2007 Mitsubishi WD-XX73X and XX831 Owner's Thread - Page 14

Originally Posted by DJL53

I'm hoping this test is not an accurate indication of our susceptibility to seeing RBE on DLP TV's. 5 of 5 in my home saw an obvious rainbow effect on the upper text but none saw it on the lower. If this proves accurate then my decision of A2000 SXRD vs. Mits DLP was just made easier.

Originally Posted by DJL53

I'm hoping this test is not an accurate indication of our susceptibility to seeing RBE on DLP TV's. 5 of 5 in my home saw an obvious rainbow effect on the upper text but none saw it on the lower. If this proves accurate then my decision of A2000 SXRD vs. Mits DLP was just made easier.

Originally Posted by FutureProof HDTV

I don't believe this to be an accurate test to see if someone is susceptible to RBE. As I posted earlier in this thread, I purchased a brand new 57' Sammy DLP for my daughter about 3 months ago with the slower color wheel version. I have yet to see anything like that on the screen, or any RBE for that matter. Does not mean others won't see it though.

I also observe the same results with this "rainbow test", rainbow blur on moving text at the top, and nothing on the bottom text. If this were indeed a design flaw of all DLP TVs, wouldn't I have seen RBE on my Sammy and in this test? Or, if I were the type of person that was not susceptible to seeing RBE in DLP TVs, wouldn't I have missed seeing the RBE on top text in this test? Again, is this a eye-brain coordination individual thing, or a desgn flaw of all DLP models? SXRDs have not addressed the "green blob" issues as of yet, so not so sure about those putting them out there as any alternative to the DLP based models.

Originally Posted by DJL53

I'm hoping this test is not an accurate indication of our susceptibility to seeing RBE on DLP TV's. 5 of 5 in my home saw an obvious rainbow effect on the upper text but none saw it on the lower. If this proves accurate then my decision of A2000 SXRD vs. Mits DLP was just made easier.

Originally Posted by tranzixter

Compared 731,SXRD & 6187 at Frys

They had the Mits, Sony, Samsung TVs at Frys all with the same satellite feed and fairly close to one another to be able to quickly move back and forth. Also all TVs were hooked up with component video inputs. This particular Frys has a dimmed viewing area making it a bit nicer on the eye. They had the same feed from HD network to all TVs. Some kind of swimsuit thing was going on that I guess got a bit to sexy so they changed the channel to another HD.

while view the same material on all 3 TVs, Off the bat, the SXRD was obviously NOT the choice!. Muted picture and dim compared to either the Mits or the Samsung. Overall PQ wise, an easy non choice. For 2005 yr, DLP to SXRD models comparison, it took me some time to choose what I felt was the best PQ, but I was surprised how quick and easy it was to now reject SXRD based on PQ choice and certainly even more reject it when you consider its decreased functionality, significantly more expense price and 1080P input choice compared to 2007 DLPs.

Mits and Samsung, so close PQ wise I would say Id have to make decision on screen size choice, features, and cost only. I could not choose one picture over the other. Mits has a nicer cabinet.
Mits has PIP, dont think 87 model Samsung does.

I had the salesman put some local 4;3 SD material on both sets, again from satellite. Owiiiee! Very bad!. Both sets identically bad. Much much worse then I expected and that I currently enjoy with my XBR RPTV. Based on that, I was so dissapointed I felt I could not purchase a HDTV any time soon. This due to fact that most of our TV watching is SD with the few HD channels offered on cable. In this bad picture, I could obviously see the satellite video was highly compressed and could be a lot of the problem.

The salesman had a good idea and put a 2006 72" 1080P Mits on rabbit ears for a SD channel and he said it should give a good idea of what the 2007s TV can do or how bad the satellite feed or their distribution is. Couldnt do SD for the 2007 models we were looking at. Great PQ for SD now when coming in direct off antenna and using TV tuner! As good at my XBR RPTV and this with a 73" screen. I have cable and all the SD channels are digitized now, so I think ill have great SD picture on either of the mfrs 2007s DLPS.

Now Im just waiting for the 65732 to show up. Perfect size for me and at this point I feel I could buy Mits without any hesitation.

Originally Posted by paxi

Take this kids review with a teency grain of salt - just posts under several pseudonames to trash the SXRD

Originally Posted by fitterguy73

WOW, finally got to see the 57731 since Fry's had it. I only had to drive 40 min to get there. Detail on the pic looked INCREDIBLE!!! I had a similar experience to a previous post where they had it sitting next to a Sammy HLS6187W and I couldn't believe the difference. The store must have been on the same feed as the guy who was at Fry's on the previous post because they had some girl on the screen in pasties and they quickly changed it. Then it was a show of a Baja race. The detail on the bushes and the desert floor looked amazing on the Mits. Though the screen seemed a bit brighter on the sammy when they were side by side you couldn't see any detail on the bushes in the sammy as you could with the Mits. More blacks than anything on the sammy while the 731 you could make out amazing detail. My wife even thought the Mits colors just looked WAY more natural than the sammy's. That amazed me since I heard there wasn't much dark detail on the 731 series. My only grip was unless I put the Mits on Brilliant color it looked dim on the natural setting. To get it to match the sammy for brightness on the natural setting I had to crank up brightness setting to almost 3/4 of the total range. I would be curious to see what PBM or anyone else who has one already uses as their so called "default" setting for color. Now I know this was all done on a crappy feed in the store and I'm sure the calibrations were less than desirable on either. The sales rep did say that 2 days ago when the Mits rep was there and he was done fiddling with it the screen looked 10x better than when I had it to my liking. After seeing the 731 in action its getting Harder to wait for the 732 or trhe 831. ESPECIALLY, after my sony RP KP-61S70 took a crap this morning after 6 years. Hence, that's what sparked the trip to Fry's. Guess I'll just have to call the service tech and suffer longer until the next series (732 or 831) are released.

Originally Posted by beegscreenenvy

IMHO I read this entirely as a review for the DLPs. It had some good info, especially regarding SD. A comment like that probably comes from brand loyalty vs objective comparison.

Originally Posted by beegscreenenvy

its very clear your the troll here. thanks AVS for the ignore feature.

Originally Posted by DJL53

I'm very glad that was just a simulation of RBE and not a test, thanks you all for pointing that out as I am very much interested in a 57 or 65732 but still await reports from owners after the honeymoon period to see if issues surface after the first month or so.

Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist

I added him to my ignore list yesterday.

Originally Posted by FutureProof HDTV

I got suckered in on that one as well, and should have seen it coming! It would make sense that you would need a DLP color wheel display unit in order to conduct a "true" RBE DLP test. Any simulation test of RBE on a non-DLP set or display, would defeat the purpose, and should not be considered accurate testing of one's cerebellum.

Originally Posted by DJL53

Maybe I’m making too big of a deal about RBE but I do not want the hassle of returning the set.

Originally Posted by htwaits

It's a 100% certainty that sets have the "potential" to be returned.

Originally Posted by DJL53

I thought that web site might be a test to see if the viewer had a tendency to be affected by RBE. I agree, an actual accurate RBE test would probably involve flashing 6 primary colors at you at the same rate as a wheel spinning at 14,400 RPM while forcing you to move your eyes back and forth. Maybe I'm making too big of a deal about RBE but I do not want the hassle of returning the set.

Originally Posted by DJL53

I'm just trying to reduce the odds of a return by doing my homework first. This will be my 1st HD set and I'm hoping to make a purchase in Sept/Oct.

Originally Posted by FutureProof HDTV

I would suggest waiting for further in-home owner reviews here in this forum concerning both these models, before being hassled with the burden of returning big screen sets. I also would want to first hear some in-home reviews of the 732 and 831 Mitsu's models with the dark detailer option whenever released, to see if RBE reports is as relevant.

Originally Posted by htwaits

You need a room with good lighting that matches what you have at home -- daytime and night.

Originally Posted by DJL53

Watching the series in HD, Yanks or no, will greatly improve the WAF because she's a huge fan of the game.

Originally Posted by DJL53

Plan on spending a few lunch hours over at J&R Music World a few blocks from where I work in downtown NY. They have a few DLP's including Sammy HLS (no Mits) in a semi darkened room. I haven't seen RBE yet. Thanks for your advice.

Originally Posted by FutureProof HDTV

I have also heard reports of these big chain stores not accepting returns on expensive items within the 30 day exchange period if a damage claim is made during shipping, until after an investigation has been performed.

Originally Posted by htwaits

The return policy for Magnolia Audio Video (not the combo BB/Magnolia Home Theater stores) is "for any reason".

I paid $40 for delivery for our first set (Jan, 2003). I returned the set for a refund because I wanted to wait for the next (better?) model year. My cost was the delivery charge. The whole arrangement was with the branch manager, not a salesman. It was a new policy for Magnolia.

A year and a half later I bought our second set with an option to trade it for a different model that was supposed to be available soon. That set was a demo and I paid a one time $25 delivery charge.

Because of changes at Samsung, that set was exchanges six months later for a new set. There was no delivery charge for the exchange. In fact there was a small refund due to price changes.

I've read that the manager's attitude at the big box stores can make a difference in how they interpret their return policy. I would want it in writing from the manager.

If a separate shipping company is involved it can be a difficult situation. Fed Ex made me wait six months for an insurance claim (~$3,000) when the item had gone missing at the Fed Ex depot in the destination city. They used the old "repeated request for further information" method.

Originally Posted by FutureProof HDTV

Wow. Sounds like you will be making all your future a/v purchases through Magnolia Audio Video! We don't have that store here on the east coast, but I sure wish we did with those shipping rates and easy return policies!

Originally Posted by FutureProof HDTV

I just googled that store name, and see that we do have stores (Mag A/V home theater stores w/BB), here on the east coast, but not the Mag A/V store you are referring too. Do you know if Mag A/V Home Theater/BB, has the same echange policy as BB?