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post #1621 of 9381
What astounds me is that....and if it's true that the 831 and 732 look as good as they've been reported so far....is that Mitsubishi has done all of this improvements over a year!!!!

Westa ... can probably support me on this thought. I mean, the Mits, from years past have not looked this good. Well, I must admit though that the Mits have alwyas had a great amount of details in their sets but they were usually duller in color and not as bright.

So what the heck happened here? whatever it is..I'm glad for all the new improvements. I just can't wait to see the sets in person.
post #1622 of 9381
1st time poster, but my question to parasite is also, about the sceen and the viewing angle, is the viewing angle dimished in anyway, or, per chance, is it even improved upon? with rear projection, this has been one of my major issues (RP vs. Plasma). Thanks in advance.
post #1623 of 9381
Just purchased the 65732. ETA Friday. I won't discuss price. However, if there are about 5000 members in this forum, I would guess 3088 would agree I got a pretty good deal. If the 831 looks that much better, the salesman said I could pay 4 bills more to upgrade. I wonder if the screen will be worth it. Is the difference between the 831 and 732 extremely drastic???
post #1624 of 9381
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

What astounds me is that....and if it's true that the 831 and 732 look as good as they've been reported so far....is that Mitsubishi has done all of this improvements over a year!!!!

Westa ... can probably support me on this thought. I mean, the Mits, from years past have not looked this good. Well, I must admit though that the Mits have alwyas had a great amount of details in their sets but they were usually duller in color and not as bright.

So what the heck happened here? whatever it is..I'm glad for all the new improvements. I just can't wait to see the sets in person.

Let's not forget that Mitsubishi had the smarts to have a DVI connection to the PC thinking that the PC is now part of the home theater experience. Also, if you read the professional 731 review from UV Electronics they liked it a lot and mentioned that the upgraded models with "dark detailer" should be even better.
post #1625 of 9381
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Originally Posted by TrendSetterX View Post

It was mentined earlier that the 732 accepts 720p over component... so is that in addition to 480i, 480p, and 1080i... or is 720p, exclusively?

Hmmm....this is fom the 732 specs:

3 Component Video Inputs
Inputs have 480i, 480p and 1080i capability
post #1626 of 9381
Component Video Inputs (480i/480p/720p/1080i)...according to both the 831 and 732 spec sheets
post #1627 of 9381
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

Hmmm....this is fom the 732 specs:

3 Component Video Inputs
Inputs have 480i, 480p and 1080i capability

I would find it strange that it doesn't accept 720P...while it accepts all others (except 1080P).

it must be a typo.
post #1628 of 9381
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

I would find it strange that it doesn't accept 720P...while it accepts all others (except 1080P).

it must be a typo.

I got it from ABT.
post #1629 of 9381
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Originally Posted by PARASITE View Post

Ok here is the info you all been waiting for!
I have to trickle this since I'm now back and at work again so I will put on a few points here and some more tommorow. OK first thing to know is these sets were still preproduction so as good as they looked they will only be better. The cosmetics are diffrent from what we saw at the show on the 831. Ok i will break things down in order.

High Contrast Screen
The screen is not a glass or plastic reflective screen.
The screen is darker when the tv is off.
The purpose for the High Contrast Screen is really a 4 benefit design.
#1 The high contrast screen restricts the amount of light into the image and increases the amount of light coming out. What that means is The dreaded SSE is all but eliminated because, the amount of light the screen lets in. Unlike the other sets, when you have a bright image on the screen it will not show SSE.Its the light these cheap screens let in that really show SSE. That is why you see it mostly on bright colors. From what I saw there was NO SSE AT ALL.
#2 The Screen increases light output by 10% Much brighter image at just natural lamp setting. These new Mits dlp all give 20% more light output without 20% less bulb life. "the turbo light 180 should last at the highest setting 4000hrs. Natural setting closer to 7000hrs.
#3 The screen increases contrast in colors Since you have a screen that limits the light going in, your colors can show more contrast, more natural contrast, very good contrast in bright colors especially when you pair that with the new lamp.
#4 Incredible black level "Omg is all i can say" This screen + the dark detailer and deep field imager produced the blackest blacks I have ever seen! We are talking CRT level blacks. For those who have bought the 731's and are not happy with the blacks, and can return it for the 831 you should if your budget allows it. Just to give you an example. we watched a clip of some concert footage and there was a woman with very black hair. on the 732,831 her hair was jet black with no noise and you could see the shine in her individual strands of hair. The shadow detail was incredible and remember I'm a SXRD owner now. The 731 would only show this amount of shadow detail if we cranked the brigtness, then her hair looked gray. The dark detailer, deep field imager makes that big of diffrence. Ok that is all for now but for those who are wondering yes the tv is like looking at a plasma and just the 732 has better blacks and shadow detail then the XBR1.

Stay tuned for more impression,facts,gaming info, ect.... Sorry i have to close the store now I wont be updating this till tommorow.

You're info sure sounds good and I really hope you are right. I've looked at the new Sammy, the Mits 57731, and the new JVC, and while all are brighter and seem to be more sharper they fall behind in black levels and exhibit more noise than the SXRD. And the more I look at microdisplays the more I realize how I dislike the non-glare acrylic screens that cause SSE. No worries about reflections in my home theater i'm currently building but if something doesn't impress me in a few months I may even consider buying the 58PX60U and HOPE that image retention won't be too much of an issue for me since 90% of my viewing is either DVDs or video games.

I'd be willing to give up some of the shadow detail on my XBR1 for as good or better blacks, a sharper image (which the Mits will likely do), and no SSE. I can only hope you are right .
post #1630 of 9381
Wonder what "deep field imager" does.
post #1631 of 9381
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

Wonder what "deep field imager" does.

Ummm...highlights otherwise invisible crop circles?
post #1632 of 9381
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Originally Posted by jahjahjones View Post

Just purchased the 65732. ETA Friday. I won't discuss price. However, if there are about 5000 members in this forum, I would guess ....SNIP...

You did pretty good. Based on my own experience you deserve at least an A-
There might have been another 50 or so left on the table.
post #1633 of 9381
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

What astounds me is that....and if it's true that the 831 and 732 look as good as they've been reported so far....is that Mitsubishi has done all of this improvements over a year!!!!

Westa ... can probably support me on this thought. I mean, the Mits, from years past have not looked this good. Well, I must admit though that the Mits have alwyas had a great amount of details in their sets but they were usually duller in color and not as bright.

So what the heck happened here? whatever it is..I'm glad for all the new improvements. I just can't wait to see the sets in person.

Rudy,

I'm guessing the six segment color wheel has a lot to do with sharper colors and brightness. Mits sets last year really took a beating in the trade rags and their market share dropped accordingly. Apparently the message came through loud and clear.
post #1634 of 9381
Quote:
Originally Posted by PARASITE View Post

Ok here is the info you all been waiting for!
I have to trickle this since I'm now back and at work again so I will put on a few points here and some more tommorow. OK first thing to know is these sets were still preproduction so as good as they looked they will only be better. The cosmetics are diffrent from what we saw at the show on the 831. Ok i will break things down in order.

High Contrast Screen
The screen is not a glass or plastic reflective screen.
The screen is darker when the tv is off.
The purpose for the High Contrast Screen is really a 4 benefit design.
#1 The high contrast screen restricts the amount of light into the image and increases the amount of light coming out. What that means is The dreaded SSE is all but eliminated because, the amount of light the screen lets in. Unlike the other sets, when you have a bright image on the screen it will not show SSE.Its the light these cheap screens let in that really show SSE. That is why you see it mostly on bright colors. From what I saw there was NO SSE AT ALL.
#2 The Screen increases light output by 10% Much brighter image at just natural lamp setting. These new Mits dlp all give 20% more light output without 20% less bulb life. "the turbo light 180 should last at the highest setting 4000hrs. Natural setting closer to 7000hrs.
#3 The screen increases contrast in colors Since you have a screen that limits the light going in, your colors can show more contrast, more natural contrast, very good contrast in bright colors especially when you pair that with the new lamp.
#4 Incredible black level "Omg is all i can say" This screen + the dark detailer and deep field imager produced the blackest blacks I have ever seen! We are talking CRT level blacks. For those who have bought the 731's and are not happy with the blacks, and can return it for the 831 you should if your budget allows it. Just to give you an example. we watched a clip of some concert footage and there was a woman with very black hair. on the 732,831 her hair was jet black with no noise and you could see the shine in her individual strands of hair. The shadow detail was incredible and remember I'm a SXRD owner now. The 731 would only show this amount of shadow detail if we cranked the brigtness, then her hair looked gray. The dark detailer, deep field imager makes that big of diffrence. Ok that is all for now but for those who are wondering yes the tv is like looking at a plasma and just the 732 has better blacks and shadow detail then the XBR1.

Stay tuned for more impression,facts,gaming info, ect.... Sorry i have to close the store now I wont be updating this till tommorow.

Great Report! Any further update on when these babies will ship or are we still looking at mid to late September?
post #1635 of 9381
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

Great Report! Any further update on when these babies will ship or are we still looking at mid to late September?


I received a call from my salesman yesterday. He says it will be in the first week of September. He actually stated the 4th, but we'll see.
post #1636 of 9381
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Originally Posted by jerastan View Post

I received a call from my salesman yesterday. He says it will be in the first week of September. He actually stated the 4th, but we'll see.

Which set did you order?
post #1637 of 9381
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

Which set did you order?

65831
post #1638 of 9381
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

Wonder what "deep field imager" does.

From Sound&Vision :

"Mitsubishi's SharpEdge should be kept off to avoid artificial edge enhancement, as should the Deep Field Imager function, which is supposed to optimize contrast as image content changes but sometimes ended up brightening the blacks. The video noise-reduction feature worked surprisingly well, so I left it on."
post #1639 of 9381
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

Rudy,

I'm guessing the six segment color wheel has a lot to do with sharper colors and brightness. Mits sets last year really took a beating in the trade rags and their market share dropped accordingly. Apparently the message came through loud and clear.

I agree that last years MITS look pretty mediocre. I was at HH Gregg on Tuesday and they had Sony A-2000, Sammy 77 series, Toshiba 1080P model, and last years Mits all together. The SXRD was best, followed by the Sammy, the Toshiba, and far behind was the Mits. It was pretty poor compared to the others, and to the JVC displayed farther down the row of tv's. I have seen the 731 at other stores though and it held it's own well against the other brands, showing that Mits has made a big leap this time on their RPTV's. I would say the 731 could have better black levels after studying it carefully. If the 732 and 831 improve a lot on that, Mits is back in the game for sure!
post #1640 of 9381
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

I agree that last years MITS look pretty mediocre.

Ayup. With all the bad press they were getting, their name was effectively changed to Mitsubashi.

What a difference a year makes. "When the going gets tough, the tough get going."
post #1641 of 9381
Local Houston, TX retailers received their 73732 sets today.
Still no word on 65732
post #1642 of 9381
Fry's in Portland received there 73732's on Monday and have them set up. Took a look yesterday and thought it looked good.
post #1643 of 9381
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

Local Houston, TX retailers received their 73732 sets today.
Still no word on 65732

You guys are leaving me behind...what about the 57" ??

And... has anyone stop by these stores to check out the PQ of the sets?
post #1644 of 9381
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

You guys are leaving me behind...what about the 57" ??

And... has anyone stop by these stores to check out the PQ of the sets?

I have only seen the CC version of the 731 and I like what I saw. I can only imagine a 732 or 831 will only be better.
post #1645 of 9381
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Originally Posted by SCA View Post

I have only seen the CC version of the 731 and I like what I saw. I can only imagine a 732 or 831 will only be better.

I meant the 732 and 831
post #1646 of 9381
Could someone tell me how much I should expect to pay for a replacement lamp/bulb for the 65731?
post #1647 of 9381
I'm still getting mixed signals about the delivery dates for the WD-65732, Between two local dealers and Tweeter's "commercial sales" division we keep hearing (consistently) a factory ship date of Aug 25 and anticipated warehouse receipt dates anywhere from Sep 1 to Sep 4.

When all this is over I'm going to have a nervous breakdown.
post #1648 of 9381
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

I'm still getting mixed signals about the delivery dates for the WD-65732, Between two local dealers and Tweeter's "commercial sales" division we keep hearing (consistently) a factory ship date of Aug 25 and anticipated warehouse receipt dates anywhere from Sep 1 to Sep 4.

When all this is over I'm going to have a nervous breakdown.

I have a ETA of 08-30-06
post #1649 of 9381
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

I'm still getting mixed signals about the delivery dates for the WD-65732, Between two local dealers and Tweeter's "commercial sales" division we keep hearing (consistently) a factory ship date of Aug 25 and anticipated warehouse receipt dates anywhere from Sep 1 to Sep 4.

When all this is over I'm going to have a nervous breakdown.

Those are the same dates I've been getting lately. Maybe that's a good thing? We were all getting conflicting dates last week. It seems to be getting more consistant, so..........?
post #1650 of 9381
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Originally Posted by Gamer0x0 View Post

Could someone tell me how much I should expect to pay for a replacement lamp/bulb for the 65731?

For the 150-watt lamp (57" and 65" 731 and 732 series) I've heard prices from a low of $220 to a high of $300 + service call and installation charge if you want someone to do it for you. They are supposed to be fairly simple to replace, even consumer-doable so long as you know how to properly handle the lamp. (don't touch it w/bare hands)
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