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post #181 of 9409
Sorry for my ignorance guys, but trying to keep track of both the SXRD thread and this one I've sort of lost my place with the model numbers for the mits. I see on Mit's site that the XX731's are out, but I hear people on this thread waiting for other models, 8-something? Is that later this year? Any ETA? We are focusing mostly on a 60-70 set. 50-55 too small and over 70 is getting a bit much, so anything in that range is game.

Also what is the difference between the XX731s and the upper echolon series that we are waiting on? Is the only difference that Dark detailer setting that pbm was talking about?

I don't think i'm someone that sees rainbows... but neither was pbm until he got the TV home. That bothers me, but not enough to not get one. I can always just return it.

So basically I'm all tuned into the SXRD thread so I know which TV/model I'm waiting for. But in this thread I'd like to get an idea of all the top models to know which one I want to wait to see in the stores before I decide. Also if anyone happens to know the differences, or heck, even have a mitsu page for them, that'd be fantastic.

Also i noticed a lack of built in DVRs which was sort of a corner stone of the old sets... is this something that everyone stopped doing since all the content providers do this anyway?
post #182 of 9409
Yup....is stilling trying to live on rep by pushing the SXRD with the clear design defect. but there is plenty of that discussion in the SXRD thread. Where did you find the spec on the mits wheel speed?

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Originally Posted by Soundboy View Post

The new Mitsubishi color wheel spins at 14,400 RPMs. As far as Rainbow Effect, I have not seen it on the WD-57731 and I had LASIK performed two years ago. Mitsubishi kills the Samsung in detail, brightness, and noise reduction. I studied on two different sales floors. Not to mention that I prefer the non-glare cabinet (I could shave off the Samsung cosmetics). The SXRD screen frame is also too reflective for my tastes and keeps fingerprints pretty well. Also like the height-adjustable shelf on the Mits base, which is also deep for my components.
I was sold when the sales associate told me that Mitsubishi's are designed and engineered in the US unlike most of the other manufacturers.

I would much rather take DLP technology over LCoS any day. People can disagree but one chip is better than dealing with misalignment, aging, or convergence of 3 chips. Gotta love the green / yellow blob on the SXRD!

post #183 of 9409
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Originally Posted by Soundboy View Post

The new Mitsubishi color wheel spins at 14,400 RPMs. As far as Rainbow Effect, I have not seen it on the WD-57731 and I had LASIK performed two years ago. Mitsubishi kills the Samsung in detail, brightness, and noise reduction. I studied on two different sales floors. Not to mention that I prefer the non-glare cabinet (I could shave off the Samsung cosmetics). The SXRD screen frame is also too reflective for my tastes and keeps fingerprints pretty well. Also like the height-adjustable shelf on the Mits base, which is also deep for my components.
I was sold when the sales associate told me that Mitsubishi's are designed and engineered in the US unlike most of the other manufacturers.

I would much rather take DLP technology over LCoS any day. People can disagree but one chip is better than dealing with misalignment, aging, or convergence of 3 chips. Gotta love the green / yellow blob on the SXRD!


The SXRD is made in Pennsylvania. But i will say that i eliminated the Sammy 1080p from consideration and the new Mitsubishi WD-52631 is my only other choice besides the new A2000. I love the DVI connection.
post #184 of 9409
DVI connection is cool if you're gonna be running a HTPC, cause it still leaves you 2 available HDMI ports. However, even if it didnt have DVI, an inexpensive DVI to HDMI connector from one of the AVS cable sponsors really makes it a non issue anyway, as well as video cards will very soon be coming with HDMI connectors (and HDCP compliant) on them, as they were just shown at Computex last week. Looking forward to hearing some more reviews of these new Mits'.
post #185 of 9409
rsk, I'm pretty much in the same boat as you are. I know from searching around the Mits site that their top of the line is always listed as a "diamond" series. I was skeptical when the 731 series (only one listed for 2007) wasn't listed as a "diamond" series. Upon google searching for WD-65731 I found this press release.
Well, it won't let me put in a URL yet so google search for the Mitsubishi wd-65831 and you will see a press release from HDTVexpert.. read it. I think it was on apr 10th.. I hope that helps and if anyone else can post it I would be really thankful.

I figured if I'm going to spend a good $$$ I may as well as get the top of the line because I was all set to order my 65731. Now I'm glad I didn't buy that WD-62927. The current year model WD-62827 and WD-62927 both have built in DVRs with the 927 having a 250 gig drive in it. If that's what you're into then go for the current year model. It doesn't have the 6 color wheel or the "turbo" 150w bulb. It seems that Mits is doing away with the DVR and figuring that everyone will have that with their providers and don't want to drop that $$$ to include it in their TVs. I know I'd rather save on a TV with NO DVR but has more advanced technology inside, but that's everyone's personal call. I'm just curious how long I have to wait until that 831 series is going to come along. I'm tired of my standard Sony 61" projection that's 7 years old. So if anyone has any idea of release dates for the 831 that would be great. I know I've seen people list aug/sept as the norm for Mits releasing their next year models so I'm guessing that the 731 is the first release with the 732 and 831 coming out in the new couple of months. I've looked and looked at the 60" SXRD side by side with the WD-62927 and they both seem pretty close. I know I have a LOT of ambient light in my viewing room so one thing that I read that the 831 series (2007) is going to have is a "turbo" 180w bulb. By the look of pbm's room he has more light in his than I do in mine and he has to turn down the brightness on his "turbo" 150w then I feel really confident with the 180w, though I still want to see it in person first before dropping that 4300 dollars. I also see that the 831 series is going to have the memory card reader in the front too. I hope that this was somewhat helpful. I know I'm looking for any bit of INFO too before I make my big purchase.
post #186 of 9409
The URL referred to in the previous post:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/Mi...2006_HDTV.html
post #187 of 9409
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Originally Posted by jhoweth View Post

The URL referred to in the previous post:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/Mi...2006_HDTV.html

I presume "Tru1080p" means it doesn't bob & weave.
post #188 of 9409
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Originally Posted by tranzixter View Post

Yup....is stilling trying to live on rep by pushing the SXRD with the clear design defect. but there is plenty of that discussion in the SXRD thread. Where did you find the spec on the mits wheel speed?

Don't understand your first sentence, but I can reply on the color wheel.
The guy who sold me the TV called the Mitsubishi rep while I was in the store to find out arrival of the 732 series. I was told AUGUST. He confirmed the 12-bit processing and also the RPMs of the color wheel. The associate got off the phone and mentioned that Mits had the extra primary color filter (which may explain the better skintones). I also confirmed the bulb size: 150W vs 132W (Samsung) and 120W (Sony). It's evident that the Mits is the brightest. I thought the Mits had the best viewing angle on the floor which is important in my living room setup.

I read the press releases on Sony's site which has the specs and photos. I didn't like the extra screen frame on the new Sonys.

I guess the 732 series has a metallic gloss black and the Diamond 832 series has the metallic HIGH gloss black. The 732 series steps are: NetCommand IR with Learning, one extra component, SharpEdge, DarkDetailer, PerfecTint, and the Memory Card Reader. All this for $200 more. I paid much less than MSRP at Ultimate Electronics. TRUST ME. I did my research and wrote it down. The 732s aren't expected until August, but like I said, I needed a TV now.

Not to mention that I have a 57" size that's basically the same width as the current 50" SXRD. And my wife was against the Samsung finish because of dust and fingerprints from the little one. She also likes the illuminated remote, which was one of the bigger selling points. We watch movies in the dark after the little one is asleep and none of the other remotes were illuminated. Came in handy tonight because we watched a recording of Madagascar in HD after the hockey game. It looked phenomenal!

The only hesistation is exchanging this TV for the 732 when it arrives, but I only have a couple of more weeks to make this decision. I'll be without a living room set for about 3 weeks if I take it back and get a 732. Might be well worth the extra $200.
post #189 of 9409
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Originally Posted by jhoweth View Post

DVI connection is cool if you're gonna be running a HTPC, cause it still leaves you 2 available HDMI ports. However, even if it didnt have DVI, an inexpensive DVI to HDMI connector from one of the AVS cable sponsors really makes it a non issue anyway, as well as video cards will very soon be coming with HDMI connectors (and HDCP compliant) on them, as they were just shown at Computex last week. Looking forward to hearing some more reviews of these new Mits'.

It states in the Owner's Guide that the DVI connection is strictly for PC use. Knowing what's ahead in copy protection, I feel more "future-proof" going with a DVI connection than analog PC connection. I'm sure I'll eventually have an HD-DVD or Blu-ray recorder / player in my PC someday. And who knows what Hollywood will do with future content considering the growing popularity of video on the Web.
post #190 of 9409
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

The SXRD is made in Pennsylvania. But i will say that i eliminated the Sammy 1080p from consideration and the new Mitsubishi WD-52631 is my only other choice besides the new A2000. I love the DVI connection.

Manufactured in the US, but is it DESIGNED and DEVELOPED in the US? Sony should've known better than to put speakers on the side of their TV because of the cabinets / wall units we put our TVs in. My sales associate told me that he lost a lot of sales because of the width of the SXRD.

I know LG and some other companies get what they are given from overseas. Read their Owner's Guides ("Engrish") to prove my point.
post #191 of 9409
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Originally Posted by Soundboy View Post

I guess the 732 series has a metallic gloss black and the Diamond 832 series has the metallic HIGH gloss black. The 732 series steps are: NetCommand IR with Learning, one extra component, SharpEdge, DarkDetailer, PerfecTint, and the Memory Card Reader. All this for $200 more. ...

...The only hesistation is exchanging this TV for the 732 when it arrives, but I only have a couple of more weeks to make this decision. I'll be without a living room set for about 3 weeks if I take it back and get a 732. Might be well worth the extra $200.

The 732 Series is only $200 more? $200 regularly priced or negotiated? So the 57732 retails for $2999? Did you happen to get the prices on what UE lists the 65" and 73" versions of the 732 and 831 series?

Also, it might be worth your while to upgrade to the 732 series. If the dark detailer is anything like Sony's iris or black level enhancement it really helps. Especially in scenes that look washed out which does happen even on video games. The 4 step black enhancement will be missed on the Sony if I upgrade to the Mits (which I have high hopes for). The increased brightness alone should really help out.
post #192 of 9409
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Originally Posted by Soundboy View Post

The new Mitsubishi color wheel spins at 14,400 RPMs. As far as Rainbow Effect, I have not seen it on the WD-57731 and I had LASIK performed two years ago. Mitsubishi kills the Samsung in detail, brightness, and noise reduction.

Soundboy - what was the basis for your comparison between the Samsung/Mits/Sony? And what models did you compare? Did you simply view them in a store, or did you buy all 3 and have them professionally calibrated in order to make a blanket statement saying the Mits kills the Samsung? Or maybe the store did that exercise for you?
post #193 of 9409
In addition to what SoundBoy stated, I want to point out the new 60/70 XBR2's will have a 180watt lamp. I personally believe this is in preparation for the 80" in January, but that's my 2 cents. So as far as comparing the sets from Mits comming out in August to the current SXRDs, I don't know that is the fairest comparison. I would have to compare the XX831 August sets from Mits to the XBR2's from Sony in Aug/Sept/Oct/Nov or whenever both are out.
post #194 of 9409
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Originally Posted by rsk View Post

In addition to what SoundBoy stated, I want to point out the new 60/70 XBR2's will have a 180watt lamp. I personally believe this is in preparation for the 80" in January, but that's my 2 cents. So as far as comparing the sets from Mits comming out in August to the current SXRDs, I don't know that is the fairest comparison. I would have to compare the XX831 August sets from Mits to the XBR2's from Sony in Aug/Sept/Oct/Nov or whenever both are out.

I dont know.....it would be hard living with the green glob stain every time you watch ice hockey.
post #195 of 9409
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

The 732 Series is only $200 more? $200 regularly priced or negotiated? So the 57732 retails for $2999? Did you happen to get the prices on what UE lists the 65" and 73" versions of the 732 and 831 series?

Also, it might be worth your while to upgrade to the 732 series. If the dark detailer is anything like Sony's iris or black level enhancement it really helps. Especially in scenes that look washed out which does happen even on video games. The 4 step black enhancement will be missed on the Sony if I upgrade to the Mits (which I have high hopes for). The increased brightness alone should really help out.

Its seems odd marketing to seperate the dark detailer feature into higher end models. Its such a small cost item. All the Samsung HLS have equal picture quality and they seperate models by non PQ capabilities or cabinet style. That makes a lot more sense to me. IF the 731 had DD I would by the first 65" 761 model I could find.

I wonder if it was a choice to get the 731 series out there quickly, to grab some share from Samsung even with the darkdetailer as maybe the DD wouldnt be ready to deploy that early.
post #196 of 9409
I like Samsung approach of actually listed online dealers on their website that carry the TV.

Mits doesnt seem to do that from what I can find.

Is there a online dealer that would likley be one of the first to carry the new Mitsubishi DLP line?
post #197 of 9409
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Originally Posted by John Haghighi View Post

Here is a mirror site of Mitsubishi's website with the new models:

http://mitsubishitv.jazel.net/j/i/18326?cid=386

I do believe the Darker Detail feature is comparable to the SXRD's dynamic Iris, so this would be the model to compare

What is this mirror site for? I guess its not working now. But I did use it a few days ago to see the 732 models. The 732 are not shown on the main site. Was it like a test site for Mits before they put on their main site?
post #198 of 9409
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Originally Posted by tranzixter View Post

I like Samsung approach of actually listed online dealers on their website that carry the TV.

Mits doesnt seem to do that from what I can find.

Is there a online dealer that would likley be one of the first to carry the new Mitsubishi DLP line?

I agree with you, but I think a lot of manufacturers do this, really frustrating. You'll find something you want, then have no idea where to go buy it.

I would say that all the big retailers and etailers would be the first to check. Any manufacturer is going to target their big channels first (I think?)

Circuit City, Best Buy, Crutchfield maybe, TV Authority seems on the ball and a lot of people like Visual Apex.
post #199 of 9409
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Originally Posted by tranzixter View Post

Its seems odd marketing to seperate the dark detailer feature into higher end models. Its such a small cost item. All the Samsung HLS have equal picture quality and they seperate models by non PQ capabilities or cabinet style.

I thought so too, but according to UMR that's not the case this year. NOT! See below.

The Samsung HL-Sxx87 models do not have the "dark detailer - iris" feature that is included in the HL-Sxx88 models. According to UMR, he can do a better ISF calibration on the "88" models.

EDIT: I missread UMR as far as the Iris is concerned. He was referring to the HL-S6767 not the HL-Sxx87. Sorry.

What UMR said is posted here and he is referring to a different HLS model.

The real UMR
post #200 of 9409
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I thought so too, but according to UMR that's not the case this year.

The Samsung HL-Sxx87 models do not have the "dark detailer - iris" feature that is included in the HL-Sxx88 models. According to UMR, he can do a better ISF calibration on the "88" models.

That's VERY interesting. Wonder why Samsung isn't promoting that fact.
post #201 of 9409
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I thought so too, but according to UMR that's not the case this year.

The Samsung HL-Sxx87 models do not have the "dark detailer - iris" feature that is included in the HL-Sxx88 models. According to UMR, he can do a better ISF calibration on the "88" models.

How is the noise level on the Samsung 88 compared to the 87 models?
post #202 of 9409
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Originally Posted by tranzixter View Post

What is this mirror site for? I guess its not working now. But I did use it a few days ago to see the 732 models. The 732 are not shown on the main site. Was it like a test site for Mits before they put on their main site?

I tried that Mits mirror site a few days ago too and it listed all the 2007 models and all the features each carry. Now it's not available. Kind of a buzz kill.
post #203 of 9409
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Originally Posted by fitterguy73 View Post

I tried that Mits mirror site a few days ago too and it listed all the 2007 models and all the features each carry. Now it's not available. Kind of a buzz kill.

Grrr, in the Sony thread folks are saying the same thing about the new SXRD sets, on SonyStyle some days they are up, some days down. I can confirm this with the A-series, I saw those up, but never saw the XBR2 series up.
post #204 of 9409
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

How is the noise level on the Samsung 88 compared to the 87 models?

You can read the views of three ISF calibrators starting here:

Samsung 2006 DLP HDTV Discussion --- HLSxxxxW Models

I would include the cost of calibration if I were buying.
post #205 of 9409
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I thought so too, but according to UMR that's not the case this year.

The Samsung HL-Sxx87 models do not have the "dark detailer - iris" feature that is included in the HL-Sxx88 models. According to UMR, he can do a better ISF calibration on the "88" models.

You scared me there for a second, so I asked UMR myself:

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Originally Posted by umr View Post

No that is not true. It is the 78 that may not have the iris not the 87. Service details with the 78 are not available though to know for sure.

justin.
post #206 of 9409
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Originally Posted by jinpsu View Post

You scared me there for a second, so I asked UMR myself:

Thanks for catching my dumb mistake.

I've corrected it.

What I misread and/or misunderstood is this:

What UMR really wrote about the HL-S6767 not the HL-Sxx87.
post #207 of 9409
I would like to point out that this is a Mitsubishi thread not Sammy. I know it's ok to bring up different brands and technologies for comparision purposes but it has turned into a Sammy only thread with nothing to do with Mitsubishi.
post #208 of 9409
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Originally Posted by rsk View Post

Grrr, in the Sony thread folks are saying the same thing about the new SXRD sets, on SonyStyle some days they are up, some days down. I can confirm this with the A-series, I saw those up, but never saw the XBR2 series up.

uhhh......really......if interested in the Sony.....Id be lurking the Sony thread. I been there enough to know that Sony is not in my TV future.
post #209 of 9409
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I thought so too, but according to UMR that's not the case this year. NOT! See below.

The Samsung HL-Sxx87 models do not have the "dark detailer - iris" feature that is included in the HL-Sxx88 models. According to UMR, he can do a better ISF calibration on the "88" models.

EDIT: I missread UMR as far as the Iris is concerned. He was referring to the HL-S6767 not the HL-Sxx87. Sorry.

What UMR said is posted here and he is referring to a different HLS model.

The real UMR

All the HLS Samsungs spec the contrast ratio at 10,000/1 so I have to believe it has their version of dark detailer. The Mits doesnt even spec contrast ration for the 731 series, so likely it was not a favorable spec to publish. I hope the 732 publishes it.
post #210 of 9409
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Originally Posted by tranzixter View Post

uhhh......really......if interested in the Sony.....Id be lurking the Sony thread. I been there enough to know that Sony is not in my TV future.

You have to appreciate the history of *this* thread, pbm started it after lurking in the SXRD thread and he sucked some of us over with promisses of money and women.

So now I'm lurking in both.
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