stores that will have them and magnolia usually list their TV at MSRP prices only. making it difficult to bargain/purchase.
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post #1177 of 9376
8/14/06 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

Thanks igorick for the info.... I'm willing to buy the 732 sight unseen knowing how good the 731 is...provided it's only 200 - 300 more than the 731..I wan a 57732!!

If BB gets the 732..then it's their Magnolia stores that will have them and magnolia usually list their TV at MSRP prices only. making it difficult to bargain/purchase.

I'm in the exact same boat. I have my best negotiated price on the 65731 in hand and only want to pay $200 more than that for the 65732. I think we'll be able to get there in time....just don't if it will happen when they first come out. But that's when I get into the start of football season vs getting the right price trade-off! Decisions.......
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post #1178 of 9376
8/14/06 at 11:56am
Question about the DVI input on this TV.

I am going to buy a cable to hook up to 8300HD box (TWC), but I want to know If I will get a better picture with an HDMI-HDMI cable vs an HDMI-DVI cable. From what I read on here, there may be problems with the DVI input.

Anyone know if an HDMI-DVI cable will get me as good of picture quality as the HDMI-HDMI cable?
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post #1179 of 9376
8/14/06 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

Question about the DVI input on this TV.

I am going to buy a cable to hook up to 8300HD box (TWC), but I want to know If I will get a better picture with an HDMI-HDMI cable vs an HDMI-DVI cable. From what I read on here, there may be problems with the DVI input.

Anyone know if an HDMI-DVI cable will get me as good of picture quality as the HDMI-HDMI cable?

I think DVI input is for computer only. HDMI from my Comcast DVR to HDMI in on the 731 works just fine. The HD programming is outstanding. See my above comments on Showtime HD. The standard def is for the most part pretty bad. But hey, I didn't buy a 65" HDTV to watch standard def.
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post #1180 of 9376
8/14/06 at 12:03pm
I bought the TV. Got a great deal (since I am an employee). I'm very happy. I wish I would have waited for the WD-65732, but I'm really needing a TV. If it comes out within 30 days, and I can get as good of a deal, I'll bite, otherwise, this TV is mine!

Anyone have any settings they would like to share?? Maybe we should start a thread for settings/tweaks?

Do most owners leave it on brilliant, with the color temp set to high or low? what about the perfect color? play with that?
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post #1181 of 9376
8/14/06 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

I think DVI input is for computer only. HDMI from my Comcast DVR to HDMI in on the 731 works just fine. The HD programming is outstanding. See my above comments on Showtime HD. The standard def is for the most part pretty bad. But hey, I didn't buy a 65" HDTV to watch standard def.


I am hoping that running a splitter before the box, and switching inputs to watch SD and analog TV, I will get better reception. Who knows.
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post #1182 of 9376
8/14/06 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

I bought the TV. Got a great deal. I'm very happy. I wish I would have waited for the WD-65732, but I'm really needing a TV. If it comes out within 30 days, and I can get as good of a deal, I'll bite, otherwise, this TV is mine!

Anyone have any settings they would like to share?? Maybe we should start a thread for settings/tweaks?

Do most owners leave it on brilliant, with the color temp set to high or low? what about the perfect color? play with that?

Congrats on your new Tv. You will love it. Just feed this baby a good source and it will humm. With the money you saved buy the Toshiba HD A1 and you will be set.

I'll check my settings tonight and let you know. Do not use brilliant unless you are seated like 20' away. Go with normal and color temp of low. I did not touch perfect color.
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post #1183 of 9376
8/14/06 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

I am hoping that running a splitter before the box, and switching inputs to watch SD and analog TV, I will get better reception. Who knows.

Let us know how it works, my dad has an 4 year old Philips which the SD is really really terrible. I am talking a lot of snow, you really cant watch them. I would like to improve them a little for him if possible.


Back to my point....

The problem with SD channels on the 731 isn't that bad is it?


Thanks
Jim
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post #1184 of 9376
8/14/06 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

I watched Passion of the Christ last night on Showtime HD on the 65731. My goodness. It was absolutely stunning. Having seen this film once I was really not intending to watch it again but the 731 just pulled me in with amazing detail and clarity. This film is an excellent test for dark levels and detail especially the opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane. The smoke or mist had a three dimensional look and shadow detail was pretty darn good. Other scenes such as the crucifixion was so lifelike it was very difficult to watch.

I don't know how much the dark detailer will improve upon the 731 but I'm extremely pleased with this set. I was all set to trade mine in for the 831 (sight unseen) but I will at least wait and compare the two before making a decision.


thats funny cause I watched that movie last night only because it looked so amazing ....probably the most impressive thing i have seen so far. it made his hideous wounds look even worse.
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post #1185 of 9376
8/14/06 at 12:58pm
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The problem with SD channels on the 731 isn't that bad is it?
Jim

IMO yes it is. I have Comcast and all movie channels that are not HD are terrible. Same with CNN, Fox, MSNBC. The DVDO VP 30 is supposed to really improve pq on standard def but I'm not willing to drop another $2,000 to get better standard def.
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post #1186 of 9376
8/14/06 at 1:12pm
One of the major reasons I bought the Mits over the samsung was how it handled the SD picture quality. I thought that with samsung's DNIe off, (which is how most users suggest) the Mits handled SD better. Even more amazing, was when I changed the output resolution of the box, down to 420p, it looked better. Nothing amazing, but better.
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post #1187 of 9376
8/14/06 at 1:29pm
I appreciate your honest opinions on the SD PQ, at least now I know what to expect when I get mine. I still have to save up the money and start negotiations to get a good price...

Thanks
Jim
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post #1188 of 9376
8/14/06 at 1:44pm
SD PQ is a problem on all RPTV sets not just the 731. Again this is a non issue for me. What the Mits does do well is shine with HD content. Mix in the features and price and it is a class leader IMO.
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post #1189 of 9376
8/14/06 at 2:17pm
Got a call from the store I preordered my WD-65831 from and they said the set would be in Tomorrow, Aug 15th. She said they would be calling me to set up delivery. Very interesting. I hope they are right!!!
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post #1190 of 9376
8/14/06 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by fitterguy73 View Post

Got a call from the store I preordered my WD-65831 from and they said the set would be in Tomorrow, Aug 15th. She said they would be calling me to set up delivery. Very interesting. I hope they are right!!!


That is AWESOME, congrats...

OK, Now I have to start working some OT so I can get one of these before Football season ends... AARRGGGHHH!!!

Jim
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post #1191 of 9376
8/14/06 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by fitterguy73 View Post

Got a call from the store I preordered my WD-65831 from and they said the set would be in Tomorrow, Aug 15th. She said they would be calling me to set up delivery. Very interesting. I hope they are right!!!

Fitterguy,

Who did you buy from? This goes against several posters here who have talked to Mist dealers and are claiming Sept. 10th delivery. One poster (teachsac) is a dealer and he has no idea. Another poster talked to an authorized Mits dealer and said the 831's aren't even in production yet! Are you also aware there is talk the MSRP on the 65831 will be dropped by $400-$500?

I'll laugh out loud if they tell you delivery will be the 1st week of September!
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post #1192 of 9376
8/14/06 at 2:53pm
I received an e-mail from Gregg Loewen at Lion Audio Video Consultants, Inc. today because I was inquiring about what DLP RPTV he would recommended between the HP Pavilion 6580n, the Samsung HL-S6187, and the Mitsubishi WD-65731. Between the HP and the Samsung, he said he would go Samsung because it offered more flexibility in terms of calibration. What surprised me, was that he said, "Historically, I am not a big fan of Mits dlps. They are very poorly sealed and need to be opened up every 6 months for a good cleaning of the optics".

Does anyone know if the new Mitsubishi 731 series has a better seal than their previous DLPs?
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post #1193 of 9376
8/14/06 at 3:13pm
OK, so I just called over to my local Tweeter and they have the 52631 on display. They appear to be 2-3 weeks out on the 732 series. I'm trying to get straight what the differences are on all these models. Can anyone give me a definitive answer on the differences between the 631 and 731 series?

I know the 732 adds a couple things beyond the 731, but all I've seen on 631 vs. 731 so far is that the 631 has a 52" screen model and the 731 doesn't.

I will probably take a trip over there tonight, but hopefully will get an answer here first so I know what I am missing out on with the 631.

My local BB has the 65731 on display, but no A2000 to compare it to. Tweeter has a better layout for direct comparisons anyway.
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post #1194 of 9376
8/14/06 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

I received an e-mail from Gregg Loewen at Lion Audio Video Consultants, Inc. today because I was inquiring about what DLP RPTV he would recommended between the HP Pavilion 6580n, the Samsung HL-S6187, and the Mitsubishi WD-65731. Between the HP and the Samsung, he said he would go Samsung because it offered more flexibility in terms of calibration. What surprised me, was that he said, "Historically, I am not a big fan of Mits dlps. They are very poorly sealed and need to be opened up every 6 months for a good cleaning of the optics".

Does anyone know if the new Mitsubishi 731 series has a better seal than their previous DLPs?

I thought they were all made by Texas Instruments. So wouldnt all the DLP light engines hve the same problems.>?
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post #1195 of 9376
8/14/06 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

My space constraints only allows me to go up to the Sony 55A2000, the 57" won't fit so that's why i'm looking at the 52". I'm getting nervous about the continuing saga of the green haze on the Sony. Saw the Mits, both the 631 and 731 and they looked better than the Sony for that particular feed. I hate the Sammy and the Mits is 12 bit which i feel makes the difference between the two. Another big plus for the Mits is the DVI/PC connection, i plan on using the display as an HTPC. I guess the main question is how much difference the "Dark Detailer" makes.

you should be nervous. Do a search in the forum on green haze issue and you will be overwelmed.
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post #1196 of 9376
8/14/06 at 4:41pm
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I thought they were all made by Texas Instruments. So wouldnt all the DLP light engines hve the same problems.>?

TI makes the chip not the light engines.
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post #1197 of 9376
8/14/06 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

I received an e-mail from Gregg Loewen at Lion Audio Video Consultants, Inc. today because I was inquiring about what DLP RPTV he would recommended between the HP Pavilion 6580n, the Samsung HL-S6187, and the Mitsubishi WD-65731. Between the HP and the Samsung, he said he would go Samsung because it offered more flexibility in terms of calibration. What surprised me, was that he said, "Historically, I am not a big fan of Mits dlps. They are very poorly sealed and need to be opened up every 6 months for a good cleaning of the optics".

Does anyone know if the new Mitsubishi 731 series has a better seal than their previous DLPs?

Can I go get some sealant from home depot and do this myself?
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post #1198 of 9376
8/14/06 at 5:03pm
Just came back from BB and the salesman looked up his system and see that they do have the 65732...not sure when it'll arrive... BUT there was no signs of the 57732

I live in the Atlanta area and we have Fry's, BB, CC, Brandsmart and Tweeter... but not sure which one will have the 57732. I prefer brandsmart because of their prices...but don't think they'll have the 57732
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post #1199 of 9376
8/14/06 at 5:58pm
Just got back from Tweeter. They had the Samsung LED 5679 (don't want to get it, but I wanted to see it), the Sony A2000, and the 52631. I mostly compared the Sony and the Mits. They weren't side by side, so it was tough to compare. Unfortunately, I don't think it helped my decision process much. I still don't know what to get. I'd like to see the 732, but I also want a TV before football starts, which could be cutting it close. Tweeter was expecting to have them mid September, so I'd have to find someone that gets them sooner, at least to look at. I want to know what features are different between the 631, 731 and 732 as well.
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post #1200 of 9376
8/14/06 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by zarak628 View Post

Just got back from Tweeter. They had the Samsung LED 5679 (don't want to get it, but I wanted to see it), the Sony A2000, and the 52631. I mostly compared the Sony and the Mits. They weren't side by side, so it was tough to compare. Unfortunately, I don't think it helped my decision process much. I still don't know what to get. I'd like to see the 732, but I also want a TV before football starts, which could be cutting it close. Tweeter was expecting to have them mid September, so I'd have to find someone that gets them sooner, at least to look at. I want to know what features are different between the 631, 731 and 732 as well.

Zarak...did u try toplay with the settings on all the sets? I really would try to play with the setting (brightness, contrast etc.) to getthe best PQ for that set .... watch it for 10 minutes ... then move to the next set and repeat... compare only 2 sets at a time and eliminate the one u least like.
You for certain pq issue like noise, brightness, dark details...and then hopefully u'll have a better idea of what u'd liked...that's how I do it anyway
Good luck
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