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post #5851 of 9376
10/21/06 at 5:14pm
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My VP50 used with a 65732 does an excellant job of improving SD. Even standard VHS tapes look pretty good.

What, specifically, does it improve?
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post #5852 of 9376
10/21/06 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by lcaillo View Post

What, specifically, does it improve?

Sharpness and detail, large reduction in noise and deinterlacing artifacts, but by far the biggest improvement is how it enriches color, bringing color far closer to the quality of color you would get from a DVD. Don't get me wrong, it's still VHS tape, but the VP50/65732 makes it so that even after watching a DVD I can stomach a tape (and as long as DVD has been around, I still have a handful of films that are only available on tape).
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post #5853 of 9376
10/21/06 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by CJayB View Post

My VP50 used with a 65732 does an excellant job of improving SD. Even standard VHS tapes look pretty good.

Hmmm......$3000 to improve SD on an HDTV. Interesting.
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post #5854 of 9376
10/21/06 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by Ruin View Post

Heck, what are the ethics of buying TV after TV, different models, different manufacturers, same models with some percieved minor flaw, etc. etc. in search of the elusive, and non-existant, perfect TV? There are some individuals on these boards that account for half a dozen returned TVs before they settle on one.
Everyone is watching their 30 day return period like a hawk just in case they hear something that might convince them that maybe abother TV might perhaps in one category outdo their TV. The whole things is rediculous.

I am reading the boards continually to get as much info as I can BEFORE I purchase, and when I do buy my (probably 65831) I am going to enjoy the hell out of it. It is only going to be returned if it comes with some major flaw from misshandling or something. If you make a purchase, and there is nothing really wrong with it, you should keep it.

But..forget about the ethics, we are on this board to talk about TVs.

Ruin

I've been reading this site for over a month now, but never had something to say until now. I bought the very first 57831 at my local UE store in St. Louis West County on Sep 9th. Right off the bat I loved the set. There were a couple of OTA HD PBS programs that were so sharp they appeared at times to be 3D. What I didn't like was the fan noise. It seemed to come on and stay at the same pitch, not start out high for a few seconds, and then reduce speed, and thus pitch. I waited until my 30th day, and I went back to UE, and traded up for the 65831 for an additional $450. I could have traded pretty much even for the 65732, but I wanted the diamond. This unit's fan comes on at the same higher pitch level of the 57"; however, it drops significantly after about 10-15 seconds. It is then discernable at even a lower sound level.
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post #5855 of 9376
10/21/06 at 6:17pm
Constant Staus Yellow Light

Well my cherry of a TV (57-732) turned a bit sour. The wife called me and said the yellow status light was a on and the TV had just shut down on her. So I get home from work, the TV is off, and the Staus light is a contant yellow.

I turn on the TV and a message appears saying to cool down the room or something to that nature and that the tv will shut down soon...it did, after about 15 seconds. So I call Mitz and they ask me if I can here the fan running. I check and it's pretty darn quiet. So they say it's probably a bad fan and call an authorized repair center.

Anyone out there have this problem? If not, do you all agree that its the fan? This all happened Friday and today I umplugged it. Should I plug it back in a and see if it works? The repair guy is coming out on Monday
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post #5856 of 9376
10/21/06 at 6:30pm
Interesting. I just had my 65831 calibrated on Thursday. I know we changed the RGB gain values to acheive 6500. On Wed night I noticed something was wrong so I checked the ISR menu settings and all the gain values were back to default.

My calibrator came back out last night and re-set up the grayscale. This time we recorded the settings :-). However, this afternoon I had to unplug the set to swap out the stand. Watching TV again something looked weird. Low and behold the gain values were again back to defaults for both low and high settings.

Not quite sure if unplugging the set has something to do with it (don't remember unplugging it the other day). However, the SPA and user menu settings were retained.

So I guess my word to the wise is if you have the set calibrated or make any SM changes, make sure you record the values.

FYI, grayscale tracking on this set is very, very good. However, color accuracy is impossible due to CCA not being enabled for the ISR menu. Hopefully, MITS can upgrade this as it is really bothering me that my colors are not 100%.
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post #5857 of 9376
10/21/06 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

Hmmm......$3000 to improve SD on an HDTV. Interesting.

Why would anyone pay $3k for a VP50? That's silly.

Please, don't question my intelligence, or the intelligence of anyone who wants to get the most out of their system.

I paid $995 as an upgrade. And the VP50 was not purchased to improve SD. It was purchased to improve everything (OK, maybe not my sex life, but you get the idea!). Now for under $4k I have an image that will surpass nearly any other monitor out there in its size range, even ones costing $6 to $10k.

What I would ask is why anyone would purchase one of the 1080p native rate Mitsu monitors and not want to feed it 1080p?

I have a friend who is a feature film director, and with his help and also using his cinematographer and using a 2K transfer to DVD of his film that he supervised to look as close to the original theatrical showing as possible, I've calibrated my system so that it approaches the quality of the $30k professional monitors he used. That would be impossible without a little help from the VP50. I also had the benefit of watching a 35mm print of his film projected in a screening room at a top-notch lab.
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post #5858 of 9376
10/21/06 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by GungaAV View Post

BangedUp
Were these color settings before and after? If not, why the big difference in say the Yellow
and green?

Thew first number is PerfectColor and the second number is PerfectTint.
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post #5859 of 9376
10/21/06 at 6:46pm
Does anyone have a discrete code to use to go directly to the ilink? I have all the other inputs just missing the ilink.
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post #5860 of 9376
10/21/06 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by jnelson2000 View Post

Interesting. I just had my 65831 calibrated on Thursday. I know we changed the RGB gain values to acheive 6500. On Wed night I noticed something was wrong so I checked the ISR menu settings and all the gain values were back to default.

My calibrator came back out last night and re-set up the grayscale. This time we recorded the settings :-). However, this afternoon I had to unplug the set to swap out the stand. Watching TV again something looked weird. Low and behold the gain values were again back to defaults for both low and high settings.

Not quite sure if unplugging the set has something to do with it (don't remember unplugging it the other day). However, the SPA and user menu settings were retained.

So I guess my word to the wise is if you have the set calibrated or make any SM changes, make sure you record the values.

FYI, grayscale tracking on this set is very, very good. However, color accuracy is impossible due to CCA not being enabled for the ISR menu. Hopefully, MITS can upgrade this as it is really bothering me that my colors are not 100%.

Did he hit enter after making the changes?
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post #5861 of 9376
10/21/06 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by lcaillo View Post

Did he hit enter after making the changes?

Yes, each value said done to the left.
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post #5862 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by jnelson2000 View Post

Yes, each value said done to the left.

go down to the cca option under the gain controls and change the setting to 1 and hit enter. then change it back to 0 and hit enter again. don't know why it saves the settings after that but it does.

you can test it by doing a restore in the sm
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post #5863 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by Smeeg View Post

go down to the cca option under the gain controls and change the setting to 1 and hit enter. then change it back to 0 and hit enter again. don't know why it saves the settings after that but it does.

you can test it by doing a restore in the sm

Huh?
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post #5864 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by jnelson2000 View Post

Huh?

after you scroll down through the 6 gain options, the next control is CCA. change the setting to 1 and hit enter. then change the setting back to 0 and hit enter again.

to make sure your settings were saved, while in the service menu, type 2-4-5-7-0 and select restore. if your settings were saved, they'll still be there.
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post #5865 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:19pm
That really is confusing. have you tried to save just the gains and do a restore? What happens then?
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post #5866 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by jnelson2000 View Post

That really is confusing. have you tried to save just the gains and do a restore? What happens then?

usually the tv's defaults return
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post #5867 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:22pm
not by the set right now. However, try this. Change a gain value. Save it (just the value) and unplug the power and see if it resets the value.
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post #5868 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by jnelson2000 View Post

not by the set right now. However, try this. Change a gain value. Save it (just the value) and unplug the power and see if it resets the value.

can't do it... watchin' the cards
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post #5869 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by Smeeg View Post

can't do it... watchin' the cards

GO CARDS!
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post #5870 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:32pm
How is the SSE on the mitsu when compared to the SXRD and the JVC?
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post #5871 of 9376
10/21/06 at 7:41pm
I need some advice really bad. Please help me.

Quick background... I purchased a 65-732 from Vann's. They are in Montana and I am in Tennessee. The first set arrived and had a puncture hole through the box and a deep scratch on the screen. Vann's agreed to crossship me a new set but there were two charges on my credit card.

Now the new set has arrived. I noticed that near the top bezel there was some plastic stuff convering part of the screen that was very visible. I had already unpackaged everything and had everything setup. So I took a small butter knife and picture hanger thing and very very carefully pushed the plastic back up into the bezel.

Now when I am at any realistic viewing angle at all, I cannot see any imperfections at all with the set. But if I get my face really close to the screen and look up into the bezel, I can see the light reflected off the messed up rubber thing between the bezel and the screen.

I am sort of getting obessive about it. This imperfection is starting to drive me crazy even though I cannot see it at all when watching the set. Just knowing that it is there is bothering me. I went to Best Buy tonight to look at the floor model and did not see any of this.

So please advise me. I wish I never tried to save money and order this off the internet. Vann's has a 14 day return policy though. Should I return it and buy local, even if it ends up costing me a few hundred more. Should I get Vann's to swap it out again? I still have two charges on my card from the last swap!

Arrg!
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post #5872 of 9376
10/21/06 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by Mr D View Post

Would any new Mits buyers please comment on if any excessive noise from either the fan or other components?
I am holding back from buying a 65831 mostly because there has been that issue, thanks.

I GOT ONE OF THE FIRST SETS.. 65831
Can't hear it in a quite room 3ft away.
My screen is beautiful in bright room or blackout drapes down and dirty.
Now that I see all are saying what they paid...
2999 for the TV only...
powerbuy section...Got Mac warrenty for 285 +2 bulbs.. set was delivered on the 12th sept..
709 hes...
1080p on dell pc... run all video thru my pc... BLOWS AWAY OPO... Returned opo
firewire drive working great on netcommand

do I have critisms?
Small things that maybe future software upgrades will improve TV software... A REASON TO GET 65831..
i THINK THE FIREWIRE PORTS SHOULD BE IN 6 PIN ON tv AS 4 PIN IS FOR SMALL STUFF.. EASIER TO PLUG IN
mY SCREEN IS FROSTY COOL AND awesome
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post #5873 of 9376
10/21/06 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by Smeeg View Post

after you scroll down through the 6 gain options, the next control is CCA. change the setting to 1 and hit enter. then change the setting back to 0 and hit enter again.

to make sure your settings were saved, while in the service menu, type 2-4-5-7-0 and select restore. if your settings were saved, they'll still be there.

Just tried it. Changed GBL. Saved settings by hitting enter. Set CCA to 0. Saved settings. Set CCA to 1 saved settings. Exited SM. Menu 2-4-5-7 then 0. Restore backup. Settings are back to default.
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post #5874 of 9376
10/21/06 at 9:43pm
Got my WD-57732 and matching stand delivered today. I ended up negotiating a great deal from my local Video Only store.

My Setup:

- Motorola DCT3412 I (Comcast: Seattle, WA) - HDMI to DVI-1 on the Marantz
- Panasonic DVD-S97S - HDMI to DVI-2 on the Marantz
- Marantz SR8500 Receiver - DVI to HDMI-1 on the Mitsubishi
- Dell Precision M90 Notebook/HTPC - DVI to HDMI-2 on the Mitsubishi
- Xbox 360 - Component to Component-1 on the Mitsubishi

Everything works. LOL!

There is a lot of overscan using the PC @ 1080p-60 over HDMI or DVI. It was easily fixed using nVidia's NVKeystone and now the 1920x1080 desktop goes edge-to-edge.

My only complaint so far is I can "see" some kind of effect caused by the screen. It looks "sparkly" when the display is showing bright, light colors. That's about the only way I can describe it. I'm guessing this is the SSE I've read about.

I'm still tweaking the settings. I'll be using DVE in a few minutes on each of the inputs.
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post #5875 of 9376
10/21/06 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by tenguru View Post

I GOT ONE OF THE FIRST SETS.. 65831
Can't hear it in a quite room 3ft away.
My screen is beautiful in bright room or blackout drapes down and dirty.
Now that I see all are saying what they paid...
2999 for the TV only...
powerbuy section...Got Mac warrenty for 285 +2 bulbs.. set was delivered on the 12th sept..
709 hes...
1080p on dell pc... run all video thru my pc... BLOWS AWAY OPO... Returned opo
firewire drive working great on netcommand

do I have critisms?
Small things that maybe future software upgrades will improve TV software... A REASON TO GET 65831..
i THINK THE FIREWIRE PORTS SHOULD BE IN 6 PIN ON tv AS 4 PIN IS FOR SMALL STUFF.. EASIER TO PLUG IN
mY SCREEN IS FROSTY COOL AND awesome

did that high contrast screen make a big difference for your PQ?
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post #5876 of 9376
10/21/06 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by jdaniel284 View Post

I need some advice really bad. Please help me.

Quick background... I purchased a 65-732 from Vann's. They are in Montana and I am in Tennessee. The first set arrived and had a puncture hole through the box and a deep scratch on the screen. Vann's agreed to crossship me a new set but there were two charges on my credit card.

Now the new set has arrived. I noticed that near the top bezel there was some plastic stuff convering part of the screen that was very visible. I had already unpackaged everything and had everything setup. So I took a small butter knife and picture hanger thing and very very carefully pushed the plastic back up into the bezel.

Now when I am at any realistic viewing angle at all, I cannot see any imperfections at all with the set. But if I get my face really close to the screen and look up into the bezel, I can see the light reflected off the messed up rubber thing between the bezel and the screen.

I am sort of getting obessive about it. This imperfection is starting to drive me crazy even though I cannot see it at all when watching the set. Just knowing that it is there is bothering me. I went to Best Buy tonight to look at the floor model and did not see any of this.

So please advise me. I wish I never tried to save money and order this off the internet. Vann's has a 14 day return policy though. Should I return it and buy local, even if it ends up costing me a few hundred more. Should I get Vann's to swap it out again? I still have two charges on my card from the last swap!

Arrg!

return it in the 14 day period. They should not bug you if you are doing a swap. usually take s the SXRD owners 3 sets to figure out they got some lemon technology. Bhut the 732 is as good as it gets.....unless of course you got the high contrast screen that is offered by the 831.
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post #5877 of 9376
10/21/06 at 11:16pm
I spent about an hour today doing a side-by-side comparison of a KDS-R70XBR2 against a WD-65831. As a result, I've decided to keep my 65831.

Also present in the same row of televisions, along with the WD-65831 and KDS-R70XBR2, were a KDS-60A2000, a WD-73732 and an HL-S7187. I tweaked all the sets to my liking, and disabled all digital enhancements (noise reduction, sharpening, deep-field-imagers, etc.) I saw no obvious difference in PQ between the A2000 and the XBR2--so the comparative review between the A2000 and the 831 I posted a few days ago on this thread also applies to the new XBR2s.

I turned on the Sony's Cinemotion option, and set it to use DRC mode 1. I set the Mitsubishis' film mode to auto (hit the Menu button, scroll to Audio/Video and select it, then scroll to the row of radio buttons whose label on the bottom says Film Mode.)

I watched a videoptaped program on HDNet, and film-based content on HDNDet-Movies and Discovery HD Theater (DirecTV; component video, 1080i.) I saw no differences in the ability of the Sonys and Mitsubishis at scaling or deinterlacing, but I did see instances where the 65831 handled motion with less blurring when watching film-based content, which implies that the 831 does inverse telecine better than the Sonys do.
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post #5878 of 9376
10/21/06 at 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by jnelson2000 View Post

Interesting. I just had my 65831 calibrated on Thursday.

I've just added your comments to the list of calibration reports linked at the bottom of my post.

If there are any more details about the your results please add them to your original post so that folks can learn more about your experience.

If you can also add the calibrator's name I will included that in the list as well.

Enjoy.
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post #5879 of 9376
10/21/06 at 11:22pm
I'm on the fence between a 65831 and 73831. I haven't been able find any sort of comparisons between the picture quality of the two sets. The two models have different color wheels and (supposedly) the 73" sets have a larger DLP chip, though I haven't been able to find any information that a larger DMD device actually exists and if it does that it's in any way technically superior. If the PQ of the 73" set isn't as good as the 65" set, then my choice is easy.

So, bypassing all of the conjecture about 3 vs 6 color wheels and different DLP chipsets, I was wondering if anyone has had their 73831 calibrated and how it fared. If a calibrator has done both, I'd be most interested in hearing of any differences between the 65 and 73 inch models.
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post #5880 of 9376
10/22/06 at 12:01am
Anyone know if www.walts.com is a reputatable site?
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