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post #241 of 7781
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Originally Posted by cheapa55 View Post

How many people has had their delivery date delayed? and how many have gotten on time. I'd hate to wait until June 30th and be told I'd have to wait another 2-3 weeks for the tv set, while my CC was charged on June 12th.

Mine was scheduled for the 16th and arrived on the 16th. There were some others that got theirs earlier and many that got it around the same time or later.
post #242 of 7781
I Want This Set!!!!!!

Help Me My Av Gods!!!!!
post #243 of 7781
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Originally Posted by Diode1 View Post

If you go back to the old thread and read a few of my posts from super Saturday and shortly thereafter, you will see that at that time the model was scheduled to go discontinued at our local Test Market/Lab store.
Again, this is from the home state of BB and only about fifteen miles from corporate headquarters.
Super Saturday at this store was a special event for special BB business customers and their families. They had a load of factory reps & corporate-heads on location, along with the bat mobile park out front.
I can only pass information given to me by a few that I fully trust from within BB, hence the reason I first posted this info back on the 10th

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Originally Posted by LukFilm View Post

I always thought it was a price error and this story confirms it.

LoL that's gotta be fustrating for Diode1
post #244 of 7781
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Originally Posted by Andrew Sabin View Post

After some tweaking, I've decided on Color 1 with the following gain settings:

red: 232
green: 224 (thought green was lacking at 220)
blue: 255 (factory default)

The color accuracy and greyscale range appear close to perfect with these setting on my set. Again, thanks PeterS for your dedication to the cause. I previously thought that Color 2 looked best, but color 1 with these service menu adjustments appears much more natural now. For those who don't see banding, how long have you had your set? Have you watched alot of programs with horiziontal panning with a light gray background?

Thanks

What OSD settings (Brightness, Saturation, etc...) are you running with that?
post #245 of 7781
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Originally Posted by Zoglog View Post

LoL that's gotta be fustrating for Diode1

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I am on the record saying that this indeed was some sort of pricing error online, check slickdeals for my other post Our local stores here had the price tags $500 more than the online price, this was even after at the time of the instant $500 rebate that was being offered at the local BB stores.
I am not at all fustrated, I am one of a very few that made a killing on this deal paying nearly 30% less than most others that purchased on Super Saturday

fustrating? No, laughing all the way to the bank, indeed
post #246 of 7781
DIODE,
Have you heard anything about the release of the 47"? Westinghouse stated that it is still in product testing
post #247 of 7781
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Originally Posted by aiwa View Post

Did you lay it flat?
I dont remember the inside of the CRV being that tall.

Yes, it was flat.
post #248 of 7781
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Originally Posted by ruprick View Post

bestbuy.com customer service told me the same thing via email, I'm not sure if I'm buying it, though.

I don't see why not, it was released only 3 months ago and they dropped the price only for ONE day by a huge amount despite the fact that Westinghouse has been selling this model like hotcakes. Definitely plausible scenario.
post #249 of 7781
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Originally Posted by rockytong View Post

Yes, it was flat.


Oh Okay. I kinda thought I read somewhere that it should not lay flat, but I guess it's just BS or paranoids.
post #250 of 7781
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Originally Posted by Diode1 View Post

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I am on the record saying that this indeed was some sort of pricing error online, check slickdeals for my other post Our local stores here had the price tags $500 more than the online price, this was even after at the time of the instant $500 rebate that was being offered at the local BB stores.
I am not at all fustrated, I am one of a very few that made a killing on this deal paying nearly 30% less than most others that purchased on Super Saturday

fustrating? No, laughing all the way to the bank, indeed

30% less? Damn! I understand 10%, but 30%... Speaking of which - I am BB Reward Zone member and I recently received a 12% off coupon for any single item and this TV is one of the items to which this coupon applies. I'll try to go back and get 12% off the price I paid, I have about two weeks to try to get the discount. Perhaps I can give them an incentive to re-ring it saying that I'll purchase a PSP, which I want to get anyway
post #251 of 7781
You shouldn't lay a Plasma flat. No problem with an LCD.
post #252 of 7781
what is a htcp?
post #253 of 7781
Hello, I just got Samsung DVD-HD960 player, and I cannot force it to 1080p on Westi 42", max it goes is to 1080i through HDMI. It's either Samsung player doesn't properly recognize 1080p capability, or Westi doesn't report to Samsung player that it's 1080p capable...

Has anybody actually tested Westi on true 1080p upscaling DVD player???

I'm gonna test on my Sceptre 37" - will see what happens with 1080p...

..............

Well, my Sceptre 37" also goes max to 1080i. Looks like Samsung's claim of 1080p upscaling is just a joke...
post #254 of 7781
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Originally Posted by jvalerio View Post

DIODE,
Have you heard anything about the release of the 47"? Westinghouse stated that it is still in product testing

Rumor has it this local test store has a few of the 47" units in the warehouse.
Although this rumor is not from one of my trusted people but rather a employee of the department. I was actually in the store just yesterday when I learned this info. He said they still do not have a set date for this display, although he was ready to sell me one. I said I would like to wait and see it in action first on display.
Again, rumor as far as i can say since i did not have them pull a box or see it in person.
post #255 of 7781
Please PM me the "price" he quoted. I want either one, but cost is important to a poor soul like me
post #256 of 7781
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What OSD settings (Brightness, Saturation, etc...) are you running with that?

Vipper,

My OSD settings are the following:

brightness: 50
contrast:55
hue: 0
color temp: 1
sharpness: 7
backlight: 20
post #257 of 7781
I have been in love with my 42" westinghouse ever since it arrived. It truly is amazing.

I also bought a Logitech Harmony remote (720) to go with my new setup and I wanted to post my solution to the fact that this TV doesn't have discrete buttons for every specific input.

I found the best thing to do was have the TV turn on then and select the discrete input closest to the input for the desired activity (S Video, VGA, and AV all have discrete input commands). Then use the "Input Next" command to move down to that input.

Here's an example:
  • My HD cable box is plugged into YPbPr 1
  • First the TV turns on then goes to S Video since this is the closest input with a discrete input command
  • The harmony remote then sends "Input Next" to scroll down 1 input to YPbPr1

I hope this is helpful to anyone trying to use this with a universal remote like a Harmony or Pronto.
post #258 of 7781
I seen quite a few post of people asking for Harmony remote recommendations.

As a matter of fact, I like his solution better to the one I was using cause it never dawned on me.
post #259 of 7781
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Originally Posted by aiwa View Post

Oh Okay. I kinda thought I read somewhere that it should not lay flat, but I guess it's just BS or paranoids.

I believe that is for plasma not LCD's.
post #260 of 7781
I saw this at Best Buy today with the Samsung Blu-Ray player hooked up to it. Good lord, it blew away everything else in the store. Even standing 2 feet away from it it looked incredible. I went in to look at the new Samsung DLS 1080p DLPs and the Westinghouse totally blew me away (albiet it was hooked up to the Samsung Blu-Ray player). I wonder what the DLPs would look like (since they can accept a 1080p input) versus this or the new 1080p LCDs that are coming out.

All I can say is that my opinion has changed on what I am going to buy. A 1080p LCD is the way to go.
post #261 of 7781
So what's the consensus regarding whether this TV will in fact be discontinued or not? I got the impression that best buy was going to discontinue it, but would that necessarily mean that it would be discontinued all together? Diode, you were saying that this 42" west was in fact supposed to be discontinued but now Best buy is going to continue selling it?

I'm just curious because this TV is the perfect set for my bedroom. 1080p and cheap but great bang for the buck is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm just in no rush to pick up this set because I really am holding out for the later firmware (1.18), since I don't want to have to deal w/ lockup problems. Would you guys think it would take 1-2 months before this lcd starts coming from the factory w/ the latest firmware? Thanks.
post #262 of 7781
alexbmur,

Thank you for sharing! I'm still waiting for my Westy to arrive and will probably be getting a Harmony remote down the road, so this kind of thing is helpful.


kkeldysh,

I suggest you adjust your attitude...
post #263 of 7781
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Originally Posted by kkeldysh View Post

That's trivial.
You do think that people here are really dumb, aren't you???

This coming from the guy who cannot write properly. It should be "don't you?" Way to go genius. This forum is not only for people who know what they're doing but for people trying to educate themselves. I am 20 years old, looking to make my first big purchase ever for a tv, have never owned a universal remote and find every little comment helpful. I only wish you would have unregistered earlier. Sorry to digress from the main topic. Anyway, I'm going into BB to talk to a manager to see if he will at least match the saturday sale. The sales associate told me they would not but if I am unable to get a display model for as little as the sale I will be very upset. .
post #264 of 7781
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I wonder what the DLPs would look like (since they can accept a 1080p input) versus this or the new 1080p LCDs that are coming out

The "1080p" DLPs don't truly have 1920x1080 pixels, they have to use wobulation to simulate 1080p. Basically it's taking 1080i and shifting the image ever so slightly, very quickly, to trick your eye into believeing it's seeing the full resolution.
post #265 of 7781
Actually Steve - you are "sort of right".

Wobulation works in BOTH the vertical and horizontal plane. Problem is that it doesn't always work and can cause its own artifacting. Also given the rotating color-wheel nature and now shifting quality of the image, it does indeed introduce other image problems.

A good demo of how it works is here: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/bown/20...767810,00.html
post #266 of 7781
Does anyone hear a slight buzzing noise from the 42w2? This noise is nothing compared to the chirping I heard on the 37w1 I tried. However, I definitely hear a faint buzzing noise, mainly when changing channels with no audio audible. This is with a DVI to HDMI cable and L/R audion cables into the Westy. I thought HDMI can also send audio, but it doesn't from the DVI output on my HD receiver. Do I need to change something to audio with HDMI?

Also, what's the consensus on whether I should try another 42w2 due to the slight banding I see on my current set? My poll has shown about a 2 to 1 ratio of owners who see vertical banding vs. those who don't. Do you guys think there's any chance I'd get a set with less banding? I guess it's possible I could get one with worse banding or most likely the same amount. Is an exchange worth the effort?

Thanks
post #267 of 7781
I have my westy connected to comcast motorola dvr box using DVI and have made some observations. I am using DVI-1 with my comcast motorola box. I am hoping someone can corroborate the following observations:

1) When using DVI-1 at 1080i, sharpness control is available in the menu. As soon as I switch to 480p or 720p through my dvr, sharpness controls get greyed out and are not available. This behavior does not take place when using DVI-2.

2) Using DVI-2, sharpness is available for all resolutions....480p, 720p and 1080i. But, DVI-2 exhibits a strange phenomenon that one other forum member experienced in the old thread. There is a 2 to 3 pixel wide vertical line on right side of the tv in standard mode. It goes away when using Fill mode. As soon as you switch back again to standard mode, the line reappears but the width of the line has increased by another few pixels. This keeps increasing as long as I keep repeating the process. If I hit the DVI input button on the remote while this is going on, instead of switching to DVI-1, I stay on DVI-2 and the line defaults back to the right side. With 1080i, line is on the right hand side but with 720p appears on both sides but is thinner by a pixel or two. One might say that I am seeing overscan but why the odd behavior with increasing static lines? This phenomenon does not take place on DVI-1.

3) I connected the tv to my pc using both DVI-1 and DVI-2. I was not able to replicate the behavior. The other poster who experienced this behavior was using an up-converting dvd player (I think).

3) DVI-1 will only remember two user settings. One for 1080i and the second for 480p/720.

4) DVI-2 will only remember one user setting regardless of the input resolution. Same goes for the component connections. I have not tested HDMI yet.


Besides the above, I have had my 1.16 westy for about ten days and experienced my first lock up today. It would not turn on. I had to unplug it to bring it back to life. I do have two stuck pixels and banding that can be seen against the grey test patterns as well as during world cup and baseball games where they have large patches of uniform color such as green.
post #268 of 7781
Andrew,

I think I'm in your Option 1 camp according to your survey definitions. I don't often see the vertical brighter band during normal viewing. I have shown a grey screen photo in a previous post (on the "original" LVM42w2 thread) and am including it again here. Some might consider this BAD (and I'm curious whether this looks like a defect to others).

There are definitely sports that tend to make this more apparent (soccer, hockey) but even during other HD broadcasts I now know it is there and can pick up on a lighter shade for uniform colors that overlap this band region.

I am in the same debate over arguing with Westinghouse to exchange this unit for me, but the odds seem against getting an improvement. Since this artifact is most visible on only limited content (like sports) I may not worry about it.
LL
post #269 of 7781
The field resolution explains why the other day I was in BB and the salesman was steering me away from this set, he said "did you know the aspect ratio on this set is only 1920x540?" I had no idea what he was talking about, he said they figured it out when they were hooking the Toshiba blu-ray to it.

Wikipedia has some more info on this. I learn something new every day...

If you look up 1080i on wikipedia you can read it.
post #270 of 7781
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Originally Posted by Andrew Sabin View Post

Also, what's the consensus on whether I should try another 42w2 due to the slight banding I see on my current set? My poll has shown about a 2 to 1 ratio of owners who see vertical banding vs. those who don't. Do you guys think there's any chance I'd get a set with less banding? I guess it's possible I could get one with worse banding or most likely the same amount. Is an exchange worth the effort?

Thanks

If the slight banding is the monitor's only "problem" I'd keep it, if I were you. The banding on mine is quite minimal, but to date, I've had zero lock-ups and I have no dead/stuck pixels. Based on everything I've read, I think I've managed to make out quite well in comparison. Sure, I thought about exchanging the Westy a few times, but I wasn't sure if I'd luck out on the no lock-ups and no dead pixels again. If you can live with the slight banding, as I've grown to do, and you have no other problems, I'd seriously think about keeping it. That's just my two cents, though.
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