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post #10111 of 11733
Well, the dreaded time has finally come. I have to part with my beloved Hitachi 65F59 HDTV. And just when I had cleaned and tweaked it to a superb picture, using the best advice in the world on this forum. I have officially retired. The wife (of 42 wonderful years) and I are downsizing our residence and moving into a much smaller house in Stow Massachusetts. We will be moving in January and February to be 1.5 miles from my youngest Son, his wife and their expectant new son (in February). Anyway, the big Hitachi box will not fit well in the 12 x 12 living room of the new home. Oh how the mighty have fallen! So I will be trying to sell it before moving. I bought it new in 2007. It is in like new condition. And everything works fine. It just doesn’t pass the WAF anymore. If anyone on this forum is interested in it. Let me know. And we can arrange something offline. It must be picked up in Massachusetts, or arrangements must be made to ship it by the buyer. I will not move it or ship it. I hope it finds a great new home. I will be moving my smaller Sony 34” XBR KD 970 HD CRT into the new living room. It’s funny, because that sucker is fatter than the Hitachi. But the wife loves the big 8’ entertainment furniture piece it resides in for her decorations. Go figure. I won’t miss anything on PQ between the Hitachi and Sony. But I will dearly miss the size.
post #10112 of 11733
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

Well, the dreaded time has finally come. I have to part with my beloved Hitachi 65F59 HDTV. And just when I had cleaned and tweaked it to a superb picture, using the best advice in the world on this forum. I have officially retired. The wife (of 42 wonderful years) and I are downsizing our residence and moving into a much smaller house in Stow Massachusetts...

...If anyone on this forum is interested in it. Let me know. And we can arrange something I won't miss anything on PQ between the Hitachi and Sony. But I will dearly miss the size.

Sorry you have to give up such a fine set. Sure you can't negotiate with your wife?

But congratulations on moving to the lovely area of Stow and its environs!
post #10113 of 11733
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

Sorry you have to give up such a fine set. Sure you can't negotiate with your wife?

But congratulations on moving to the lovely area of Stow and its environs!

Thanks taichi. My heart aches over this. I vasicillated over it for 2 months. But we also have a $4000 entertainment center housing the Sony fatboy. And the wife decorates it very pretty on a seasonal basis. She has the top of that thing looking like a Swiss village during Christmas time. So I got beat down pretty bad suggesting we keep the 65"er. I live in Easton MA right now in a 4800 sf beast of a house. She and I are like 2 old ghosts wandering through this big thing by ourselves. It's way too much to upkeep properly. We are moving into a cozy 1200 sf bungalow in beautiful Stow. And I am really looking forward to it except for losing my Hitachi. If we ever decide to part with the entertainment center, I'll probably just buy a small 1080p DLP front projector and screen to shoot a 92" image on the wall. Or I may do that later this year and lower the screen in front of the EC to watch movies and big events like the SuperBowl. I know it won't come anywhere near the PQ of my beloved Hitachi. But I won't look back once I lose it.
post #10114 of 11733
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

...We are moving into a cozy 1200 sf bungalow in beautiful Stow. And I am really looking forward to it except for losing my Hitachi. If we ever decide to part with the entertainment center, I'll probably just buy a small 1080p DLP front projector and screen to shoot a 92" image on the wall. Or I may do that later this year and lower the screen in front of the EC to watch movies and big events like the SuperBowl. I know it won't come anywhere near the PQ of my beloved Hitachi. But I won't look back once I lose it.

Well, making your wife happy is a virtue, and you're moving to a beautiful part of the country. I have some great memories of visits to that neck of the woods. One thing for sure, if you like ice cream you can't get great examples of it in Mass.

By the time you decide to get a FP I'll bet the quality will be very good. They're getting better and more affordable.
post #10115 of 11733
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Those fatboy Sonys are capable of a dazzling picture if you know what you're doing. They have HD service menus in there that very few other brands have. The closest is Samsung, and it's not nearly as elaborate as the Sony's is.

Let me know if you want to truly dial that thing in. Sorry you've had to part with your Hitachi. Did you know that you only have to sit 8' back from a truly dialed in 65" CRT? Would that make a difference?

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post #10116 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Those fatboy Sonys are capable of a dazzling picture if you know what you're doing. They have HD service menus in there that very few other brands have. The closest is Samsung, and it's not nearly as elaborate as the Sony's is.

Let me know if you want to truly dial that thing in. Sorry you've had to part with your Hitachi. Did you know that you only have to sit 8' back from a truly dialed in 65" CRT? Would that make a difference?

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Hi Bob:
I will definitely give you a call when we move into the new place. And setup a phone consult on the Fatboy. I didn't know about the service menu in it at all. Can we dail it in over the phone, or will you need to be present? Those little tanks can be intimidating, with all of the magnets and other assundry electrical stuff in them, when they are open. And I don't have any equipment for deguassing or working inside of it.

I did draw a thin line in the sand with the wife on the Fatboy. She wanted me to dump both CRTs and go totally flat. Even though she strongly prefers the image of the Sony over our flat panel 32" Toshiba in the bedroom. She watches FatBoy all of the time. But I long ago concluded, I am from Mars. And she is from Venus. But we are forever bound together by our 3 MarVenus children and soon to be, 5 grandkids.

I tussled mightily with your last question. I figured the big 8' wide x 3' deep sofa would take up much of one wall. And the 96"W x 28"D x 63" H Entertainment Center will take up the other one. The Hitachi is 61" W x 25" D x 59" H in comparison. So its pretty much a wash between them both except for width. Both would only leave about only 7' of space between the sofa and screen. You are correct in that the sitting distance from the rear pillows of the sofa subtracts another 2 feet. Giving a true seating distance of 8-9 feet. I want the gang here to know that the battle over those 7'-9' ensued with all of the ferocity of "The Battle of The Bulge".

But here is where I got caught in her stare down logic Bob. She said, "What about the side chair/mini sofa. That will be just 4' from the massive beast". I swiftly countered with a killer fact. "The EC is a 4 piece cherry wood design with two, 2' W end pieces; one 4' W center piece; all linked together by a slide on 8' top shelf (crown molded). We can separate them Honey to utilize space more efficiently and store the top in the basement". And we can put fatboy in the extra bedroom you banish me too sometimes when I'm snoring too loud.

CRASHHHHH!...as all getup!

The flames from my descent still drifts in the Boston air like a Chem Trail! I waved the white flag...surrendered...committed to sell the Hitachi in the moving sale...licked my wounds...retreated to the family room...and tried to muster up some love for FatBoy. You have to understand...if I'm Archie. Fatboy is Betty. And the Hitachi is Veronica. I put up a spirited battle. But basically the wife said...I don't care if you sleep with JugHead in that room...The EC is going in the living room. That's my sad story. But I have one final straw up my sleeve that may keep the Hitachi near my paws to battle her another day. But that is another story for another time.
post #10117 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Can't wait!



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post #10118 of 11733
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

... But I have one final straw up my sleeve that may keep the Hitachi near my paws to battle her another day. But that is another story for another time.

A noble fight, in my opinion. Of course the greatest generals preferred strategic action over force.


No movie is good on a small screen.
post #10119 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Boy, you got that right! Had to watch Jurassic Park on my mom's 26" Mit that I had installed in her console, replacing the 20" round-tube Zenith CRT, and it was less than deflating. Underwhelming?

Let's just say I knew what I was missing because luckily I had seen it out at the movies. Otherwise I woulda said "What a quaint little movie. Not very impressive, but quaint all the same..."

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post #10120 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Boy, you got that right! Had to watch Jurassic Park on my mom's 26" Mit that I had installed in her console, replacing the 20" round-tube Zenith CRT, and it was less than deflating. Underwhelming?

Let's just say I knew what I was missing because luckily I had seen it out at the movies. Otherwise I woulda said "What a quaint little movie. Not very impressive, but quaint all the same..."

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It's hard to get thrilled by chameleons raging across a small screen, chasing people the size of mice.
post #10121 of 11733
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

It's hard to get thrilled by chameleons raging across a small screen, chasing people the size of mice.

That reminds me of a buddy of mine. He hadn't seen Jurassic in the theater, so when it came out on video, he quickly rented it and called me over to watch. Unfortunately, as was common at his house, he needed to watch with the volume low so as not to disturb sleeping parents.

To summarize, watching pan and scan VHS on a 26" TV through TV speakers at a whisper of a volume. At the end of the movie he looked over at me and said, "I don't get what the big deal was".

Yeah.
post #10122 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Yes, congrats from me too! A late model 73" Mit with low hours can truly be a wonder to behold once cleaned and fully supertweaked. Shots of mine can be found on page 260 of this very thread.

Get those optics cleaned - be careful, any mistakes and the damage is permanent, contact me directly if you want to be sure and get it done right - and get it calibrated and the overscan taken in. Then you'll have a picture to die for.

There is no easy list of models that have the Mit-designed drip shed - which is actually a drip cup - but yours is around the model years that had it. It's made of plastic and is kind of a trough beneath all 3 of the guns, a single piece that goes the whole distance. If it's not there, rig up some flexible plastic, like from loose leaf binder separators. Use plastic zip ties to hold them in place and place them so they will not allow any dripped coolant to plop onto the board beneath.

b

Thanks for your reply Mr. Bob and thanks for the congrats on the tv!

I've taken a look and can't tell for sure if there is a crt drip cup/shield installed or not. Would you happen to have any pics of it, or know where they are at online (or maybe pics of the shields you installed in your tv)? Also, what causes the coolant to leak--when the CRTs get hot, from moving the unit, faulty seals, or something else?

The tv has a great pic from my Wii and DVD player in 480P (recently ordered a blu ray player and a OTA HD receiver for 1080i, so I'm excited for that), but noticed that some of my older game systems that use composite connections don't have the best picture. Anything I can do to make the picture brighter and have deeper color? I haven't yet received the remote, so I can't get to most of the advanced menus yet, although the it should be arriving any day now.

Finally, I couldn't find much by searching this, but are the caps on the DM board for this unit defective like other Mit tvs? In the event that they go, where's the best place to get high quality replacements?
post #10123 of 11733
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Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post

That reminds me of a buddy of mine. He hadn't seen Jurassic in the theater, so when it came out on video, he quickly rented it and called me over to watch. Unfortunately, as was common at his house, he needed to watch with the volume low so as not to disturb sleeping parents.

To summarize, watching pan and scan VHS on a 26" TV through TV speakers at a whisper of a volume. At the end of the movie he looked over at me and said, "I don't get what the big deal was".

Yeah.

Even worse. Mini dinosaurs bleating at a treble-voiced Jeff Goldblum.
post #10124 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Oh! The horror...



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post #10125 of 11733
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ejohnsto View Post

Thanks for your reply Mr. Bob and thanks for the congrats on the tv!

I've taken a look and can't tell for sure if there is a crt drip cup/shield installed or not. Would you happen to have any pics of it, or know where they are at online (or maybe pics of the shields you installed in your tv)? Also, what causes the coolant to leak--when the CRTs get hot, from moving the unit, faulty seals, or something else?

The tv has a great pic from my Wii and DVD player in 480P (recently ordered a blu ray player and a OTA HD receiver for 1080i, so I'm excited for that), but noticed that some of my older game systems that use composite connections don't have the best picture. Anything I can do to make the picture brighter and have deeper color? I haven't yet received the remote, so I can't get to most of the advanced menus yet, although the it should be arriving any day now.

Finally, I couldn't find much by searching this, but are the caps on the DM board for this unit defective like other Mit tvs? In the event that they go, where's the best place to get high quality replacements?

Can't take the time for pix right now, but it's a black plastic trough under the metal CRT cowlings. Will get pix up when I have the time. I suspect it's from bad seals, as other brands including the big ceiling projectors use an overflow bladder, which Mit did not use. You never see this problem with overflow bladders. Once the pressure eventually escapes from those bad seals, it usually doesn't leak again, and usually doesn't leak enough to be visibly intrusive to the image.

Don't expect much from composite if you've already been spoiled by HD. The better way to get your sig there would be S video, if your game supports that. Component is best, but you game may not support that. Your fidelity is always limited by what your source supports, unless you want to spring for very expensive scaler equipment.

Don't worry about those caps until and unless they go out. Or replace them now with the subs, which are of a different value. They were designed with 1000uF/16v 105 degree C caps, the recommendation from Mit is to replace those with 680uF caps instead of 1000uF, all else staying the same.

There will be either a set of 4 or a set of 7 of them in there, in the DM Module.

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post #10126 of 11733
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

By the time you decide to get a FP I'll bet the quality will be very good. They're getting better and more affordable.

That is my plan B. I have my eye on a Vivitek H1080FD DLP model at Circuit City for $699. I'm counting on her caving in on the Hitachi to avoid buying something new...and having a 80-90 foot screen drop down in front of the EC for movie and sport watching. I highly doubt she will be thrilled to see Bob Newhart and MTM/Ted Baxter reruns at 90"s! I of course will be thrilled if the FP DLP comes even close to the PQ on the Hitachi. Even though I doubt it.
post #10127 of 11733
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

That is my plan B. I have my eye on a Vivitek H1080FD DLP model at Circuit City for $699. I'm counting on her caving in on the Hitachi to avoid buying something new...and having a 80-90 foot screen drop down in front of the EC for movie and sport watching. I highly doubt she will be thrilled to see Bob Newhart and MTM/Ted Baxter reruns at 90"s! I of course will be thrilled if the FP DLP comes even close to the PQ on the Hitachi. Even though I doubt it.

A brilliant strategy on your part. A two pronged approach, with a good outcome either way. My hat is off to you.
post #10128 of 11733
Happy New Year to all the diehards, videophiles, and retro-technos on this thread!

Good health, and solutions to problems this year.
post #10129 of 11733
Problems? My resolution is to have NO problems this year!
Happy New Year to all.
Michael
post #10130 of 11733
Happy New Year everyone!
Resolution is to have a better year than last year...
post #10131 of 11733
Thread Starter 
I second, third and fourth those emotions. Happy New Year!

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post #10132 of 11733
Thread Starter 
It has come to my attention that Yelp!'s Review Filter is becoming injurious to valid small businesses everywhere. Yours may be one of them. I have 6 rave reviews of my work there - no bad ones at all - and 5 of them are being suppressed by their filter. Their explanation of what it's supposed to do does not fit with what's actually going on, and it's all so automated that there seems to be nobody with talk with about it who has any power to change it.

I just sent them what's in the quotes below, in their Contact Us. I would appreciate some of you writing in too about it.

If you like what I have done here for you on this thread, please review me. If they will not answer my Contact Us message with a valid solution, from what I have heard the only way to get that review filter to not suppress perfectly good reviews is to use Yelp a lot. Pretty tricky on their part, if you ask me.

So if I have helped you in any way shape or form over the years, please review Image Perfection on www.Yelp.com.


Here's what I just sent them:

"I have six 5 star reviews that have been sent in to Yelp. 5 of those have been suppressed by your Filter. Yet they are all 5 star reviews.

This is hurting me professionally. You are doing me a disservice and not allowing rave reviews on my work.

I would like you to override your renegade Review Filter and show my positive reviews.

Robert Jones
Owner, Image Perfection"


Thanks for listening and have a great year!

Mr Bob
post #10133 of 11733
Yelp's aggressive filters have been the subject of many news stories and investigatory articles. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is any recourse... they have a "hands off" policy specifically to avoid any possibility of accusations of favoritism. It's all in the algorithm, flawed though it may be, which is why they're constantly tweaking it.

Here's a radio interview with one of the higher-ups at Yelp discussing the situation, that I happened to listen to a few months back:
http://www.scpr.org/programs/patt-mo...amationslander
post #10134 of 11733
Boy, that is all true. I wrote a very thoughtful restaurant review for an Indian restaurant here in Los Angeles, completely objective, but highly complementary, It appeared on Yelp for a day or two, and then was yanked off for no good reason. It's better to rely upon people to recognize for themselves what is spam, rather than over censoring. Obviously their filter is completely incapable of telling the difference.
post #10135 of 11733
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

Boy, that is all true. I wrote a very thoughtful restaurant review for an Indian restaurant here in Los Angeles, completely objective, but highly complementary, It appeared on Yelp for a day or two, and then was yanked off for no good reason. It's better to rely upon people to recognize for themselves what is spam, rather than over censoring. Obviously their filter is completely incapable of telling the difference.

I hate to defend them, because I agree that there are clearly serious issues with their algorithms, but they are right about it being a constant struggle to outwit those trying to game the system. It's unfortunate that so much legit stuff is being filtered as well, however.

Two thoughts, in spite of that:

1) The posts aren't DELETED, they are just moved one level lower, requiring users to make one extra click to see the filtered reviews. The better you are at using Yelp, the more you can realize that there can often be good info hidden there... but this is a question of end-user education, so only the more experienced Yelpers are likely to know about this.

2) Yelp is largely driven by "reputation". The reputation in question is NOT the reputation of the business being reviewed, but rather, it's the reputation of the reviewer that's the most important thing. This helps Yelp weed out "review farms" where people are paid to write bogus reviews. The more reviews you write, for varied companies (particularly companies that are local to you, in your geographical area), the more likely Yelp will be to treat your reviews as valid... especially when other Yelp users mark your reviews as helpful. Ditto for how often you "check in" to places, and are otherwise active on Yelp. The point to all of this is this: If a small business convinces a client to sign on to Yelp for the very first time ever, and write one review for your small business, and they never sign back on again? That user is not going to regarded as especially trustworthy, because that's EXACTLY the same type of behavior used by paid review services that pollute the Yelp pages with bogus reviews. Make up one throwaway account, right the one review you were paid for, and discard the account. The overall point I'm trying to make here is that the problem isn't with Bob's Yelp listing... it's with the "quality" (from Yelp's standpoint) of his reviewers. And there's not much Bob can do to control that, other than perhaps encourage people to be active on Yelp in more ways than just writing reviews for him (a tall order, to be sure). Once Yelp gains more trust in their reviews, we might see those hidden reviews popping back up on his main review page. Again, not an easy solution for the small business owner, but that's the way the game is played... at the moment.
post #10136 of 11733
Yelp has Lost credibility in my eyes, I'll stick with zagat.
post #10137 of 11733
You make good points.

In my case I was never motivated to write a review before. But at least there is a way to gain reputation.
post #10138 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Unbelievable. I feel ground under. 5/6 of my reviews need special attention just to be visible, and most people don't know that's even necessary. I'd been hearing about Yelp for years, yet the only way I found out about this was when most of my reviews that I knew had been sent in had disappeared. Most people won't know to look in the (filtered) section.

I guess I understand, but I still don't like it! It's not delivering a fair and unbiased report on those small biz's who are in my position!



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post #10139 of 11733
I had an ISF calibrator come out and work on my Elite 730 HDi. Looks better than when I bought it! However, he taped a grid on the screen to line up the convergence (I assume it was the convergence). Anyway, the glue residue from the tape is all over the screen. He suggested rubbing alcohol, I tried it in a small spot, and it barely worked. I've also read on this forum about being careful with chemicals on the screens. So, I'm looking for suggestions on how to get the residue off. Any ideas? If this question has been answered, point me in the right direction and I apologize for the redundancy. I did do a search and didn't find anything.

Thank you in advance!
post #10140 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Try lighter fluid, it's the best goo dissolver I've seen. There's also Goo Gone.

How to get off the residue from THOSE products is another story! On an older Sony with black topping on the ridges of the lenticular years ago, I tried one of these 3 things and of course it took that blacking off, creating a garish white spot. I don't think the Pioneers have that tho, I have not seen it used in over 10 years.

For the fingerprints on my 73" after its arrival and unpacking, I used diluted dishwashing detergent with a water rinse, and when that left its own residue I used powder, like corn starch or baking soda, and buffed with a clean dry terry cloth towel. That was the final ticket, it absorbed all that greasiness and water residue and made it all completely disappear.

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