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post #61 of 1039
6/26/06 at 11:13pm
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Originally Posted by fredfa View Post

No offense meant, Posty, but maybe Gary was protecting Rangers fans.

Why would they want to see the Blue Jackets more often?

Why would anyone want to see the Blue Jackets at all?

I think the Rangers would just like to see the Flyers and Devils a little less often. Between Jan Hrdina, Manny Maholtra, Bryan Berard and the Blue Jacket colors sometimes I squint to pretend they are the Rangers. That will be harder in HD.

If the Jackets go HD in October hockey in Columbus (5 years old) will have gone HD before baseball in Cincinnati (135 years old).
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post #62 of 1039
6/26/06 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by Posty-McPost View Post

If the Jackets go HD in October hockey in Columbus (5 years old) will have gone HD before baseball in Cincinnati (135 years old).

I didn't realize the Cavs were still on Fox Sports Ohio and had not jumped to STO. But it makes more sense that FSN - OH is being added to carry their games in HD. The Cavs did 9 HD broadcasts towards the end of last season which were carried locally on all the MSOs. In a perfect world we'd get both teams in HD.
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post #63 of 1039
6/28/06 at 11:35am
any update ScoBuck?
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post #64 of 1039
6/28/06 at 11:39am
I talked to my source again....what can I say, there definitely is no agreement with nesn and he doesn't see any of these rsns being added in the timeframe indicated. Sorry, this could have been the shot in the arm directv hd desperately needed.
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post #65 of 1039
6/28/06 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by austen0316 View Post

any update ScoBuck?

not at the moment, but nothing has changed that I am aware of. We will see shortly though, won't we?
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post #66 of 1039
6/28/06 at 12:58pm
When? On the 1st or after the 1st?
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post #67 of 1039
6/28/06 at 1:04pm
scobuck, will there be any press releases today?
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post #68 of 1039
6/28/06 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by austen0316 View Post

scobuck, will there be any press releases today?

I do NOT work for DirecTV, so I do not have any way to know this. From past history, they did NOT to this day put out a press release when they added TNT-HD. I do not have the answer on this at all.


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Originally Posted by evil View Post

When? On the 1st or after the 1st?

Here is a C&P of the memo I received regarding this. I believe the source, I have no reason to doubt it, but as I say above, I don't work for them. What I find interesting though, is that Brine (who claims to work for them as a CSR) has posted IDENTICAL info - and so had a poster named audi. We will find out soon enough I guess if its accurate.

"On 7/1/2006, HD RSNs will be launching on the following networks in certain local markets areas:

"Games Only": YES, FSN Prime Ticket, FSN West, FSN Bay Area, FSN Southwest, FSN South, FSN Detroit, FSN Florida, STO, FSN North, FSN Northwest, FSN Arizona, FSN Rocky Mountain, Turner South. NESN will be HD 24/7.

In August 2006, CSN Chicago and CSN Mid-Atlantic will go 24/7 in HD. SNY will be available for games only.

In mid-October 2006, MSG, FSN New York, Sun Sports, and FSN Ohio will be available for games only.

This channels WILL NOT be available CONUS, only available in the local channel market. For example, NESN will be available only for customers who can get Red Sox as a part of their regular RSN."

As I have tried to make clear, this is info I received from someone I believe, thus I chose to post it (with the full knowledge that it is 'rumor' until it is FACT). I have put NO spin on it as you can see, this is the exact info I received in its original wording C&P. There is someone else who for reasons unknown to me wants to try and make this a challenge, it is NOT. I am posting info as given to me, I have no vested interest in its outcome except to enjoy more Yankee HD games this season.

Frankly, I have no more that I can add to it, I have heard of no changes from the individual (and yes, I have since spoken to him) that passed this on to me.
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post #69 of 1039
6/28/06 at 1:40pm
June 28th is coming and going without official confirmation of any future hd plans other than third party confirmation of today's local hd launches...what a surprise. Meanwhile, more and more hd users continue to switch to cable and dish.

I don't know if sco keeps referring to me, but I am just occassionally giving an update on what my source says, just like he is doing with his source. I am not posting just to discredit him, I just don't want people to get their hopes up when there are reports to the contrary.
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post #70 of 1039
6/28/06 at 1:48pm
That's an interesting list--I live in the Fox Sports South region and I didn't even know that they broadcast any HD games. I know Turner South does some Braves games (and also Thrashers games, but I'm not sure if those are HD or not) so at least I'll see some benefit to that.
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post #71 of 1039
6/28/06 at 3:29pm
I just spoke to someone in the HD department at DirecTV about my HD locals, and I also asked about NESN HD. She said that they did just get some information today saying that RSNs in HD would be coming soon. I asked her if NESN HD being added on Saturday would be out of the question and she said it's certainly possible. Just thought I'd add that into this discussion.
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post #72 of 1039
6/28/06 at 3:32pm
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interesting, lets see. it has not been any standard practice of DirecTV to announce in advance new channels - sometimes they have and sometimes they haven't. can't see what that proves. the proof will be in the near future, that is the time to see it (or not).
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post #73 of 1039
6/28/06 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by TVBob View Post

... Meanwhile, more and more hd users continue to switch to cable and dish...

Do you have a source (and numbers) for this assertion?

It certainly doesn't seem to be borne out by the most recent quarterly subscriber results announced by the MSOs and satellite companies.
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post #74 of 1039
6/28/06 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by fredfa View Post

Do you have a source (and numbers) for this assertion?

It certainly doesn't seem to be borne out by the most recent quarterly subscriber results announced by the MSOs and satellite companies.

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post #75 of 1039
6/28/06 at 5:06pm
Thanks, keenan.

I am still trying to see where all those DirecTV HD customers are going.

While Dish has certainly added more net subs in the past six months, DirecTV has been shedding poor credit risks for 15 months now. I have yet to see any indication that HD has much to do with the numbers.

There still are too few HD subs.
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post #76 of 1039
6/28/06 at 5:20pm
Using this data, the last two quarters show the following:

D* increased 1.7%
E* increased 2.2%
Digital Cable (all providers) increased 4.1%

Now these aren't HD numbers, but each provider on the list, other than Mediacom, is increasing digital subscribers at a rate greater (percentage-wise) than D*. It's possible that a number of HD subs are choosing other providers while non-HD subs are migrating from cable to satellite.
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post #77 of 1039
6/28/06 at 5:44pm
The biggest gains on that chart are with the two satcos. The cable companies have been basically stagnant for the last year and a half.

Note: The numbers are inclusive, for example, Comcast has a total of 21,495,000 subs-which includes 10,129,000 of them which are digital cable subs.

Note: That list is only of the Top 10 providers but the numbers for the rest of the cablecos is pretty much the same as the the ones listed as far as gains and losses.

I think cablecos have pretty much reached a saturation point as far as subs go, now they are pushing current subs to go digital, multiple services(telco etc.) and of course Comcast and TW bought Adelphia, both methods to increase revenue.

The total of all the numbers pretty much covers all the available households so the providers will essentially be trading subs back and forth, the same pool of possible customers, and satco is showing the biggest gains, by quite a margin over cable.
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post #78 of 1039
6/28/06 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by fredfa View Post

Do you have a source (and numbers) for this assertion?

It certainly doesn't seem to be borne out by the most recent quarterly subscriber results announced by the MSOs and satellite companies.

Do you read this board? How many posts do you see about cable and dish subscribers switching to directv primarily for their hd services and how many do you see vice versa, especially lately.

There aren't enough customers that strictly care about hd to make much of an impact on the overall numbers for these companies yet, but at least as far the scope and interests of the posters on this board, it's a definite trend.
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post #79 of 1039
6/28/06 at 6:24pm
No, TVBob, I don't read the board.

Puhleez!

But don't use anecdotal postings as evidence of anything larger than what they are.

Example: There have been many postings from people unhappy with the cancellation of "Huff".

Yet, according to Nielsen, only 211,000 people watched the finale.

You posted: "...Meanwhile, more and more hd users continue to switch to cable and dish...."

You didn't say more and more people on this thread or anything else. The fact is there is little evidence to back up your statement. And you apparently don't have any -- aside from postings on this board.

And if we based our beliefs on postings, it would be impossible to think that DirecTV had many subs at all, much less a substantial lead on every provider but Comcast.

And judging by all the "Comcrap" posts, it would be difficult to believe -- if we were using postings as our source -- that Comcast has by far the most subscribers.

Beliefs are one thing. Facts are often something else.
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post #80 of 1039
6/28/06 at 6:33pm
You didn't really read my entire post I don't think. I said it wouldn't make a difference in overall subscribers yet, because there aren't enough customers who are focused on hd. But among those in this community and that niche of customers that do, there is evidence of far more switching from directv to other services because of their respective hd offerings. There is no hard data for this, but if you spend time on this and similiar boards, it's pretty obvious. But again, there aren't enough people here to make a difference in a tv's show ratings, just like there aren't enough to make a difference in overall subscriber figures.

The bigger point would be is if directv does not shape up and deliver better hd services, it will affect them in the future as more and more typical customers focus on hd. To not realize this, is pure ignorance.

Sorry if I wasn't specific enough in my initial statement, but we are in an hdtv community afterall.
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post #81 of 1039
6/28/06 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

The biggest gains on that chart are with the two satcos. The cable companies have been basically stagnant for the last year and a half.

Note: The numbers are inclusive, for example, Comcast has a total of 21,495,000 subs-which includes 10,129,000 of them which are digital cable subs.

I think cablecos have pretty much reached a saturation point as far as subs go, now they are pushing current subs to go digital, multiple services(telco etc.) and of course Comcast and TW bought Adelphia, both methods to increase revenue.

The total of all the numbers pretty much covers all the available households so the providers will essentially be trading subs back and forth, the same pool of possible customers, and satco is showing the biggest gains, by quite a margin over cable.

They are trading subs, but which subs?. The point I was trying to make is that cable is seeing an increase in digital customers. Now obviously, many of those are moving from analog to digital with the same cableco, but many cable subs are moving to satellite, and I was speculating that the D* HD subs that are leaving are moving to digital cable and E*. Of course the number of HD subs is probably too low to make a difference in this data.

The question posed was where are the D* HD subs going? If they are leaving, they are going to cable or E*. Cable's flat numbers do not show how many SD for HD subs they are trading with satellite. Without a breakout of SD/HD subs, the data doesn't tell us much in trying to answer the original question.
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post #82 of 1039
6/28/06 at 8:08pm
TVBob -

Conclusions drawn from anecdotal evidence are risky. I've been loath to post on this topic lest we decend into yet another this service or that service sucks discussion, but...

I switched from cable to DirecTV (and their HD package) a year and a half ago and have been very pleased with D*. Granted, I switched from Mediacom (notice their dropping numbers in the table above) -- They are IMO one of the worst excuses for a cable provider and still my only available option for cable. I've had three HDTV's connected to D* and OTA HD. The latest is a Sammy HL-S5687W 1080p set. With careful adjustment, I've been able to get quite enjoyable picture quality in spite of HD Lite on all 3 sets (not as good as the best OTA, but still quite good). Yes, I'm still hoping that more satellites and MPEG4 will soon allow D* to maximize both HD and SD picture quality. In the meantime, I'm enjoying what I have (including NFL ST).

There may be a substantial number of satisfied D* viewers around who just prefer not to engage in the endless (and pointless) bickering about service providers.
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post #83 of 1039
6/28/06 at 10:17pm
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sub numbers look good to me. according to keenans chart, D* looks like 2nd largest overall, and decent growth IMO.
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post #84 of 1039
6/28/06 at 10:34pm
Hopefully DTV straightens out there HD track record.
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post #85 of 1039
6/29/06 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by John Menoni View Post

Hopefully DTV straightens out there HD track record.

Could you explain, please. Thanks.
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post #86 of 1039
6/29/06 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by TVBob View Post

Do you read this board? How many posts do you see about cable and dish subscribers switching to directv primarily for their hd services and how many do you see vice versa, especially lately.

There aren't enough customers that strictly care about hd to make much of an impact on the overall numbers for these companies yet, but at least as far the scope and interests of the posters on this board, it's a definite trend.

Well, I read this board - you know that. I in fact do read about people switching services, and I would agree that most (of those posting at AVS) are switching away from DirecTV. But you know what, the number of people that have said that is not even 25 in the past month or more. 25 people, out of 15+ MILLION subs. That's not even a pimple on a rats A**. It is a meaningless number to DirecTV, and keenans info more than backs that up.

BTW, there are a number (yes it is fewer) of posts of people leaving Dish for D* - maybe 3 or 4. NET result, they picked up about 20 SUBS from AVS. Now thats a powerful argument. And like YOU said, this is not to discredit you bob, but your point here is not valid IMO.

As far as the DirecTV better shape up part - I have to guess you do NOT listen to their webinars. Listen to the last one (last week), they talk about this SPECIFIC point, and ADMIT that they were behind in capacity. The FACTS about when that new capacity is going to be added is also WELL-KNOWN and not going to change.

No one who posts on this board should be naive to the D* rollout plan and its timeframe. If its not going fast enough for a person, they have the very choices much discussed at AVS. But continuing with the gloom and doom does NOT match the actual numbers (thanks keenan).
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post #87 of 1039
6/29/06 at 7:29am
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Could you explain, please. Thanks.

Perhaps he means the fact that directv has the poorest hd quality, least channels, and in some cases, the inability to record all hd channels, compared to other hd providers. Plans are nice, but until they deliver, this is how it stands. Where has it been confirmed when hd lite will disappear and what specific hd channels will be added anyway, besides locals.
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post #88 of 1039
6/29/06 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by TVBob View Post

Perhaps he means the fact that directv has the poorest hd quality, least channels, and in some cases, the inability to record all hd channels, compared to other hd providers. Plans are nice, but until they deliver, this is how it stands. Where has it been confirmed when hd lite will disappear and what specific hd channels will be added anyway, besides locals.

Again a negative post. And again you want to speak for someone else, again you intercept a question for someone else. I have gone out of my way to ignore your taunts, and will continue to do that.

I'll wait for the person I asked the question to respond, if you don't mind. Is it possible he was talking about something else?
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post #89 of 1039
6/29/06 at 7:46am
I doubt it, those are pretty much the main problems with directv hd.

I make plenty of positive posts are hd products and services, but I struggle to find much positive to say about directv when there are better hd providers.
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post #90 of 1039
6/29/06 at 7:47am
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Why haven't you switched to DISH yet?
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