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Originally Posted by hound View Post

Not meaning to anger any of you for asking a stupid question, but if the 831 series sets are that much "better" and only a few hundred dollars more than the 731 and 732 series, why would anyone want a 731 or 732? Or, are there certain reasons (such as bright viewing areas) where I would need the 831 series?

List I think is $500 more. So street is probably $400 more. 732 to 831
post #1922 of 9376
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

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I just know that I can't handle a 65" at this viewing distance

I hoped I would never see this day.....blasphemy! you realize thats the 7th sign of armegedon.
post #1923 of 9376
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Originally Posted by hdtme View Post

List I think is $500 more. So street is probably $400 more. 732 to 831


MSRP is 700 more between the 65732 and 65831, 3499 vs 4199.
Wholesale diff. is vicinity of 500.
post #1924 of 9376
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

MSRP is 700 more between the 65732 and 65831, 3499 vs 4199.
Wholesale diff. is vicinity of 500.

thats sounds right. Enough to make you think about which one to get
post #1925 of 9376
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Originally Posted by hound View Post

Not meaning to anger any of you for asking a stupid question, but if the 831 series sets are that much "better" and only a few hundred dollars more than the 731 and 732 series, why would anyone want a 731 or 732? Or, are there certain reasons (such as bright viewing areas) where I would need the 831 series?

For some of us the well just isn't any deeper. We have to be able to eat and put gas in the car. You find one you like at the max you can afford and you go with it.
post #1926 of 9376
So... where are these 65732s that someone said were "in"
post #1927 of 9376
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Originally Posted by hdtme View Post

I hoped I would never see this day.....blasphemy! you realize thats the 7th sign of armegedon.

Forgive me I'm a draftee when it comes to a berry berry big screen
post #1928 of 9376
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Originally Posted by igorick View Post

The 731 vs 732 vs 831 differences get spelled out every 5-10 pages on this forum. Just go back a little bit and you'll find them. MSRP goes up $200 from 731 to 732 and $500 from 732 to 831. And, as just noted, you're talking about maybe a 1-2 week, not month, difference from when the 732s hit 'till when the 831s hit. As for the "is it worth it" question....well, you'll probably find that you can cut that $500 MSRP difference in half with some good negotiating. Search for posts from "parasite" to learn more about why the 831 is so highly regarded...mostly due to its high contrast screen and 180W bulb. Then it's up to you!


I have not seen any differences clearly spelled out for the wd73732 and wd73831. I have only been made aware of the 65" and 57" differences. Both of the 73" have the 180 watt lamp per the specs posted by the sellers. The only major difference seems to be the higher contrast screen as noted by this forum and another. The only comparision that came close to defining the differences was by parasite, but he basically spoke about the 732 and 831 differences of the 65" & 57" and did quite well at that. I'm pondering the 73732 and don't know whether to wait as everyone including, "that other forum" is pondering the differences of the other sizes. My home theater room warrants the larger size so I'm going to break the bank and get it. At least thats my plan and I'd like to stick to it.
post #1929 of 9376
Hey Fellas

I've ordered the 57-732 and I need a few cables. I don't want to go the Monster route since they are generally overpriced. So I'm going to order through Mono Cables. Would somebody please recommend a size, length, gauge ,ect. There are quite a few choices available and I have no clue as to which cable I should get.

My setup will be the Dish VIP-622. I am also going to order the Oppo 970 unconverting DVD player. Do I order a HDMI cable for the Oppo? Or go with component?

I think i need 2 HDMI cables...one for the Oppo and one for the Set top box. Please advise which cable from Mono.

Thx!
post #1930 of 9376
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

MSRP is 700 more between the 65732 and 65831, 3499 vs 4199.
Wholesale diff. is vicinity of 500.

Just FYI, it's actually the 65731 that has a MSRP of $3499. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1142295054692
The 65732 is $3699....vs $4199 for the 65831.
post #1931 of 9376
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Originally Posted by Yammyha View Post

I have not seen any differences clearly spelled out for the wd73732 and wd73831. I have only been made aware of the 65" and 57" differences. Both of the 73" have the 180 watt lamp per the specs posted by the sellers. The only major difference seems to be the higher contrast screen as noted by this forum and another. The only comparision that came close to defining the differences was by parasite, but he basically spoke about the 732 and 831 differences of the 65" & 57" and did quite well at that. I'm pondering the 73732 and don't know whether to wait as everyone including, "that other forum" is pondering the differences of the other sizes. My home theater room warrants the larger size so I'm going to break the bank and get it. At least thats my plan and I'd like to stick to it.

uuuuuhhhh.......you could try reading the spec sheets on the Mitsubishi site? Is reading specs like asking driving directions for you?
post #1932 of 9376
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Originally Posted by liujer View Post

BTW Model xx732 has 180 watt light bulb.
For $250 more, I buy the xx831. When you are spending so much money for a TV that you'll enjoy for years to come, why not spend the extra $250 and knowing that you will not have to second guess yourself, plus you'll the the top of the line product from Mitsubishi.

Actually only the 73" model in the 732 line has the 180watt bulb. All the 831 series sets have it though.
post #1933 of 9376
Frys in Anaheim said the 65732 was in their books, but not they did not have any in the store. He said that meant they were about to arrive.
post #1934 of 9376
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Originally Posted by hdtme View Post

uuuuuhhhh.......you could try reading the spec sheets on the Mitsubishi site? Is reading specs like asking driving directions for you?

I've been searching the mits website and still haven't seen specs for the 831's.
post #1935 of 9376
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Originally Posted by bwall23 View Post

I've been searching the mits website and still haven't seen specs for the 831's.

ahhhh....you are one of those guys that wont ask for directions.
lucky your not lost in the desert, cuz if it was a rattle snake, it would have bit you.

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/j/i/183...s.html?cid=388
post #1936 of 9376
It is interesting though that Mitsubishi doesn't give a CR number, no matter how inflated it could be. Perhaps it's because some models have the Iris and some don't?
post #1937 of 9376
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Originally Posted by Cheeze View Post

I think i need 2 HDMI cables...one for the Oppo and one for the Set top box. Please advise which cable from Mono.

I don't know much about Mono cables, but I recently purchased HDMI cables from Bettercables.com via AVSForum's powerbuy thread. PQ is execllent on my HD-DVD player and Scientific Atlanta HD/DVR Cable Box. One reason why I bought this cable is their HDMI locking mechanism. You may or may not know HDMI plugs can easily be pull out (or disconnected) especially if the cable is thick and heavy. The locking mechanism locks the plug in place and it will not come loose. I have compared PQ of these cables to higher-end HDMI Monster Cable that cost around $200 and my Audio Quest component cables and I think the bettercables produces better PQ. Good luck on cable shopping. It is a jungle out there!!
post #1938 of 9376
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

Actually only the 73" model in the 732 line has the 180watt bulb. All the 831 series sets have it though.

Thanks for the correction. I am only in the market for the 73" model therefore I assumed all xx732 model have the 180W light system.

BTW I ordered 73831 through local Tweeter dealer today for October delivery. they are giving 10% off on all TV through end of the month.

Does anyone know why the steep $1,800 price increase from 65831 MSRP $4200 to $6,000 for the 73", compared to $500-700 difference between the 57" to 65". The only answer I have is higher margin for Mistubishi. I like to think that there is more complicated and expensive circuitry to produce the same picture quality in the 73" model (compared to the 65" or 57" model) given the larger screen size. I welcome feedback from anyone who can make me feel better for spend $1800 for the added 8" screen size.
post #1939 of 9376
Mitsubishi does not post Contrast Ratio on any spec sheets but drilling into their FAQ section they actually answer the question:

"The Texas Instrument DLP chip we are using has a Contrast Ratio spec of 2500:1. Contrast ratios differ from screen size to screen size, and are also impacted by the amount of light in the room where the TV is being viewed."

Keep in mind that True Contrast ratio (rather than Dynamic Range Peak) beyond 2,000:1 is considered Excellent. The math becomes simple if the Dark Detailor takes it up four times then we're at 10,000:1 which is up there with the SXRD and Samsung - I'm presuming the 10K is Dynamic though since it's unlikely it could reach those levels otherwise since they both use the same DLP chip (Samsung)but perhaps the Mits processing takes it to another level as would the new screen on the 831 series.

Interesting they don't tout CR on any of the spec sheets and keep in mind 10K:1 isn't necessarily the limit several sets have been tested that surpass it - SXRD has tested out at 12-13K:1 and so I wouldn't think of 10K as a ceiling that the TV cannot go beyond they are estimates and it's not a good idea to overinflate those numbers as you leave your product vulnerable to bad press when evalulated by professional reviewers in the Lab.
post #1940 of 9376
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Originally Posted by hdtme View Post

uuuuuhhhh.......you could try reading the spec sheets on the Mitsubishi site? Is reading specs like asking driving directions for you?


As for your smart .... remark. As I said, the only difference posted anywhere including the Mits site is the screen unless someone else knows better and could let the rest of us know. I asked nicely and could use an imformative response that answers the question. Duhhhh.
post #1941 of 9376
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

Mitsubishi does not post Contrast Ratio on any spec sheets but drilling into their FAQ section they actually answer the question:

"The Texas Instrument DLP chip we are using has a Contrast Ratio spec of 2500:1. Contrast ratios differ from screen size to screen size, and are also impacted by the amount of light in the room where the TV is being viewed."

Keep in mind that True Contrast ratio (rather than Dynamic Range Peak) beyond 2,000:1 is considered Excellent. The math becomes simple if the Dark Detailor takes it up four times then we're at 10,000:1 which is up there with the SXRD and Samsung - I'm presuming the 10K is Dynamic though since it's unlikely it could reach those levels otherwise since they both use the same DLP chip (Samsung)but perhaps the Mits processing takes it to another level as would the new screen on the 831 series.

Interesting they don't tout CR on any of the spec sheets and keep in mind 10K:1 isn't necessarily the limit several sets have been tested that surpass it - SXRD has tested out at 12-13K:1 and so I wouldn't think of 10K as a ceiling that the TV cannot go beyond they are estimates and it's not a good idea to overinflate those numbers as you leave your product vulnerable to bad press when evalulated by professional reviewers in the Lab.


Now that is info I did not have for any sets. Thanks.
post #1942 of 9376
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Originally Posted by igorick View Post

Just FYI, it's actually the 65731 that has a MSRP of $3499. The 65732 is $3699....vs $4199 for the 65831.

Thanks for the correction.
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What I am getting tired of is people going into each forum and telling people what to buy. Let the people see the dam TV for themselves and make the judgment

What I don't get is people make it sound like the difference between an A2000 and a mits or Samsung, is so different, the difference is like an old CRT to a new TV which is bull. Most of the new TV (Sam, Sony, Mits) are all good. Don't make people tell you they are night and day, some are better for PQ buy an inch, bang for the buck etc). Which one you pick, you will be happy

I am so tired of these people and some of them don't even have a damn new TV. Get a damn LIFE! Or one day theMits is good, then in a different post it sucks, then they are on the Sony, then the Samsung. This forums are for Technical info etc, not BULL!
post #1944 of 9376
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Originally Posted by Cheeze View Post

I've ordered the 57-732 and I need a few cables. I don't want to go the Monster route since they are generally overpriced.

Good thinking. Having spent several years in the broadcast industry (FCC 1st P1-17-11478) I can tell you that on the studio and transmitter side of things, a cable is a cable and copper wire is copper wire. IMO there is utterly no way to cost-justify using an absurdly-priced cable when a conventional one (Belden, CommScope, etc) is available. Don't be snookered by the marketing hype.
post #1945 of 9376
liujer,

On the bettercables site I don't see any mention of an HDMI cable connector that keeps the cable from falling out. Where am I missing it?

Ruin
post #1946 of 9376
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Originally Posted by igorick View Post

My high def cable box has both HDMI and component outputs. If I were to use them both would one just override the other (assume HDMI would win out?) or will I be able to have two separate inputs, one HDMI and one component? If I can get two separate inputs into the TV that way will I then be able to use the PIP feature or am I missing something basic?

Figured some of the 731 owners could answer the above. Anyone? Just trying to understand if you use both the HDMI and component outputs of your cable box to your TV will that allow you to use the TV's picture-in-picture feature? Thanks.
post #1947 of 9376
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

Good thinking. Having spent several years in the broadcast industry (FCC 1st P1-17-11478) I can tell you that on the studio and transmitter side of things, a cable is a cable and copper wire is copper wire. IMO there is utterly no way to cost-justify using an absurdly-priced cable when a conventional one (Belden, CommScope, etc) is available. Don't be snookered by the marketing hype.

I totally agree! If you have Sam's Club in your area they are now carrying Philips cables of various types for about $11 to $22 each. They are nice cables, and have gold plated connectors. Same cables in Monster would be $30 to $110!!! Don't get Monster ripped off...buy something reasonable priced! Costco has a complete set of cables at a good price too.
post #1948 of 9376
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Originally Posted by dominica View Post

What I am getting tired of is people going into each forum and telling people what to buy. Let the people see the dam TV for themselves and make the judgment

What I don't get is people make it sound like the difference between an A2000 and a mits or Samsung, is so different, the difference is like an old CRT to a new TV which is bull. Most of the new TV (Sam, Sony, Mits) are all good. Don't make people tell you they are night and day, some are better for PQ buy an inch, bang for the buck etc). Which one you pick, you will be happy

I am so tired of these people and some of them don't even have a damn new TV. Get a damn LIFE! Or one day theMits is good, then in a different post it sucks, then they are on the Sony, then the Samsung. This forums are for Technical info etc, not BULL!

You are correct that all the 1080P TV's have excellent picture quality. The differences are indeed small, and the 'winner' in a comparison varies from store to store due to setup, feeds etc. I have carefully studied the major brand 1080P tv's in numerous stores the past few weeks. It is very hard to call a winner. The new MITS, SXRD, Sammy 87-88 series, and Toshiba 196 models are all great tv's!
post #1949 of 9376
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Originally Posted by igorick View Post

Figured some of the 731 owners could answer the above. Anyone? Just trying to understand if you use both the HDMI and component outputs of your cable box to your TV will that allow you to use the TV's picture-in-picture feature? Thanks.

The HDMI inputs are totally separate from the component. There is no "Video 1" with both a HDMI and Component on the same input. Each input is it's own separate selectable item - i.e. HDMI-1 HDMI-2 Component-1 Component-2 - there is nothing to override. It will show whatever you select. So that is not a problem. The problem will probably be that your cable box can only output 1 channel at at time. I could be wrong - I have DirectTV - but you probably cannot put the HDMI output on your cable box on one channel and your component on another at the same time. If you can, the TV should be able to do what you ask. Hope that helps!
post #1950 of 9376
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Originally Posted by liujer View Post

I don't know much about Mono cables, but I recently purchased HDMI cables from Bettercables.com via AVSForum's powerbuy thread. PQ is execllent on my HD-DVD player and Scientific Atlanta HD/DVR Cable Box. One reason why I bought this cable is their HDMI locking mechanism. You may or may not know HDMI plugs can easily be pull out (or disconnected) especially if the cable is thick and heavy. The locking mechanism locks the plug in place and it will not come loose. I have compared PQ of these cables to higher-end HDMI Monster Cable that cost around $200 and my Audio Quest component cables and I think the bettercables produces better PQ. Good luck on cable shopping. It is a jungle out there!!

I have cables from both Better Cables and Monoprice. Both Forum sponsors. I see no difference between the two except price. Monoprice is a good 60% cheaper!
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