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post #781 of 1940
10/26/06 at 9:12am
I agree the pearl seems to hold some advantages over the Mits. Both in contrast and brightness.

I wish the pearl offered some kind of vertical strectch.

I still have hope for the panny. They have exp in making DI's and it should be brighter then the Mits.

The mits would work for me except for the lost of lumens for placing it at a longer throw. Want to use with a anamorphic lense. The 5000 hours wont mean much if i have to run it on high mode all the time.
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post #782 of 1940
10/26/06 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by velvetpoet View Post

I still have hope for the panny. They have exp in making DI's and it should be brighter then the Mits.

For THose who were interested, yesterday The New Full HD Panny was revealed in Europe....

Here it is a perfect Article, in my Language ...

http://www.avmagazine.it/articoli/vi...000_index.html

You can see some interesting photo, like one where there is a very Bad chromatic aberration

Another Very good italian site that speaks about Projection is www.htprojectors.com , also in english, but there is no preview about the mitsu....
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post #783 of 1940
10/26/06 at 9:20am
Thanks SasaDF!
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post #784 of 1940
10/26/06 at 9:29am
I just don't get the PC review for the HC5000. It makes no sense. He says that you can fill a 120 inch screen with HC5000, but using 410 lumens on a screen with a gain of 1.0 (about the gain of the screen I'd like to purchase), gives a ftL of 9.1 on low mode and 11.8 on high mode, at the minimum distance from the screen. These numbers would decrease to 6.9 and around 9 ftL if you place the projector the maximum distance from the screen (which is what he recommends). And that's with a brand new bulb! Take 25-50 percent off that during the aging of the bulb. Those are horrendous numbers, even in a pitch black room. It is inexecusable that he could assert that this projector is suitable for a 120 inch screen without at least giving some warnings that you're going to need a high gain screen at that screen size. There is simply no reason for him not to remark that you either need a smaller screen with lower gain or a larger screen with higher gain in order to use this projector. I have completely lost faith in PC reviews.
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post #785 of 1940
10/26/06 at 9:36am
On the link to the panny review above...there is a smaller pic of the ae-1000 in the top left part of the review. Why does the projector shown in the smaller pic have a larger case than the one shown in the center large pic? If you look there seems to be a case extension piece on the rear of unit in the smaller pic. Curious what that is...it may not even be the same pj.

I'm curious as I'm starting to think I'm going to have to mount which ever 1080 unit I decide on into my rear wall and pj dimensions are now much more important to me. Luckily this wasn't the case with my ceiling mounted 13hd which is a LARGE pj.

Also...nice advert on the left of that link...European websites seem to always have the best advertising graphics.
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post #786 of 1940
10/26/06 at 10:14am
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On the link to the panny review above...there is a smaller pic of the ae-1000 in the top left part of the review. Why does the projector shown in the smaller pic have a larger case than the one shown in the center large pic? If you look there seems to be a case extension piece on the rear of unit in the smaller pic. Curious what that is...it may not even be the same pj.

Looks to me like it could be a cable hide of some sort... I've seen other projectors with optional extensions on the back which let you have one bundle of cables come out rather than the traditional wire-soup.
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post #787 of 1940
10/26/06 at 10:51am
Isn't this a Mitsubishi HC 5000 thread?

For those of you obsessing with the Pearl or other 1080p offerings why are you taking up space in this thread?

Go to a comparison thread like the Mits vs Pearl thread.

Why make someone looking for info on THIS projector have to sift through a bunch of speculative comparisons?
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post #788 of 1940
10/26/06 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by am1001
I downloaded the manual for the HC5000 and it said the maximum resolution for PC input is 1280 x 1024.

Do does that mean that if we have TS movie files at 1920 x 1080 they will be not be shown properly (without scaling down to 1280 x 1024). Also 1280 x 1024 is a 4:3 aspect ratio.

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You can use the DVI output from your computer and input it to the DVI or HDMI input on the projector in order to use 1080p.


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On the specification page (page 42) it classifies the dvi input as a computer input rather than video. However it does say that HDMI input is a video input

(see attached image for the spec page from the manual)

My graphics card (geforce 6800gt) does have a DVI output on it. So if I got a DVI to HDMI adaptor, could I show 1920 x 1080 high def TS files on the HC5000, in full res? Sounds superb if its possible.

Many thanks for any help
LL
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post #789 of 1940
10/26/06 at 11:06am
ummmm I really don't ever recall seeing a thread that doesn't make comparisons?

speculation is all we can do right now and what's wrong with people talking about their concerns from the projectorcentral review?

Sure the panny review probably should have been linked in another thread but is it really that big of a deal?

I always though forums where put in place to help facilitate discussion but maybe I'm wrong.
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post #790 of 1940
10/26/06 at 11:09am
am1001:

Look at page 43. It lists 1080/50p and 60p as available input signals for both DVI and HDMI. 1080/24p is missing, but the manual is probably an earlier revision. This signal was neither listed on the Mits web page at first.

The same list also has 480i and 576i available for HDMI input.
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post #791 of 1940
10/26/06 at 11:39am
Hi JaniH

Thanks - hopefully all will be ok now. The Mits 5000 is back on my wishlist!

Thanks again
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post #792 of 1940
10/26/06 at 11:41am
I think we can begin to sum things up from the few, already-posted, reviews...the HC5000 is not perfect and it is not the second coming of Christ, but it is a very good projector

I'm not sure what people were expecting with this unit. To me (and to the reviewers who have written so far) it offers a heck of a lot for the price that Mitsubishi is asking. It's all been right there in the specs since the beginning! Rated at 1000 ANSI lumens, uses a dynamic iris and is a LCD projector. Why on Earth are people so shocked that when you use the low lamp mode, adjust it to D65 and zoom out that you end up with something closer to 300-400 lumens? Isn't that extremely typical and normal of a projector rated at 1000 ANSI lumens? According to PC the Mitsu can actually come very close to that rated spec when adjusted for maximum light output at the expense of accuracy. Again, isn't that completely typical and normal?

We've known it uses a dynamic iris and that the new LCD panels have a native contrast ratio of around 1500:1. Why are people so surprised and upset that it can't kill DLP or LCoS in terms of shadow detail? And it still looks like a LCD projector? Well how DARE it! I mean it IS a LCD projector, but to still LOOK like one? That's just unacceptable!

C'mon folks...this thing is obviously very very good. Look at how much you're getting in terms of features (power zoom, focus and lens shift, super duper quiet, unusually long lamp life in low mode, top quality video processing) and then add that it has better on/off contrast and a deeper black level than a DarkChip2 DLP, ANSI contrast similar to the SXRD Pearl and a very sharp almost SDE free image. And all of this is coming it at the lowest price point for any 1080p projector! If it were more expensive or had claimed to be a lot brighter/higher in contrast/not LCD in its specs, then fine, maybe we should have expected more. But to me it looks like Mitsubishi hit this thing out of the park and delivered on exactly what the specs had indicated...whatever else people could have wanted is beyond me.

Jon
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post #793 of 1940
10/26/06 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by velvetpoet View Post

ummmm I really don't ever recall seeing a thread that doesn't make comparisons?

speculation is all we can do right now and what's wrong with people talking about their concerns from the projectorcentral review?

Sure the panny review probably should have been linked in another thread but is it really that big of a deal?

I always though forums where put in place to help facilitate discussion but maybe I'm wrong.

Nothing wrong with comparisons, speculation or discussion if it's on topic. There are too many post here that don't even mention the Mits - like the Panny one.

I don't know about you, but when I want to learn about a product on these forums or a specific topic (ie Pearl vs Mits which already has a thread for those interested). It's very frustrating to have to sort through mounds of off-topic issues as it is this thread is over 20 pages. Picture someone that hasn't followed this thread from the beginning like some of us.
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post #794 of 1940
10/26/06 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Teller View Post

I think we can begin to sum things up from the few, already-posted, reviews...the HC5000 is not perfect and it is not the second coming of Christ, but it is a very good projector

I'm not sure what people were expecting with this unit. To me (and to the reviewers who have written so far) it offers a heck of a lot for the price that Mitsubishi is asking. It's all been right there in the specs since the beginning! Rated at 1000 ANSI lumens, uses a dynamic iris and is a LCD projector. Why on Earth are people so shocked that when you use the low lamp mode, adjust it to D65 and zoom out that you end up with something closer to 300-400 lumens? Isn't that extremely typical and normal of a projector rated at 1000 ANSI lumens? According to PC the Mitsu can actually come very close to that rated spec when adjusted for maximum light output at the expense of accuracy. Again, isn't that completely typical and normal?

We've known it uses a dynamic iris and that the new LCD panels have a native contrast ratio of around 1500:1. Why are people so surprised and upset that it can't kill DLP or LCoS in terms of shadow detail? And it still looks like a LCD projector? Well how DARE it! I mean it IS a LCD projector, but to still LOOK like one? That's just unacceptable!

C'mon folks...this thing is obviously very very good. Look at how much you're getting in terms of features (power zoom, focus and lens shift, super duper quiet, unusually long lamp life in low mode, top quality video processing) and then add that it has better on/off contrast and a deeper black level than a DarkChip2 DLP, ANSI contrast similar to the SXRD Pearl and a very sharp almost SDE free image. And all of this is coming it at the lowest price point for any 1080p projector! If it were more expensive or had claimed to be a lot brighter/higher in contrast/not LCD in its specs, then fine, maybe we should have expected more. But to me it looks like Mitsubishi hit this thing out of the park and delivered on exactly what the specs had indicated...whatever else people could have wanted is beyond me.

Jon

I think you just hit it out of the park.
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post #795 of 1940
10/26/06 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

I think you just hit it out of the park.

Yes good post,I hope the Tigers can hit it out of the park tonight.BUDDA
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post #796 of 1940
10/26/06 at 12:39pm
yeah, great post Jon. I think that the more people get the more they want. I guess it's just part of human nature. I never even imagined that I'd be able to get a projector of this calibur for so little money this soon. (Little being relative of course. )
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post #797 of 1940
10/26/06 at 1:05pm
"We've known ... that the new LCD panels have a native contrast ratio of around 1500:1."

We have? AFAIK the only info was many times more CR than the D5, which was rated by an unknown method at a number less than complete pj's were delivering.

By comparison C2Fine pj's should be delivering 2- 3K:1 on/off CR w/o DI.
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post #798 of 1940
10/26/06 at 1:15pm
I might have missed it somewhere...Who is selling this thing and when will it ship?
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post #799 of 1940
10/26/06 at 1:22pm
Here I can say to you: in Italy I'm the organizer of a Co Buy, that will bring to the buyers the Mitsu Hc5000 at about or less @3.400
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post #800 of 1940
10/26/06 at 1:58pm
http://projectorreviews.com/Manufact...00BL/index.asp


wooot another review up


"All that explanation aside, the Mitsubishi HC5000BL does achieve extremely good black levels overall, within the limits of the technology. While, in scenes with more than a little very bright areas, it can't match a DLP projector (they are inherently better at black levels), the performance should satisfy the demands of most fairly critical viewers, and be a non-issue for the vast majority."

"Moving on, to shadow detail. Contrast and Brightness, out of the box were very acceptable, and as a result, the HC5000 did very well in terms of shadow detail
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post #801 of 1940
10/26/06 at 2:37pm
How come none of them are mentioning the DI ??

Edit: How come I didn't see that when I read it
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post #802 of 1940
10/26/06 at 2:42pm
he mentions the di.

also of note its a preproduction unit so it might be improved?



"have my usual, slight reservations about dynamic irises. I prefer a Darkchip3 solution for consistantly producing the blackest blacks, to an iris, which will have black levels changing from scene to scene. Like most LCD projectors with dynamic irises, you can occasionally detect it's operation if being observant, however, there are three different Auto Iris settings and I didn't get a chance to really explore the performance differences between them.

That said, I was able to detect the iris at work in several scene changes, and within scenes, in Phantom, and also Serenity, the two movies that I spent the most time with on the HC5000BL (both off of HD-DVD). I didn't find it annoying at all, in fact, it was mostly noticeable only when I was looking for its affect.

Seriously, the Auto Iris/black level issue is the only real complaint I have with the Mitsubishi HC5000BL projector! When the Auto Iris does its thing, on scenes without really bright areas, the HC5000BL delivers really excellent black levels, rivaling my BenQ PE8720. On the scenes mostly dark, but with some very bright areas, those Darkchip3 DLP's do blacker blacks.

Perhaps the really important point here, is that it really was a pleasure watching Phantom, and the 5th Element, and even Sin City (a real challenge for dynamic iris projectors).
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post #803 of 1940
10/26/06 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by anbjornk View Post

How come none of them are mentioning the DI ??

Edit: How come I didn't see that when I read it

Greetings,

What's a DI? have I missed a projector? thought I saw them all at Cedia -a
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post #804 of 1940
10/26/06 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by ctviggen View Post

I just don't get the PC review for the HC5000. It makes no sense. He says that you can fill a 120 inch screen with HC5000, but using 410 lumens on a screen with a gain of 1.0 (about the gain of the screen I'd like to purchase), gives a ftL of 9.1 on low mode and 11.8 on high mode, at the minimum distance from the screen. These numbers would decrease to 6.9 and around 9 ftL if you place the projector the maximum distance from the screen (which is what he recommends). And that's with a brand new bulb! Take 25-50 percent off that during the aging of the bulb. Those are horrendous numbers, even in a pitch black room.

I concur, I think 120 is just too big (unless a very, very high gain screen with limited viewing angle.

Most of us, however end up with less ftl than the optimum, if you want to keep the ftl up around 13 for most of the lamp life (and with lens slightly wide angle), pushing more than 100" is probably not a good idea.

However, I was very comfortable with the Hc5000 on my 106" carada bw (claims 1.4 gain, probalby more like 1.3), with zoom in the middle. (new lamp of course) and with it on standard (full power). With that screen, new lamp, and zoom position, the projector had lumens to spare, in my room with dark brown/beige walls.

For most I'll stick with a 110" maximum recommendation. I'd love to get the Sony in, to see if it really cranks out more lumens. It's nice to hear someone got those measurements, although it goes against most of what I've heard so far. -a
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post #805 of 1940
10/26/06 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by presenter View Post

Greetings,

What's a DI? have I missed a projector? thought I saw them all at Cedia -a

Never mind, the brain isn't funcitioning. Didn't see the earlier threads - I now assume DI = dynamic iris. -a correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #806 of 1940
10/26/06 at 4:14pm
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I now assume DI = dynamic iris. -a correct me if I'm wrong.

Correct

The model you tested was a preproduction sample?

Nice review btw.
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post #807 of 1940
10/26/06 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by anbjornk View Post

Correct

The model you tested was a preproduction sample?

Nice review btw.


Yes, it is mentioned in the review that it is a pre-production sample.
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post #808 of 1940
10/26/06 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by anbjornk View Post

Correct

The model you tested was a preproduction sample?

Nice review btw.

Thanks, yes, that is my understanding. Quite often the review units are the first few off of the production line, before things are finalized, and volume production is ramped up. This has been the case before, and typical of that, it arrived in the US a few days or week ahead of first dealer shipments. due to vacation and having a few other projectors here, I had the HC5000 a full week before I even started the review. It also had a Sample sticker on it, which I haven't seen on Mitsubishi projectors I have reviewed, that came in to me from their PR firm (PR firms usually provide the review units), for other Mitsubishi projectors that I got well after they started shipping.

Keep in mind though, that a unit this close to full production, should be close to final production performance, unlike the occasional review unit that shows up a month before dealer shipments. Really early units (unlike this one), typically have significant problems, and also typically aren't as bright. We've seen that viewing early pre-production projectors at trade shows, etc.
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post #809 of 1940
10/26/06 at 4:33pm
Thanks for the great Mits 5000 review Art. Verry informative

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but do you plan to review the Pearl sometime soon? From all acounts (Jason Turk, Cine4home, etc..), it sounds like the calibrated lumens should be an advantage on the Sony. I would be curious to see how the two compare as a lot of others would as well.
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post #810 of 1940
10/26/06 at 4:51pm
Projector Central's review:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/mitsubishi_hc5000.htm

Boy does this thing suck.
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