Some insight on the dual layer 50GB discs. - Page 3  

Let's all say it together now: HD-DVD can also do 1080p! It's just that the current player out there cannot yet output at 1080p.

Very true. But even Sony has stated, it's a future-proof technology. They've demonstrated that BD50 is possible, they just have to work out the kinks (just like DVD9 when it first came out).

Don't get me wrong, HD-DVD is smoking Blu-Ray right now, it's not even close. But let's see what happens come the holiday season (when the public is in a spending mood).

I dont know I like the interactivity of HD dvd itself thats always nice I can watch movie and still interact with dvd itself.

I stick my figners in the hole of my Basic Instinct dvd all the time to. Some times i use it as my pepperidge farm goldfish holder. My friends and I play Ultimate Frisbee with it. And my girlfriend even keeps it in her pocketbook as a mirror for when she goes out. Is this the kind of interactivity your looking for?

Are you a professional apologist, or do you just play one in the forum?

"Newer technology"? What's so new about it? The major difference between HD DVD and Blu-ray is that Blu-ray made the wrong-headed decision to put the data layer too close to the disc surface, which has only succeeded in dramatically reducing production yields.

HD DVD is a natural evolution of the past 9 years of development of the DVD format and has jumped out of the gate ready to go. HD DVD has learned from DVD. Blu-ray, on the other hand, has decided to start over from scratch for no sound reason, forgetting everything that DVD taught us for the past 9 years, and is now stumbling around like an infant with no idea what it's doing or where to go.

Newer technology... Give me a break. If there had never been such a thing as digital video for the better part of the past decade, and there was no competition so clearly better developed and implemented, perhaps we might forgive Blu-ray for these embarrassing growing pains. But in light of those factors, what Blu-ray has given us so far is shameful, an absolute disgrace.

just wanted to say thats pretty rude..... :eek: if thats not considered trolling and Im considered trolling then I should start to say the same things to be considered on the, "in crowd here" :rolleyes:

hahaahahahaahah god damn, that's funny!

Pervert!!!!

Well I've asked you to respond to what kinds of interactivity blu-ray will have and you respond with stuff like:

Number one be blue ray on my display because 1080p is the highest resolution if you cant afford it dont buy blu ray check your eyes cause its different for everyone.


Or one of your other greatest hits man. Feel free to respond to me in whatever form you please. I know your just joking around here as I am too.

It would be difficult to see how with $30-40 or so in royalties per player, and expensive blue lasers, and 1GB of memory per player (etc.), that $150-$200 can be reached sooner than 2-3 years minimum.

Did you mean "DVD" is still the favorite to win?

Gary

naw I already reported you, but moderators told me you have a money stake in the forums and they wont do nothing to you....so I guess no big deal anymore....well I was talking about interacvivity as in she sticks her fingers up my ass and wiggles it around...now thats true blu ray interactivity that HD dvd can not give me.....man wha thave the forums gone to from blu ray to sticking fingers up each others asses... :) :) any joiners here? how about a circle jerk? :D

not as funny as him sticking his fingers up your ******* :D

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Thank you, Ken. That poster was extremely frustrating.

I drill a small hole in them and hang them on a string on my cherry tree in the front yard to scare the blu jays away. Today, just when I was about to pick them, all of the cherries disappeared. Darn blu jays... :D

Oh i was just starting to warm up to him :(

I will miss him ;)

Sony will release sample quantities of BD 50 for SPHE and other studios shortly and should have capacity and use BD 50 for some big titles in Nov. and Dec..

They are birthing at this stage and everyone needs to be patient for the format to have the best potential.

They are also working on BD 100 and up to 200 and are testing bit rates much higher than 24-25 (Amir’s last number for MPEG2 transparency as of April---- apparently it changed this week to 30 :eek: I do not know how high it will be in August ;) ).
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These do not reflect my personal views nor those of my employer (I’m self-employed :p ).
These come from the Presidential level at Sony. :)

Are you a professional HD DVD fanboy? :rolleyes:

erm he is a Staff Reviewer, DVDTalk :D

I changed the number after seeing how awful BD titles like Terminator were at 22-24 Mbit/sec ;).

If you want to put 8 layers in a disc, first one has to be quite close to surface.
Sony does not care what the yields are righ now, when they are selling just thousands of discs per month. What they care about is what the yields are when they are selling millions of brd-movies per month. That's when the money is done.

Next year brd can offer 50 GB, hd-dvd 30 GB.
2008 brd will offer 100 GB, hd-dvd 30 GB.
2009 brd will offer 200 GB, hd-dvd 30 GB.
How long you want to stick with already 9 year old technology?

I think you forgot this year.

Even when they put only one layer on a disc, the first one is very close to surface. Why do you think they're having very low yields with single layer discs as well?

9 year old tech... Blu-ray came out in late 2003, so that's not "new" either. Besides, what's wrong with old and proven technology? Think about airplanes and cars.

and how are the current players supposed to play 8-layer discs?

The BD ROM A/V spec is limited to 2 layers.

The D-VHS bitrate sounds more valid.

Listen, you're going to have to learn to ignore a lot of facts if you plan to see things from the Blu Ray camp side.

So anyone buying the Samsung, Sony, or Pioneer now will have to buy new players by 2008? First, I don't think that any of the players released this year will ever support anything over 50GB, so 50GB is the maximum you would see for movies. Second, if you are right and movies are released on 100GB discs, then the people that are ready to buy right now should just wait or else be really pissed when they realize they can't play the movies released in 2008. You have got to be kidding. Here's what I think is going to happen when most of the studios support both formats. The studios will encode movies using VC1 to fit on both 25GB Blu-ray discs and 30GB HD-DVD discs. The HD-DVD discs will have a slight advantage of extra space for extras. When 50GB is used for Blu-ray, then Blu-ray would have the much bigger space available for extras. Sure, every once in a while Blu-ray movies will take advantage of the larger disc for longer movies, but in the long run it is going to make a lot more sense for the studios to only encode the movie once.

Like Kai said, BD A/V spec is limited to BD-50. Don't expect to see players supporting larger discs maybe ever. Sony and its partners may well be able to go up to 6 or 8 layers in the future, but those discs will be for computer use. Heck, I'd love a 200GB disc for data backups. Dunno if I can wait for 2-3 years for that, tho. I'm sure something else equally capacious comes along sooner than that from someone else.