2007 Mitsubishi WD-XX73X and XX831 Owner's Thread - Page 147

Okay, understood. For 20 or so years I supplemented my income as a part time (union) motion picture machine operator (I.A.T.S.E.'s official name for a theater projectionist) both indoor and outdoor (Ozoner). After a year's apprenticeship and some training by a couple of the old-timers the job made me hypersensitive to presentation problems and later found myself enjoying "going to the movies" much less because instead of watching the movie I would sit there and critique everything about the presentation, from optics to accoustics, tightness of gate springs, gate jumping due to poorly made splices, switching early before the second queue marks, etc.

If you ever get the opportunity, a family outing to the Lorraine Theater in tiny little Hoopeston, Illinois (120 miles S of Chgo) is worth the trip. There you will witness some of the finest, most modern presentation optics, brightest xenon lamps and 8-channel sound systems available today. The little 575-seat Lorraine is equipped for both 70 & 35mm film stock and is planning to add digital video capability next year..... all for a town of 4,200 people. Obviously this is a hobby for the fellow who owns it.

Cap'n Preshoot,

Thanks for the info. If I ever find myself in that neck of the woods, that theater will be the first stop on my agenda. I've also worked in movie houses many years ago but as a manager, and I came to admire many union projectionists. When I moved to Burbank, CA (the home of several movie studios) in the late 70's there was only one public movie theater in the entire city. And it was a drive-in.

Likely it's not your set.
Where's the signal coming from, OTA or from your new D* receiver? From your symptoms my initial guess would be you're watching MPEG-4 compressed video from one of the new KA-band satellites and likely therefore using one of D*'s new AT9 sat dishes.

How do I know this? Because I also have one and the MPEG-4 compressed video on the Houston stations looks like crap, especially on camera zoom-in shots for a couple secs until things stabilize. MPEG-4 compression does a poor job on action sports. Fortunately I am not a prisoner of MPEG-4 compressed locals. I am able to get all of my locals OTA with a small Radios Hack corner-reflector/yagi antenna mounted on the corner of my chimney

Don't fault the TV set. Call up DTV and bitch. The more of us call and complain the better chance of getting it fixed or at least improved.

I agree with you with respect to last year's Mitsubishis. But not this year's. Have you measured those?

Admittedly, I'm not a TV technician, and don't use technical equipment to measure color accuracy. But color accuracy--true color, not fantasy color--is quite important to me. To my eye, this year's Mitsubishis have more accurate color out of the box when using the "Low" color temperature.

But I will defer to an objective measurement of this year's Mitsubishis, once that becomes available.

I've been noticing this as well. I can't figure out if its my set, or 8300hd cable box compressing everything. I always look at the field for a true measure of sharpness, as my previous Pioneer Elite 1100hd plasma would let you see detailed strands of grass even when the camera was at normal distance. I see that blotchy stuff on the field right now and I have tweaked this set to death. lol

Well, I'm a 732 owner and while I like to think thatthe 732 has the high contrastscreen, I must say that it really doesn't...at least not the same so called "high contrast" screen though.
I must admit that the 732's screen has very similar properties as those of the 831.

Check out some of Smeeg's posts on setting colors. He had a lot to say about the greens. However, I agree that most of what you probably saw was source-related.

It seems that we all now have some of the best TV's on the planet, and the source material has yet to catch up with it. At least we have "future-proofed" ourselves.

Peace.

PS: How has the plasma "fixed" the burnin issue? I thought it was inherent in the technology.

In regards to the plasma burn-in issue:
Word of mouth...that's it..not sure if accurate

I am a technician and yes, I have measured and was refering to this year's models of Mitsubishis. The primaries are pretty close OOB but the secondaries are not. They can be brought in close with alignment, however. Once calibrated it is surprising how similar the SXRD and Mits DLPs are. There are things to like and dislike about both but the are fine products.

If you want correct color have your set calibrated. Typically, the gray scale is too low on the low setting and far to high on the high setting and like I said, the secondaries need work. You can play with it visually and maybe get good results, but the color decoding is tough to get right without some practice and the right tools.

I am also interested in knowing the speed of the color wheel!

how do you calibrate out the green glob?

it does...they are identical

nothing like your describe. Just the opposite. I can imagine there could be a finer picture. We have cable. maybe its issues with satellite compression and losing some of the fidelity of the original signal.?

You really should stop posting your nonsense man. If you set both tv's on the same settings that is mistake number one. Number 2 the high contrast screen is the material the screen is made from is designed to cut down the amount of light that escapes the screen and increase the amount of light going out, which would make it have brighter whites and blacker blacks. Your issue is that fact that since you didnt want to pony up for the 831, you want to bash it on this thread. Anyone here who actually understands this technology and can do some real world critical viewing by optimizing both the 732, and 831 for a comparison will easily see the 831 is a significant step in light output, contrast, black level, and color contrast. Another thing if someone else says they compared both tv's by first making the settings the same first I swear I'm going to hang myself the from the rafters.

Largdiag, how do you know this? because when I compared the two, I thought the 831 has a bit more 3D while viewing up close shots of people's faces.

BTW I founf this warranty whic I thought is pretty good...better than P$$$ C$$$ ...

http://www.newworldvideodirect.com/p...productid=1377

It has both the 5 yr Repair Master and the 3 yr bulb warranty combined.

I suspect most here require some objective proof of your assertion, esp. since Mits' website lists the screen for the 831 but not for the 732. Also, no dealer who went to the line show has reported being told that the 732 has the high contrast screen. Though some see no difference between the two sets, most do see differences in picture quality, with the real issue being whether those differences are worth the $. For example, a number of people have said the 831 provides a deeper, more tangible image ("Plasmalike"), which effect would not be due to a brighter bulb.

Again, I saw no difference under bright lights running the 1080p Mits demo, but there were palpable (albeit not glaring) distinctions in darkened conditions with a 1080i DTV feed.

OTA - Watch a movie in HD that you're very familiar with and adjust the settings of the set as appropriate

STB - Same as OTA, above, or record HDNet's test patterns sent out early Tuesday morning (There's a link somewhere in this thread to a whole write-up on how to use the HDNet patterns)

You can't "translate" settings between the two because they don't apply. What works for your DVD player is almost guranteed to not be the same for the STB.

I have the 52725 and my parents received their 57732 almost three weeks ago. I always thought my 52725 was superb but I am completely spoiled by their 57732. If you can afford the 831, then why not. But you will be supremely impressed with just the 57732. (If you're used to the NetCommand setup of the 52725, then this year's sets will irritate you a bit as they've changed a lot of how it works as well as introduced a bug or two)

Speaking of bugs. My 52725 has received three firmware updates in its lifetime. One would assume that Mitsu will be releasing firmware updates for the new sets at some point. Should a thread be started to list, track, and discuss firmware-addressable bugs for the 2006.5-2007 Mitsus?

The one bug I've found is that, after NetCommand has been fully setup to control an AVR, it will do everythign but turn the AVR on and off. (this works just fine on my older 52725 and the new set does power on and off the cable STB attached to it)

HOLY SHNIKIES!! thats a great price.

RudyMeister- have you purchased from this site before?
Can anyone else confirm that this is a legit site to purchase from? Ive never heard of them.

GREAT find-Thanks!

Never purchased anything from them but...this is a warranty purchase. Note the price of the TV $2500 and under ....but it's still cheap.

Once you purchase the warranty, you basically deal with Repair Master afterwards anyway. You then register with Repair Master etc..

They are a CNET certified store...have paypal..amex...etc...

He might be an annoyance and have no credibility due to his obvious and unfair anti-SXRD blather, but he is right on this issue. I checked and the part numbers for the screens are the same, as I said in an earlier post.

Sorry I ddn't see your post earlier...but what???????????????


WoW!!!!! is this a typo mistake by Mits?

Since SSE has to do with the screen, the viewing position, and the intensity of the image, what you have seen likely has more to do with the alignment of the set and the viewing conditions, since the screens are the same. If you call the parts department and ask for the part number and pricing of both the fresnel lens and the lenticular screen you will find that they are identical in the two sets.

Can you call thema again and make sure they didn't make a mistake?

It's easy to make such a mistake

If the screens are the same, then that 180W bulb is doing some very incredible things because the sets are otherwise the same optically.

yes. the 831 and the 732 do wonderful things optically.....and identically.

For those concerned about the qualities (or lack thereof) of the Mitsubishi 73", check out the thread on the Samsung 71" HL-S7178W. Appears to be happy owners over there and the Samsung costs a lot less and has a five color wheel.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2&page=1&pp=30

Found this company which has a BBB report. The report seems to show they're a good company.

http://americanesuperstore.stores.ya.../rmt52500.html

OK, to eliminate the neverending conjecture, this is directly from the Mits site detailing the feature upgrades from the 732 to the 831:

Models WD-57831, WD-65831, WD-73831
From 732 Series adds:
New! High Gloss Black Finish
New! High Contrast Screen
New! TurboLight 180TM
New! Redesigned Fully-Illuminated remote
New! Additional Simple Remote
Front IEEE1394 w/ DV Decoder

I'm not vouching for the accuracy of this information, I'm just a messenger.