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post #331 of 1039
7/7/06 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by GeorgeLV View Post

I'm getting the game in Las Vegas in mpeg2/channel 95. (H10/3 LNB dish)

I need to remember to check that channel, I flipped it off after the Yankee game was over.
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post #332 of 1039
7/7/06 at 5:40am
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Originally Posted by GeorgeLV View Post

I'm getting the game in Las Vegas in mpeg2/channel 95. (H10/3 LNB dish)

So channel 95 is mpeg 2 then? I have been getting all the Yankee games this week from YESHD on that channel and I want sure if this was part of the RSN's roll out or not.

Oh well, I will just wait some more until the games come out in mpeg 4......
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post #333 of 1039
7/7/06 at 5:49am
Will they add Comcast Sportsnet HD in Washington, DC? I'd sure like to see my Wizards and Caps in HD!
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post #334 of 1039
7/7/06 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Oh well, I will just wait some more until the games come out in mpeg 4......

Why should it matter to you which encoding/decoding scheme is used?
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post #335 of 1039
7/7/06 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

So channel 95 is mpeg 2 then? I have been getting all the Yankee games this week from YESHD on that channel and I want sure if this was part of the RSN's roll out or not.

Oh well, I will just wait some more until the games come out in mpeg 4......

It Is part of the RSN rollout - because now that so many of the other teams that used to share this 1 HD sports channel are in MPEG4, it has freed up additional slots and they have increased the number of NYY games being delivered by D*. D* was NOT showing ALL of the YES produced HD games - very few of the road games, etc - and I believe they will be showing ALL games being offered by YES-HD.

I have a feeling that YES will stay CONUS, and move to MPEG4 when DIRECTV 10/11 launches.
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post #336 of 1039
7/7/06 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by tbb1226 View Post

Why should it matter to you which encoding/decoding scheme is used?

It matters only that I am curious to see if there is any difference in picture quality between mpeg 2 and mpeg 4 from D*. Other than that, I don't care as long as I get the channel and it looks good, which it does
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post #337 of 1039
7/7/06 at 8:24am
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But a great deal of this PQ stuff is dependant on so much more than JUST D*. Reports of PQ (just like all opinions) are ALL over the place.

Also, besides the OBJECTIVE pieces (rezz, bitrates, etc.), the size, technology and quality of the HDTV monitor, the final part is the HUMAN eye.
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post #338 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by ScoBuck View Post

But a great deal of this PQ stuff is dependant on so much more than JUST D*. Reports of PQ (just like all opinions) are ALL over the place.

Also, besides the OBJECTIVE pieces (rezz, bitrates, etc.), the size, technology and quality of the HDTV monitor, the final part is the HUMAN eye.

But it's something that a lot of us are/maybe concerned with. E*'s MPEG 4 PQ(or lack there of) is the only reason I havent made a switch from D* yet. I've read that D*'s MPEG4 LIL's look pretty good to very good PQ-wise for the most part, and would be interested to hear how the MPEG4 RSN broadcasts are looking.

Us without the newer equipment are relying on you guys to offer up some opinions......
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post #339 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by Ramsrule View Post

But it's something that a lot of us are/maybe concerned with. E*'s MPEG 4 PQ(or lack there of) is the only reason I havent made a switch from D* yet. I've read that D*'s MPEG4 LIL's look pretty good to very good PQ-wise for the most part, and would be interested to hear how the MPEG4 RSN broadcasts are looking.

Us without the newer equipment are relying on you guys to offer up some opinions......

Yeah - I know that, but as you will see here, the responses are all over the place. In my case (NYC DMA) I see no difference on the NBC, ABC, or FOX channels between MPEG4 and MPEG2 - I have had some issues with the CBS MPEG4 picture.

For example, I have seen some PQ complaints about STO from people in Cleveland - I have also seen some posts that say the PQ is amazing - GO FIGURE!
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post #340 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:40am
Anyone live in the SF Bay and able to watch either the Giants or A's games in HD on channels 96 or 97. In a previous post it was mentioned that FSBayArea was not on the list because it was not O&O by Fox Sports. However, I just spoke with D* and they said that it is on the list for games only.

So...anyone been able to watch a Giants game in HD.
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post #341 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by ScoBuck View Post

Yeah - I know that, but as you will see here, the responses are all over the place. In my case (NYC DMA) I see no difference on the NBC, ABC, or FOX channels between MPEG4 and MPEG2 - I have had some issues with the CBS MPEG4 picture.

For example, I have seen some PQ complaints about STO from people in Cleveland - I have also seen some posts that say the PQ is amazing - GO FIGURE!

I guess I should just pony up for a new dish and receiver and see for myself since they just added two of the Raleigh locals in MPEG4(I get them all OTA other than PBS). I would get FSNS's two games listed for this month...... YAY!

I see where you're coming from, but I'd still like to hear what people have to say about PQ with the usual understanding on my part that it's a dynamic situation, and that it's only someone's opinion. That way I can make the determination in regards to who's opinions REALLY matter......
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post #342 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:48am
That's what has prevented me from going with the H20, no definitive answers on PQ and I already have Dish locals which are in need of improvement. That, and no DVR, plus the baseball season is already half over, means I'll probably just wait, I've gone years without seeing my local teams in HD already, so another 6-9 mos won't kill me.
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post #343 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

That's what has prevented me from going with the H20, no definitive answers on PQ and I already have Dish locals which are in need of improvement. That, and no DVR, plus the baseball season is already half over, means I'll probably just wait, I've gone years without seeing my local teams in HD already, so another 6-9 mos won't kill me.

You are right, directv hd is awash with mass confusion and missing features, stick with dish.
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post #344 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

That's what has prevented me from going with the H20, no definitive answers on PQ and I already have Dish locals which are in need of improvement. That, and no DVR, plus the baseball season is already half over, means I'll probably just wait, I've gone years without seeing my local teams in HD already, so another 6-9 mos won't kill me.

While we dont get much baseball on FSNS(and I'm a transplanted Angels fan anyways), I'm pretty sure most of the Stanley Cup Champion Hurricane's home games are done in HD..... that's when I'll have to bite the bullet and make a move. Hockey season cranks up around October/November.

Hopefully, if there's a God above, D* will FINALLY have a MPEG4 DVR ready by then.
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post #345 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by TVBob View Post

You are right, directv hd is awash with mass confusion and missing features, stick with dish.

Troll say what? Have you seen the E* MPEG4 that Keenan has seen first hand?
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post #346 of 1039
7/7/06 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

That's what has prevented me from going with the H20, no definitive answers on PQ and I already have Dish locals which are in need of improvement. That, and no DVR, plus the baseball season is already half over, means I'll probably just wait, I've gone years without seeing my local teams in HD already, so another 6-9 mos won't kill me.

There are software updates on the horizon for the H20s - including a major one in the works now that will be the one giving the H20 interactivity. Its being (been) under discussion somewhat at dbstalk.

It's a work in progress to be sure, frankly I don't mind 'beta' testing in order to get my locals and whatever else is on the way. Since I got the AT9 and the H20s for free - I had no downside, I still get the MPEG2HD stuff, and get to 'view' the rollout and its progress.

I really couldn't switch anyhow - not until DISH gets YES (and that ain't happening anytime soon either).
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post #347 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:04am
(It is also awash with many additional HD baseball games in recent days, Bob.)

There is an interesting clash in tone between what keenan writes and the shrillness of your constantly venomous anti-DirecTV posts -- or anyone who dares utter a positive thing about D*.

While keenan is thoughtful, looking for the best HD experience and constantly seeking information, you are, well, you do seem to have all the answers conveniently at your finger tips. And when they don't appear as called for, you can always fall back on those DirecTV "sources".

Exactly what "mass confusion" is washing over DirecTV HD?

Each provider has its strengths and its weaknesse. And each apparently has those to whom it can do no right.

After dozens and dozens and dozens of your repetitive posts, I think we all understand: you don't like anything about DirecTV HD.
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post #348 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by ScoBuck View Post

There are software updates on the horizon for the H20s - including a major one in the works now that will be the one giving the H20 interactivity. Its being (been) under discussion somewhat at dbstalk.

It's a work in progress to be sure, frankly I don't mind 'beta' testing in order to get my locals and whatever else is on the way. Since I got the AT9 and the H20s for free - I had no downside, I still get the MPEG2HD stuff, and get to 'view' the rollout and its progress.

I really couldn't switch anyhow - not until DISH gets YES (and that ain't happening anytime soon either).

Frankly, I would add an H20 if I was certain I wouldn't lose my DNS feeds prematurely, at least I know the PQ there, and I can record it, if I went to the H20, with possible PQ problems, and no DVR, and lose DNS, I wouldn't be a happy camper at all.
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post #349 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Frankly, I would add an H20 if I was certain I wouldn't lose my DNS feeds prematurely, at least I know the PQ there, and I can record it, if I went to the H20, with possible PQ problems, an no DVR, and lose DNS, I wouldn't be a happy camper at all.

Got ya - I am luckily NOT in the DNS thing - but ya make perfect sense.
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post #350 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by Ramsrule View Post

Troll say what? Have you seen the E* MPEG4 that Keenan has seen first hand?

Actually yes I have, I work with all the available hd services for my job, I am not a subscriber of directv myself.

It's a joke anyone would ever compare PQ of dish to directv, sorry. However no matter how much better mpeg 4 might look on directv in some cases, it's still far more prone to regular pixelation, audio drops, etc.
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post #351 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Frankly, I would add an H20 if I was certain I wouldn't lose my DNS feeds prematurely, at least I know the PQ there, and I can record it, if I went to the H20, with possible PQ problems, an no DVR, and lose DNS, I wouldn't be a happy camper at all.

I agree completely. I wouldn't toss by HD TiVos for the MPEG4 until I know there is a working HD DVR to take their places.

If I were allowed to, I would try a new H20 unit -- if I could keep the HD TivOs. We'll see, but it appears that when you go to MPEG4, your MPEG2 HD service is cut off.

And with Time Warner about to get control of Adelphia here in Los Angeles, we'll have to see what that brings to the equation. (Finally we may actually have an alternative to satellite if TW can provide it.)

Otherwise there is Verizon looming -- although it is apparently a year or more away.
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post #352 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by fredfa View Post

(It is also awash with many additional HD baseball games in recent days, Bob.)

There is an interesting clash in tone between what keenan writes and the shrillness of your constantly venomous anti-DirecTV posts -- or anyone who dares utter a positive thing about D*.

While keenan is thoughtful, looking for the best HD experience and constantly seeking information, you are, well, you do seem to have all the answers conveniently at your finger tips. And when they don't appear as called for, you can always fall back on those DirecTV "sources".

Exactly what "mass confusion" is washing over DirecTV HD?

Each provider has its strengths and its weaknesse. And each apparently has those to whom it can do no right.

After dozens and dozens and dozens of your repetitive posts, I think we all understand: you don't like anything about DirecTV HD.

Directv has advantages over dish, but dish clearly has the lead in hd offerings, which is what this community is about.

What confusion? Just check out this thread....what rsns are available in hd, how do I get them....or when will the mpeg 4 dvr be out...it goes on and on.
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post #353 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:13am
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I agree completely. I wouldn't toss by HD TiVos for the MPEG4 until I know there is a working HD DVR to take their places.

If I were allowed to, I would try a new H20 unit -- if I could keep the HD TivOs. We'll see, but it appears that when you go to MPEG4, your MPEG2 HD service is cut off.

And with Time Warner about to get control of Adelphia here in Los Angeles, we'll have to see what that brings to the equation. (Finally we may actually have an alternative to satellite if TW can provide it.)

Otherwise there is Verizon looming -- although it is apparently a year or more away.

Yes, the day my DNS goes dark is when I'll get the MPEG4 equipment because at that point I won't have anything to lose.

Why do they make all this so difficult???
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post #354 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by ScoBuck View Post

Got ya - I am luckily NOT in the DNS thing - but ya make perfect sense.

Plus, since I've seen so many Yankee games I've become a Yankee by default because I NEVER got to see my local teams because of Comcast. Giants? A's? who are they..?
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post #355 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by TVBob View Post

Actually yes I have, I work with all the available hd services for my job, I am not a subscriber of directv myself.

It's a joke anyone would ever compare PQ of dish to directv, sorry. However no matter how much better mpeg 4 might look on directv in some cases, it's still far more prone to regular pixelation, audio drops, etc.

That is certainly your opinion -- and, obviously, it is shared by quite a few other posters.

But it isn't the ONLY opinion. It isn't even the only "informed" opinion, despite what you would lead us to believe.

I don't know what your "job" is that requires you to "work with all the available HD services" but I would disagree with your blanket statement. I have spent a lifetime in television control rooms. There are some Dish channels that seems crisper to me than DirecTV, but many seem comparable.

The Cox HD I have seen in the San Diego area seems better than either DBS offering, as does the FiOS i watched in Texas recently and the Comcast I saw a few months ago in Philadelphia.
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post #356 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:22am
Yes, no doubt, most cable services look better than both dbs services.

I know some people disagree with me, but my only point was I have a strong argument to back up my opinions, and I am hardly the only one who thinks so as some seem to try to make me look like, if anything far more in this community prefer dish for hd quality.
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post #357 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by TVBob View Post


What confusion? Just check out this thread....what rsns are available in hd, how do I get them....or when will the mpeg 4 dvr be out...it goes on and on.


I assume everything is clear on the E* side then (no confusion there?)

I know what RSN's are available on D* (I can point out the thread if you want), but for the life of me I can't seem to find information on when they will be available on E*..can you help clear up my confusion?

Also, is there a clear answer on whether you can get more then 1 MPEG4 DVR from E*?

shall I continue?
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post #358 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by davisdog View Post

I assume everything is clear on the E* side then (no confusion there?)

I know what RSN's are available on D* (I can point out the thread if you want), but for the life of me I can't seem to find information on when they will be available on E*..can you help clear up my confusion?

Also, is there a clear answer on whether you can get more then 1 MPEG4 DVR from E*?

shall I continue?

How is it confusing to not know about channels that do not exist? Directv has channels up that most customers have no clue exist.

"Also, is there a clear answer on whether you can get more then 1 MPEG4 DVR from E*?"

Yes, that is a far more critical issue for dish subs than when one will be out at all for directv subs. You don't have to be too intelligent to figure out how to acquire more than one from dish anyway.
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post #359 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by TVBob View Post

It's a joke anyone would ever compare PQ of dish to directv, sorry. However no matter how much better mpeg 4 might look on directv in some cases, it's still far more prone to regular pixelation, audio drops, etc.

To respond to this part of the post, the Dish locals here in SF are no picnic. I don't need perfection, but these channels are not acceptable to me in their present condition. I don't imagine DirecTV would be much different, for both satcos in most cases they are collected OTA, crammed into fiber, sent to Colorado, and Scotty beams them up.

I still have a Comcast account, and will continue to have it until either D* or E* can get the PQ at least very close to Comcast, so far, Dish is not even close. I haven't seen DirecTV's locals.
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post #360 of 1039
7/7/06 at 10:30am
What specific problems do you experience with your dish locals? Just lack of sharpness?
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