The official Marantz VP-11S1 1080P DLP thread !

Bet the picture quality doesn't

Well isn't that an enlightning posts!!!!....How do you really feel???

$18,000.00
I'm a total Marantz fan, yet even i had to gulp at that for a single chipper.
Before Tryg starts to get his teeth into this thread, i would say that is too much(IMHO) even if there wasn't a Ruby around.(The Ruby "streets" for around $11350 upwards in the uk )
(i assume since the UK street is higher than the US MSRP this is OK to mention here?)
I understand that the chip has been upgraded to 1080p, but what other things have increased the price so much from an S4?

I can assure you that has totally finished any thoughts i had of getting one.(even though i have two spare bulbs that will fit it!)

I assume it will be stunning and class leading, but i think i may as well wait for 3 chip 1080 after all.
If i'm going to pay big(and 3 chip 1080 will be big), i may as well get the whole shooting match.

I better go tell the S3 i still love her...(for now! )

Hang on a moment though...
I've just checked the exchange rate, and it works out at £9500.
I didn't realise we are getting nearly two dollars to the pound at the moment.
I incorrectly assumed it would work out/convert to £11/12,000.

Still expensive, but i will have to see how much it streets for

Seems very tough to pay $18000 MSRP when the Ruby is $10,000 MSRP, I think I read the Optoma too, and hopefully the Sharp as well. When you put on top of that the Cinetron will be $6k MSRP, seems too high for sure.

Join the club. Marantz you can be serious? Dan Miller is the pricing correct?

Im sure they are serious. We will get the standard response too, optics, etc. I am tired of the pricing talk because anything can be justified.

Marantz has a somewhat different demographic than Infocus and BenQ. They will sell this projector in adequate numbers. Look at Runco...they've been selling at a premium for years.

TA

You received that info from Marantz? Last I heard MSRP on the VP11s1 was 20k.

Unless things have changed, it's going to be $18,500 or in marketing price, $18,499. Yeah, at that level the $1 difference is huge

Best,

I understood this when I bought and paid a premium for my VP-12S3 over the Sharp and Sim2. However when Sharp is releaseing their 1080P DLP projector at $10,000 I would of thought the premium would remain the same as they carried through to the new range of 1080P DLP's i.e RRP of $15,000 for the Marantz VP-11S1. $18,500 is more than I thought they would price it at and a lot harder to swallow. Looks like I will keep my S3 for a bit longer and have another look at the Sony Ruby.

Spizz,
I am seriously considering the Ruby again as well.
Edgeyboy had one for the weekend, and reported no/minimal convergence errors and the screen halo was gone.
He did say he could see slight corner brightness, but a lot less than when we first viewed at Christmas.
I sometimes think the S3 is just too damned good to even think of any upgrade except 3 chip 1080 DLP!

I went from marantz VP12 S3 to Ruby. Huge upgrade guys.

Well, I'm not going to talk about price except to say that we are competitive. We will outperform every other 1080p projector on the market. The S4 at 720 beats a Ruby in every area except screen door if you are sitting close unless you count dynamic inaccuracies as being better. The VP-11S1 will be worth every penny and then some. And the MSRP is $19,999.

Flamesuit is on.

Its out on preoder in the UK for less than 9K (ok,by 5pence), and the S4 just had a 2k price drop as well.

Dan,

Is the throw ratio shorter than the S4? Are there going to be different lense options like on the S4?

regards

Yes and Yes

My dealer, who is a Marantz direct dealer, told me that MSRP is at $18,000. More info coming from Marantz in the next couple of weeks.

After reading Dan's post, I guess he was wrong .. or it is still in flux. He was looking at an official release/email from Marantz and reading it to me after I asked him about it.

As far as Ruby "dynamic inaccuracies" are you talking about RBE, dithering, and false contours?

You left out picture quality, too. I have seen them both as well, and I didnt believe it was even close, and neither did my dealer who had an S4 up and took it down after he saw the Ruby. He is a direct dealer for both Marantz and Sony.

Indeed Paul's S3 looks absolutely stunning with HD material, and I can only begin to imagine what the VP11 S1 will look like with HD.

Dan is the throw longer than the S3? Will the different lens throw options add to the price?

I have the solution. The projector must be MSRP 17.995 + lens. I am sure the Marantz will be super performer. I think the biggest pressure will come from other 1080p dlps. Some company might just blow the whole pricing structure. Good for consumers in the short time frame but in the long run is it so?

Dan,

Price change again, eh?

Best,

So, it's 1 dollar short of being in the $20,000+ forum!

I'm sure it will be great, but i have decided to give "upgrading" a miss this year.

Better remote though...

No it does not. Neither does it resolve the 1080p detail a Ruby resolves nor can it touch the lack of haze with some kinds of dark material (and there is dark material not affected by highlight compression artifacts, for the rest it's a matter of taste if you prefer haze over compression or compression over haze). (Not to mention rainbow artifacts, dithering noise and error diffusion artifacts the Ruby does not have).

I'm not going to argue. I'm not talking about taste. I'm talking about accuracy and it can be proven. Unless you are in the industry and get paid to spend the countless number of hours doing controlled tests in controlled environments, then it is just a judgement call. The Ruby is a good projector for 10k. It isn't a 20k projector that is losing money, or even a 15k projector for that matter. And when you create a test signal that has 1080p resolution, then yes, the Sony wins. Unfortunately, the best real world video material doesn't even begin to approach that level of detail. So when you level the field and turn off dynamic black(DBX for video?... It is easy to show test signals that demonstrate exactly how bad that circuit is as far as accuracy goes), there wasn't a person present (and I showed over 50) who didn't chose the S4 (without knowing what they were choosing too...)