2007 Mitsubishi WD-XX73X and XX831 Owner's Thread - Page 105

well i'm off deepfield imager. please disregard my earlier post, i don't know what it's doing exactly (maybe some kind of unsharp mask?) anyway, during the earlier game i was getting what looked like serious edge enhancements on the vikings jerseys. when i turned off the DFI, the picture was much smoother, not as biting. so i'm leaving it off. now i'm going to work on adjusting the contrast and sharpness a bit and see if i can come up with a nice medium

what does it look like?

You have to start with the settings that you are using for your TV. The new owners of 831 sets have been posting their first attempts so you could start there.

Your DVD player may have some settings that are causing trouble. One thing that can create trouble is that most new (and all old) DVD payers have a default setting that allows them to work with TVs with 4x3 screens. Double check your DVD player and if you haven't done it already, change it to match your 16x9 (wide) screen.

You can also get a copy of the DVE calibration disk from somewhere like Borders or Amazon. Here is a link to instructions that make DVE easier to use.

Eliab on user calibration with DVE.


That's true of SD DVD and SD TV source material. They were both designed to look OK on small screen CRT direct view TV sets.

When you take 480i (a small amount of data) up to 1080p (a large amount of data) the only way to make up for what is missing is to guess. Some hardware guesses better that other hardware. It's still a guess.

Still, good examples of movies transfered to DVD should look almost as good as a lot of HD material.

The only time you get the full benefit of your 1080p TV is when you are using an "uncompressed" 1080p or properly de-interlaced 1080i source material.


If other owner's settings and advise can't help you then the best alternative would be to get an exchange. It sounds like you are seeing faces of many colors. If you picked the right word to describe what you are seeing, the chances are you have a defective set.

Ever have trouble telling the time?

Maybe this but with color?

http://www.mathematik.com/Moire/

Not sure what exactly you mean by psychedelic effect, other than perhaps you are getting something called cross color which is usually caused by the DVD player. Or maybe its the beer. Since you obviously have a digital camera, can you post a jpg of what you're seeing.

Well said!

With the Mitsubishi corporate headquarters in Irvine you'd think Southern California would get some of the new 831's right away, wouldn't you? I've seen the 732's at Visual & Audio Superstore, Ken Crane's and Fry's, but I can't find the 831's. (And it appeared that Ken Crane's was getting rid of the Mitsubishi line from the store I visited. The salesguy said they wouldn't be carrying the Diamond line which is strange since Ken Crane's always carried the high end Mits line.) Have you tried Paul's in La Habra for the 831? He's always been a big Mitsubishi dealer.

La Habra is a little too far to drive, i'm at the coast. My local Magnolia is getting them the 22nd. There is a high end A/V store about 5 miles from me that will be carrying the 831's, i will check this weekend. I believe it's the same store (Visual & Audio) that you mentioned (not the same location). The one good thing about the Magnolia location is the guy showed me the spot where it will be. It's a good spot in the corner, very dark, i'll be able to simulate my home lighting. I really think i'm getting the 57831 based on what i have read here coupled with the fact the A2000 (my other choice) is showing signs of the green blob, red blob, purple blob etc. Been reading that thread also. The color bleeding has not been corrected by Sony which explains why they added an extra year warranty on the OB. The only thing i'm worried about (i don't see rainbows) is how satisfied i will be with shadow detail. i'm currently using an awesome Sony CRT.

yeah I was considering this stand as well but didn't know the dimensions of each individual shelve, need to know if my HTPC will fit , would you mind posting some specs LxWxH of the shelves? much thanks

Ok I have had 2 evenings to play with the tv settings and I wanted to try to respond to a few questions and provide my latest thoughts and opinions.

Center Channel Speaker
I do have my center channel speaker set on a shelf above my TV. I had this same setup on my original 61" Hitachi CRT and a Sony 60" XBR1. I do not think this is too high at all. I have even tilted it downward a little by placing a pice of wood under the back side of the center speaker. This aims the sound right at you. I tried placing the center speaker down below the tv and it never sounded that good.

RBE
I watched about 20 minutes of Sin City last night throughout different parts of the movie. The only way I ever saw RBE was when I would turn my head really fast and catch the tv out of the corner of my eye. I could never see it while watching normal straight into the screen. EVen looking around the screen (sitting 10' away) I could not see it. I watched several HD and SD shows last night and never saw it.

HD
Phenomenal richness and brightness of colors. Like your looking thru a window. I have been watching HD programing for over 4 years now and having 2 other HD big screens, I can say this Mits does do HD colors the best. However, I do feel the Sony XBR1 did the actual clarity of the picture better than the Mits, and I think this is due to the SSE that I am seeing. The further away I sit from the TV, the better the picture quality looks and SSE diminishes almost to zero.


Now for the BAD (in my opinion)

SSE
Like I mentioned above in the HD section. I do see it and was not used to seeing this on my CRT or SXRD because they don't have this issue. I don't know how other DLP's compare to this set. I hoped the High Contrast Screen would have eliminated this completely.

SD
I feel SD does not look as good compared to the Sony XBR1 I had or even the CRT. In the end I bought this TV for HDTV and movies (hopefully HD movies soon).

TV buzz or Hum from back of TV
I started noticing last night more of a buzz or hum from the back of the TV, my wife heard the same sounds. Cannot tell if it is the color wheel or the lamp or the electronics. It is not coming from where the connections are on the back of the TV, but if you look into the back thru the venting in the middle, you can see a small little fan spinning cooling something, it is coming from right in front of that or to the right of that where the lamp is. Again my CRT and Sony were very quite so this is a little annoying.


Nitpicks

Cloth Cover over the speakers
Mits could have went with a black instead of dark grey and just a high gloss plastic like the rest of the front. Not a real big deal for me since we all have to be careful anyway with our other speaker cloth covers, but a black should have been done regardless.

NetCommand
Not a big fan of this. I would rather just push the input button on the remote to cycle thru the plugged in components rather than having to open up the NetCommand screen and arrowing to the item I want. Again just a very small nitpick.

Picture Mode, Deep Field Imager, and Sharp Edge
I played with the features again last night.

I think I like the Picture Mode in Brilliant now (not Bright, which is the brightest).

Deep Field Imager
Looked good ON when rewatching some HD tennis programming I Tivo'd from Sunday.

Sharp Edge
I can now see what it is doing, but not sure I like it. Again when rewatching some HD tennis the whites really popped out almost 3D like. Other HD or SD programming I could hardly tell it was ON or OFF.

Perfect Color and Perfect Tint
Way too complicated and play off of each other so much that you could have 100 different setting and they all could look the same based on which way each one of these settings are set, but if you want to, have at it.

Memory card reader
I have not tried this yet but I'm sure it works just fine.

DV inputs
I have not tried this yet, but also should not be any issues with this.

XBOX
I have not had chance to play Xbox yet to see how it looks and for game lag. I will try to do this by the weekend.

Jasondan: Can you report how DVD's look? If I get the set it will be primarily for HD/Movies and one day HD Movies as well.

I'm curious how it looked.

How bad is the SSE. It's always bothered me on RPTV sets to the point I never wanted one. Is is gone enough that it doesn't drive you nuts.

How far away do you have to get to not see it?

Brilliant is by far the brightest. the Bright setting is actually closer to Natural and if you are going to change them, Bright would be better for daytime viewing and Natural for nightime. Brilliant does pop, it's just jacked up to look good on the showroom floor, and that's why it is the default.

oh, and the memory card on the 831 works great. ran a slideshow of the baby elephant from the st. louis zoo yesterday... excellent image quality on that screen. i also ran the overscan pattern off of the CF card at full resolution when i originally tested for that.

I saw this comment from RiPPn in the 831 owners thread and wanted to post it here and solicit feedback. Not quite the ringing endorsement of the 831 high contrast screen as we've previously heard. My 831 is still about 10 days away from delivery and I got a ridiculous price on it anyway...so I'm not fretting about the purchase. But this person didn't necessarily notice much of a difference in the screen, either in looks or in viewing angle.

"I think I read in another thread that someone said the 831 looks pitch black when off where the 731/732 look a lighter gray because the screen let ambient light in, this is not the case as all 3 sets looked the same off. With the sets on the picture was brighter on the 831 set, my girlfriend went as far as to say it was to bright and was washing colors out. I personal thought it looked really good, admittedly better than the 732, but this could be because of the 180watt lamp opposed to the 150watt and not because of the screen and the salesman insisted this was the reason for the difference. I then stood facing the 731 so I had the 732 to my left and the 831 to my right and was about at a 30 degree angle and the viewing angles looked about the same."

I read that thread and you should note however that he decided to return his 732 unopened and get the 831.

He said he liked the glossy finish of the 831 and felt it had a brighter picture than the 732.

You're in St.Louis!!!???!!!! I'm over in Collinsville. PM'd!

the SSE is very faint, and yes it's not nearly as apparent from 10 feet away (i think this is really the minimum seating distance for this set). it's nowhere near the degree of SSE that i'm accustomed to seeing on a RP. on some tvs, on very bright scenes, it appears to me SSE is very pronounced and covers the entire screen. i'm not really getting that from the 831. the SSE is very faint and appears a lot more localized. during the NBC pregame the other night, the picture was incredible but at one point, i caught a small amount of SSE, but it was only in the bright colored collar of one of the announcers. of course the only reason i really saw it was because i was looking for it.

the screen hasn't eliminated SSE completely, but its greatly diminished. and when you get a chance to see the non-glare/anti-reflective properties of the screen really in action (i've got one wall of windows, and a large mirror in the back of the room facing the screen) that little bit of SSE is going to be more than acceptable.

I already posted this in the other thread, but I suggest a seperate tweaks/settings thread like the one for the A2000.
I would start it myself but it would feel right since I don't have my set yet

That's good to hear. I"m going to go get my first look at the 732 today. (Hopefully the 831 will be in soon)

We have blackout blinds in our movie room so glare in not really an issue but it's good to hear SSE is not very noticiable. That's what I'm imagining from what I've seen where it's all over the picture. If it's not very frequent I could live with that. Shoot plasma will have some type of artifact every so often.

I plan on at least getting an OPPO for HDMI DVD so that hopefully will look fine.

this is what the Brilliant setting does. if it was so bright that they felt that things were being washed out, and they were looking at the set on the showroom floor, then they were probably watching it in Brilliant mode, and yes, that setting is way too much. there are enough settings on this tv to make it as deep and rich as you want it to be. or you can go the bright, eye-popping direction of Brilliant.

if you're sitting at least 10' away, you'll probably see very little of it, or none at all. and then you'll be glad your not looking at your own reflection when the screen goes dark...

oh, and my oppo is supposed to be delivered today!

Let me know what kind of difference it makes on DVD!

So ae you saying you trust the opinion of a poster who has only seen this set in a showroom environment for a few minutes over posters like myself and Smeeg who actually have these sets in our homes and have been tweaking them for the last few days and are absoultey delighted with the pq?

hehe

i think everyone also needs to keep in mind that the defaults for the tv have the DeepField Imager on, Brilliant mode on, and the contrast maxed out. in my opinion, thats way too extreme, but that's what you'll probably be seeing in stores

[quote=SailorKane]Actually, based on a calculator that has been presented on one of these forums, the optimum THX distance for a 65" diagonal TV is between 7.3'-10.2'. The closer distance is 36 degrees field of view and represents the front row of a theatre. The 10.2 represents 26 degrees and is supposed to be the back row. "SMPTE" distance is 8.8' and represents 30 degrees. These distances are for a "total immersion" feel of a theatre.[/QUOTE

I sit 10" away based on the formula you used would a 73 to big for me? I debating with my wife on this.

Off topic side note.

I saw King Kong playing on a Sony 1080P plasma and Tosh HD-DVD .

One word. INCREDIBLE.

I didn't hink Kong was available on HD-DVD yet

I don't think it is. I bet they were playing an upconverted DVD. I bet the price was nice on the 1080p plasma.

That's the main thing keeping me away from plasma's this time around. For a 1080p plasma the price is


Parasite: I know when I was talking with my local dealer he thought at 9ft that 73" was too big but 65" should be ok.

Basically what he told me is if you have to move your eyes to take in the entire screen then it'll end up bothering you and giving you a headache if you primarily watch that TV.

IMO if this was only going to be the watch a movie set then I would get the biggest I could. Since I'll be going from 7 ft to 10 (if I can rearrange my room) I'll get the 65"