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Originally Posted by TucsonTeks View Post

[i] From jdavis37:

PS.. What are people using to 'test' their HD displays? Is there another route besides hooking up a PC through the DVI?

I really don't see how this could be a real test. The test I used was DirecTV HD channels and HD-DVD. Like I said before, DirecTV HD channels are sub-par at best with the best being HD-Discovery.
post #902 of 9376
I don't own one of these new Mits sets, but can report on the quality of various HD sources. I also have DirecTV HD and find their HD channels highly variable in pq. My local OTA channels are better. The best HD source I have is the Toshiba HDA1 HD-DVD player. There just isn't any artifacting or motion smear when using this player, none of the compression artifacts one can get with even the best OTA broadcast. So far the best PQ discs I've tried have been U-571 for intricate detail (storms at sea during which you can make out each individual raindrop) and Training Day for natural but vibrant color.

My current set is a 5 year old Sony widescreen HD ready crt based set getting analog 1080i from the D box and the Tosh player. Since it is a 1080i native analog display getting a 1080i analog signal it has no set-induced artifacting as is possible with microdisplay sets, so any digital picture wierdness on this set must come from the source, not the set.
post #903 of 9376
Anyone know which model these new ones from costco are:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=

thanks
post #904 of 9376
Locomo -- add it to your cart, click on the link back to the tv from your cart, and it has the model number at the bottom.

They are selling the 57731 and 62731...
post #905 of 9376
Thanks cokecan.
Since there's no dark detailer, I wonder when they'll have the 732 series.
post #906 of 9376
I talked with three different sources who have all said the same thing. The 732 will not be available until mid September. I have the 65731 and had the manager from the Big Screen Store (Miits biggest dealer in the DC Area) call Mits direct and was told production on the 732 won't start until August 18th.

So I decided not to wait and got the 65731. DVD is fine through component especially the Toshiba HD-XA1. Wow. But the HDMI handshakes don't work. HDMI1 has no picture or sound. HDMI2 gives picture but no sound. Has anyone had anything like this happen? I'm still waiting on Comcast so I can only test with DVD.
post #907 of 9376
Does anyone know if it is possible or how to change the color of the border on non HD channels? Many of my channels have a white border...such as Animal Planet. I really would prefer black.

Thanks.

Rob
post #908 of 9376
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Originally Posted by locomo View Post

Anyone know which model these new ones from costco are:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=

thanks

Looks like the specs at least, map closely to the 731 series.
post #909 of 9376
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

But the HDMI handshakes don't work. HDMI1 has no picture or sound. HDMI2 gives picture but no sound. Has anyone had anything like this happen?

I have the 65731 and HD-A1 and have no issues. The HD-DVD player worked right away for me. I have not updated the firmware on my HD-DVD player yet either. Not sure what could be happening. Maybe a bad cable? Anyway, it looks simply amazing. I LOVE this TV!!!!!!!
post #910 of 9376
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Originally Posted by locomo View Post

Anyone know which model these new ones from costco are
thanks

731
post #911 of 9376
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

I talked with three different sources who have all said the same thing. The 732 will not be available until mid September. I have the 65731 and had the manager from the Big Screen Store (Miits biggest dealer in the DC Area) call Mits direct and was told production on the 732 won't start until August 18th.

So I decided not to wait and got the 65731. DVD is fine through component especially the Toshiba HD-XA1. Wow. But the HDMI handshakes don't work. HDMI1 has no picture or sound. HDMI2 gives picture but no sound. Has anyone had anything like this happen? I'm still waiting on Comcast so I can only test with DVD.

I get zero sound out of both HDMI connections. Now I have not played around with all the much. I was wondering if my Pioneer Elite 74Txvi is the problem. I have tried the following so far: Toshiba HD-DVD player (no sound) DirecTV HD-Tivo (DVR) no sound, and I will try my DirecTV HD Receiver h20 (I believe) this evening. If I get not sound I will give Mits a call on Wednesday to see if there is a fix.
post #912 of 9376
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

I talked with three different sources who have all said the same thing. The 732 will not be available until mid September. I have the 65731 and had the manager from the Big Screen Store (Miits biggest dealer in the DC Area) call Mits direct and was told production on the 732 won't start until August 18th.

So I decided not to wait and got the 65731. DVD is fine through component especially the Toshiba HD-XA1. Wow. But the HDMI handshakes don't work. HDMI1 has no picture or sound. HDMI2 gives picture but no sound. Has anyone had anything like this happen? I'm still waiting on Comcast so I can only test with DVD.

Sorry to hear of your problems with no sound/picture.
Both of my HDMI inputs work fine, (65731) as I recently added a Sony DVPNS75H DVD player to upconvert my DVDs.
I tried componet connections from my DISH 622DVR and the HD picture was as beautiful as through the HDMI connection.
My cables are not the expensive Monster ones either, got them through monoprice.com

Good Luck with your return.
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I'm pretty much sold on the 65" and am ready to buy. Wondering if I should wait for the 732 though? Sitting 15 feet away I'm wondering if the darkdetailer would make any difference? What's the skinny on the darkdetailer? Is it worth the extra bucks?

Also, has anyone connected their computer to this set via 'S' Video? Just wondering how that worked, if at all? My laptop does not have DVI...
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why did you owners choose the WD-XX731 over the HL-SXX87?

Was it Picture Quality?
Was it connectivity?
Was it brand preference?
Was it reliability?
Was it something else? (If so please specify)

Thank you. I am having a hard time choosing, and your input, may help me notice some differences.
post #915 of 9376
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

why did you owners choose the WD-XX731 over the HL-SXX87?

Was it Picture Quality?
Was it connectivity?
Was it brand preference?
Was it reliability?
Was it something else? (If so please specify)

Thank you. I am having a hard time choosing, and your input, may help me notice some differences.

I don't think you can go wrong with either set. The 65" was just the right size for my room. I preferred the picture of the Mits over the Sammy. Granted I did not see a fully calibrated Sammy but I think Mits is onto something with the 6 segment color wheel. The colors are fantastic and flesh tones are spot on.

The final factor for me was the extended warranty. The Mits dealer gave me 5 year extended warranty plus two lamp replacements. Best Buy would not come anywhere close on the Sammy. Even though the Sammy was a few hundred less the extended warranty and two free lamps to me was worth much more.

I watched Phantom of the Opera last night on the Toshiba HD-XA1 and the only word that comes to mind is jawdropping.

Don't get stuck with "paralysis by analysis" syndrome. Take one home and put it through the ringer for 30 days. If you don't like it exchange for a different set.
post #916 of 9376
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

why did you owners choose the WD-XX731 over the HL-SXX87?

Was it Picture Quality?
Was it connectivity?
Was it brand preference?
Was it reliability?
Was it something else? (If so please specify)

Thank you. I am having a hard time choosing, and your input, may help me notice some differences.

I dont own but have been shoppig for 12 months now. Before the Mitsubishi came out, my line in the sand was the Samsung HLS 87 or 88. I had previously rejected the Sony SXRD due to so many problems reported in the Sony threads. Biggest size on Samsung or Sony is 60" which kept me from acting sooner as I want a 65". I thought the 731 picture was equal in PQ to the HLS which are both excellent. This after many minutes of side by side viewing in the store and trying different source material. SInce the Mits has a 65" and the 732 model has the added darkdetailer feature to improve contrast ratio probably closer to that of Samsung (10,000:1), I have chosen the 732 which will be out in Aug/Sept. Im not sure, but the Mits may also be a bit more feature laden then the Samsung and Im pretty sure it has an easier to use operator interface.

Good luck
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Tweeter seems to be the big dealer for Mitsubishi. THey are the ones that call if you leave a contact request on the Mitsubishi site.

Will Tweeter as part of their service, take my 12 year old 53" RPTV away when they deliver the new TV?

thank you for any advise
post #918 of 9376
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Originally Posted by hdtme View Post

I dont own but have been shoppig for 12 months now. Before the Mitsubishi came out, my line in the sand was the Samsung HLS 87 or 88. I had previously rejected the Sony SXRD due to so many problems reported in the Sony threads. Biggest size on Samsung or Sony is 60" which kept me from acting sooner as I want a 65". I thought the 731 picture was equal in PQ to the HLS which are both excellent. This after many minutes of side by side viewing in the store and trying different source material. SInce the Mits has a 65" and the 732 model has the added darkdetailer feature to improve contrast ratio probably closer to that of Samsung (10,000:1), I have chosen the 732 which will be out in Aug/Sept. Im not sure, but the Mits may also be a bit more feature laden then the Samsung and Im pretty sure it has an easier to use operator interface.

Good luck

And Mits will have the 73" models out this fall if you're interested.
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Has anyone here read the ultimateavmag review of the 57731? Overall he gave it very high praise except for the contrast ratio that was measured at 645:1. The Sony SXRD measured at 6500:1. Am I missing something? The Sony has 10x the contrast ratio of the Mits? The picture to my eyes does not look 10x better. Is there an acceptable explanation for this? Perhaps this is why Mits does not publish contrast ratios? Hard to believe that the 732 models with the dark detailer will improve contrast that much to put it on par with the Sony & Samsung for only $200 more?

Maybe I should send back my 65731 and wait for the 732
post #920 of 9376
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

And Mits will have the 73" models out this fall if you're interested.

Toshiba, sony, Samsung & Mits will all have a 70" TV available soon. The Toshiba DLP is already out. along with the samsung.
post #921 of 9376
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

Has anyone here read the ultimateavmag review of the 57731? Overall he gave it very high praise except for the contrast ratio that was measured at 645:1. The Sony SXRD measured at 6500:1. Am I missing something? The Sony has 10x the contrast ratio of the Mits? The picture to my eyes does not look 10x better. Is there an acceptable explanation for this? Perhaps this is why Mits does not publish contrast ratios? Hard to believe that the 732 models with the dark detailer will improve contrast that much to put it on par with the Sony & Samsung for only $200 more?

Maybe I should send back my 65731 and wait for the 732

No way its that low. A midling LCD computer monitor is 800 and its you can really see the lack of contrasts in shades of black when you watch a movie on it. If you saw that on you TV you would think something was wrong.

IMO
post #922 of 9376
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

Has anyone here read the ultimateavmag review of the 57731? Overall he gave it very high praise except for the contrast ratio that was measured at 645:1. The Sony SXRD measured at 6500:1. Am I missing something? The Sony has 10x the contrast ratio of the Mits? The picture to my eyes does not look 10x better. Is there an acceptable explanation for this? Perhaps this is why Mits does not publish contrast ratios? Hard to believe that the 732 models with the dark detailer will improve contrast that much to put it on par with the Sony & Samsung for only $200 more?

Maybe I should send back my 65731 and wait for the 732

As is in the case of the term 'dynamic range' in the music world, such specs as contrast ratios can in a word be misleading, therefore, caution...

Admittedly am not an engineer of the new auto-iris, dark detailer and other picture enhancement technologies. However, from my research, it appears many of these hold great promise in "fooling the eye" into perceiving greater contrast (therefore more realistic scenes / more pleasing picture) under certain conditions.

The biggest differences are during low-light scenes, where older dlps and lcd's have more trouble rendering a realistic display, and show what should be a totally black scene as some shade of gray. New contrast enhancements basically darken the entire display ONLY while these scenes are taking place to a level that shows inky rich blacks but still allow enough light to make the bright parts look normal. Quite effective in, for example, an outer space scene with all the stars and heavenly bodies specking thru an inky black (as space is supposed to look). In older sets, space tends to look a somewhat unnatural gray.

However, in very bright and already-contrasty scenes, what is really gray looks black. This is why the vast majority of even older dlps and lcds look awe-inspiring with sports events and similar material. On the new dark-enhanced tvs, the 10,000 to 1 contrast ratio is achieved by comparing these brightest scenes (where all the available light is allowed thru) with the artifically darkened low-light scenes; you won't see this ratio in the same view. Note that most Best Buys and other showrooms pipe MOSTLY bright contrasty material to their display sets, for good reason.

One other environment where the grays of older technology really stand out is when watching the display in a totally darkened room. But in a typically- backlighted livingroom or at your friendly neighborhood typically-lighted showroom, the grays tend to look blacker and be less noticeable.

Bottom line is what appeals most to YOUR eyes (best checked by viewing material you view most often, presented on a display YOU are considering buying under conditions similar to your TV room). Because the 731 has a 150 watt bulb compared to most others at 100 or 120 watts, that probably accounts for much of its appeal--the picture due to more light tends to "appear" more contrasty. Even tho the new dark technologies aren't present in this unit, I suspect you'll never notice a difference except on low light scenes, and only if you are looking for it.

However, I'm holding out for the newer generation Mits's (732 probly), because so many of the movies these days seem to be shot in darkish, drab contexts. Rest assured the Mits dark technologies will provide contrast ratios similar or maybe even better than the sets you mentioned (the statistics can become a joke after awhile). But I believe these new technologies will make dark movies alot more realistic and fun to watch. But there won't be much difference in sports events.

The above discussion discounts other display enhancements. Another Mits partiality i have is for the nice variety of input-output options, e.g., IEEE 1394 and analog "record out" jacks: have a firewire dvhs, and also like using wireless headphones as a listening option--surprisingly difficult to implement on especially Sonys, believe it or not! (whatever happened to headphone jacks...)
post #923 of 9376
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Originally Posted by locomo View Post

Anyone know which model these new ones from costco are:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=

thanks

Costco make you pay extra for shipping too. Not much of a savings at all. A regional chain has it on sale for less than Costco!
post #924 of 9376
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

So I decided not to wait and got the 65731. DVD is fine through component especially the Toshiba HD-XA1. Wow. But the HDMI handshakes don't work. HDMI1 has no picture or sound. HDMI2 gives picture but no sound. Has anyone had anything like this happen? I'm still waiting on Comcast so I can only test with DVD.

Many people who had this problem had purchased HDMI Monster Cables. Monster was getting so may returns for defective cables that tested good that they put out a disclaimer. It seems the problem is not in the cables at all but in the relationship of the components using the HDMI connections in their software compatiblity. A search may lead you to some conversation on this problem which many have had. In short the problem rarely is in the cable.
post #925 of 9376
I was thinking about getting one of the 2007 displays (probably the WD-52631). I know that's not exactly in the same series as this, but I was just wondering if anyone had this TV and what they thought of it. Thanks!
post #926 of 9376
Did we get a final verdict on the Y65 version sold at Circuit City? Sounds like it's a 731 model that somehow has a flat black finish instead of the dark silver at every other store? I'm holding out for the 732 as it adds a good deal of features for only $200. It'll add Dark Detailer, DeepField Imager, PerfectTint, ShareEdge, Multi-Format Memory Card Reader and Net Command with IR learning which is supposed to give you one-button control of all your AV equipment. And best of all, to me, is the crystal black finish which really makes the TV look awesome! I'd appreciate it if folks can post any new updates they are hearing on when the 732's will be in stores.....sounds like we're looking at mid-September at this point. Might have to watch the first NFL game this year without HD.....oh the horror!
post #927 of 9376
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Originally Posted by suprmallet View Post

I was thinking about getting one of the 2007 displays (probably the WD-52631). I know that's not exactly in the same series as this, but I was just wondering if anyone had this TV and what they thought of it. Thanks!

I think that question should be posted in another thread as this is a 731, 732, 831 thread.
post #928 of 9376
In trying to answer my own question about 732 timeframes I google'd the 732 and called the first store that popped up....The Home Theater Store....and the salesperson said he expects them within 3-4 days! He said they were already shipped. I asked if he was sure since I had heard mid-September and he said it's the 831's that won't be out 'till mid-September but the 732's are on the way to his store. Keeping my fingers crossed that he has that right. Best Buy has the 732 in their computers with no delivery date yet.
post #929 of 9376
Sorry to be carrying on my own thread here but hopefully folks find this helpful. Just called another chain store and they said they're getting their 57" 732 next week and the 65" 732 the week after that. So it sounds like they'll officially be here soon!
post #930 of 9376
So the difference between 731 and 732 is dark detailer and difference between 732 and 831 is.... unicorns?
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