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post #10471 of 11764
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Originally Posted by 2 Bunny View Post

Gotcha, I see now. You had me confused before, 'cuz I was gonna say that when you feed the wide models 1080i, you don't really need to use the aspect ratio controls (I actually posted a guide earlier in the thread that helps confused Mitsubishi users understand the various aspect ratio controls when displaying 4:3 content on a 16:9 set, as Mitsubishi's names for those settings could not possibly make less sense .

- 2 Bunny

However, sometimes channels that play mostly HD sometimes have an hour long show - or maybe even 2 or 3 hours back to back - in SD, otherwise known in aspect ratio circles as 4x3. In those cases yes you'll be getting 1080i, but still with black side bars.

On my Dish 622 DVR, I am often changing the remote's Format AR control down at the lower left corner to expand/zoom because of this just to keep the screen filled up, even tho everything that comes out of my DVR is set to come out as 1080i.

b
post #10472 of 11764
Thx Mr. Bob for all the years of support. I remember your help 7 years go when I bought my first HDTV : Hitachi 51F500 series. I am jumping on the 3d bandwagon. It is really sad that I had to pay to dispose of my 325lbs mammoth. ISF calibrated 3 years go, it can still display incredible picture quality in 1080i glory. The reality is that plasma offers a much higher depth/details and my RPCRT cannot compete anymore.
post #10473 of 11764
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Mine can. I'll put mine up against any same-sized plasma out there, and it will stand tall. My screenshots on page 260 of this thread show that.

Turn me loose on yours and you may be surprised.

Sorry to lose you!



b
post #10474 of 11764
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Mine can. I'll put mine up against any same-sized plasma out there, and it will stand tall. My screenshots on page 260 of this thread show that.

Turn me loose on yours and you may be surprised.

Sorry to lose you!



b

I bet you would. I enjoyed mine thoroughly. You know. I am in midlife crisis so the young and slimmer looks more appealing now.
post #10475 of 11764
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Can't fight that! Enjoy -

b
post #10476 of 11764
First let me say I had Bob resolder my PRO-610 PS board a year ago and it has been going strong an trouble free since. And the instruction over the phone to replace the board, do the tests and complete the optics cleaning were well worth the effort and price.

I since purchased the Oppo BDP-93 and and HDFury 3 and I have been so satisfied I guess I neglected coming back to the forum. So this posting of thanks is probably 100 pages or so overdue in the thread. Thanks Bob.

bobk
post #10477 of 11764
I noticed recently that barrelbelly in Stow MA was wishing Bob could make a trip to MA to work on his display. I have also been hoping Bob could get to MA and I live about 40 min. up 495 north from Stow on the north shore. Anyone else in MA looking for a live, in-person MR. Bob to correct their overscan? Maybe we can make something happen.

When I got my HDfury3 I tried to run HDMI from the BDP-93 to my Denon AVR 3806 and then out to the Fury3 and into my PRO-610. I could not get it to work. The Denon manual and setups are semi-difficult to decipher so I just went from the Oppo to HDFURY to input two on the 610 (digital audio out to the Denon) and everything worked fine (thank goodness for Remote control macros!). I had no need for any more HDMI so I was happy.

Last month the Denon went belly-up. Took it in to get repaired and they told me the part needed was no longer available so it's junk now. So I'm looking for a new AVR and I'm interested in the Elite AVR-SC 55. I was reading that this unit tweaks the video and optimizes for LCD flat screen, Plasma or Front projection. But not RPT. So I'm wondering if I'll have any issues outputting HDMI through the HDFURY 3 and going into the component input of the 610. Also, since this AVR is 3D capable I would probably want to upgrade to the HDFURY4 and watch 3D on my awesome pro-610.

But before I shell out the money I'm looking for some input if this is all doable with that setup. Thanks!

bk
post #10478 of 11764
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Also, since this AVR is 3D capable I would probably want to upgrade to the HDFURY4 and watch 3D on my awesome pro-610.

Nope, that's not going to happen. No matter what you add as far as AVR's, DVD players, or even a HDFury, you won't be watching in 3D on your 610.
post #10479 of 11764
Not even with the HDFURY 4, the active emitter and the glasses made for it? I thought that was the whole point behind HDFURY 4.
post #10480 of 11764
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Originally Posted by bk674 View Post

Not even with the HDFURY 4, the active emitter and the glasses made for it? I thought that was the whole point behind HDFURY 4.

No, not if you read the output specs for HDFury4. Everything for 3D output is either in 720p or 1080p, neither of which your 610 can accept for a input. Your 610 can only accept 480i/p and 1080i on it's component input.

http://www.hdfury.com/products/hdfury4-specs/

"3Dfury Input/Output mode:

2D VIDEO MODE COMPATIBILITY:
NTSC 480i/p, PAL 576i/p, HDTV 720p/1080i/1080p
2D OUTPUT:
2D movies: 1080p24, 1080p48, 1080p72 (3Dfury can double and triple frame from 24hz material)
720p60, 720p120 (double frame from 720p60)
Passthrough any resolution
3D MODES INPUT COMPATIBILITY:
Full 3D HD 1080 (per HDMI) (Blu-ray): 1920 x 2205 24Hz
Full 3D HD 720 (per HDMI) (Blu-ray): 1280 x 1470 60Hz
Top/Bottom 1080p 24Hz: 1920 x 1080
Top/Bottom 1080p 25Hz: 1920 x 1080
Top/Bottom 1080p 30Hz: 1920 x 1080
Top/Bottom 1080p 50Hz: 1920 x 1080
Top/Bottom 1080p 60Hz: 1920 x 1080
Top/Bottom 1080i 50Hz: 1920 x 1080
Top/Bottom 1080i 60Hz: 1920 x 1080
Top/Bottom 720p 30Hz: 1280 x 720
Top/Bottom 720p 50Hz: 1280 x 720
Top/Bottom 720p 60Hz: 1280 x 720
Side-by-Side 1080p 24Hz: 1920 x 1080
Side-by-Side 1080p 30Hz: 1920 x 1080
Side-by-Side 1080p 50Hz: 1920 x 1080
Side-by-Side 1080p 60Hz: 1920 x 1080
Side-by-Side 1080i 50Hz: 1920 x 1080
Side-by-Side 1080i 60Hz: 1920 x 1080
Side-by-Side 720p 50Hz: 1280 x 720
Side-by-Side 720p 60Hz: 1280 x 720
Frame packed 720p 30Hz: 1280 x 720
Frame packed 720p 50Hz: 1280 x 720
Frame packed 720p 60Hz: 1280 x 720
Frame packed 1080p 24Hz: 1920 x 1080
Frame packed 1080p 25Hz: 1920 x 1080
Frame packed 1080p 30Hz: 1920 x 1080
3D OUTPUT:
720p60, 720p72, 720p96, 720p120, 720p144 Frame Sequential
720p and/or 1080p for 60hz display
1080p60, 1080p72"
post #10481 of 11764
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post


However, sometimes channels that play mostly HD sometimes have an hour long show - or maybe even 2 or 3 hours back to back - in SD, otherwise known in aspect ratio circles as 4x3. In those cases yes you'll be getting 1080i, but still with black side bars.

On my Dish 622 DVR, I am often changing the remote's Format AR control down at the lower left corner to expand/zoom because of this just to keep the screen filled up, even tho everything that comes out of my DVR is set to come out as 1080i.

b

Right. I mean, our computer outputs to 1080i to the Mitt, but I use the stretch modes in Media Center (which it doesn't do a half bad job of) so that the picture is still 48" diagonally because our set is so small.

- 2B
post #10482 of 11764
[quote=Johnla;21722222]No, not if you read the output specs for HDFury4. Everything for 3D output is either in 720p or 1080p, neither of which your 610 can accept for a input. Your 610 can only accept 480i/p and 1080i on it's component input.]

No, I didn't get that deep into it, so thanks for pointing it out. 3D is not my biggest concern, though. The new AVRs that I'm looking at come 3D ready, and I have sources so I figured what the heck. But I'm not going to run out and buy a new display for 3D.

My defunct Denon 3806 HDMI didn't work with my Oppo BDP 93 HDMI and the Fury 3. I suspect that's because the 3806 HDMI was an old rev and incompatible - or maybe I just didn't configure the AVR correctly. Anyway I want to try to verify the SC 55 will work with the Fury 3 and my 610 before I go shelling out $1600. That the literature says the video optimizes the output for LCD, Plasma, or front projector makes me wonder if there is a potential problem. Hopefully there is a pure video setting or something unadulterated that will suffice. I've downloaded the SC 55/57 manual but I haven't gotten that far into it yet to dig that out.

bk
post #10483 of 11764
I donot have the SC55 but i do own the Pioneer Elite VSX-30 and it works great with my HDfury 3 i have it hooked up to my Pioneer Elite Pro 710 RPTV
post #10484 of 11764
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

You'll need to wait until the thread starter, Mr. Bob responds. He probably has been busy with CES.

Hello-

Well I have this old beast Phiilips looking decent enough to watch, however, there are pronounced green "outlines" or "halos" that appear next to anything white. other than that not bad at all. I set the focus electronically and physically via the knobs on the guns. Also seems that the whites are brighter than they should be.

The question that I have are these symptoms that can be corrected via opening the back up and adjusting things, or is it related to IC chips going south and I should not expect to get things better without replacing chips.

I really dont want to sink much into a set that is 22 years old....

Thanks any insight appreciated
post #10485 of 11764
Going through the manual (pg 58 "setting the video options" v. adj) it looks like there is also a PRO setting (professional monitor: perhaps the 610 qualifies) or MEMORY for custom setup. So apparently all will be okay.
post #10486 of 11764
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HDCP makes sure that anything that looks like a processor is suspect, and usually gets blocked, in its constant quest to not allow copying/duplication of HD video material. Many perfectly good AVRs that have HDMI switching LOOK like processors to the electronic HDCP watchdogs built-in to your AVR, and thus get blocked. No video. Not your fault. You didn't do anything wrong. Talk with the HDCP people.


And yes I am definitely excited about coming over to your side of the country to do a few calibrations for youse guys!

b
post #10487 of 11764
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Originally Posted by Kurt Franz View Post

Hello-

Well I have this old beast Phiilips looking decent enough to watch, however, there are pronounced green "outlines" or "halos" that appear next to anything white. other than that not bad at all. Also seems that the whites are brighter than they should be.

The question that I have are these symptoms that can be corrected via opening the back up and adjusting things, or is it related to IC chips going south and I should not expect to get things better without replacing chips.

I really dont want to sink much into a set that is 22 years old....

Thanks any insight appreciated

If such things appear at one side or another, it's convergence error. If it surrounds the object it's blooming, caused by bad focusing. Either electronic or mechanical.

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I set the focus electronically and physically via the knobs on the guns.

That's not the only focusing. It is electronic for the CRT screens, it is mechanical for the lenses that project that image to your view screen. For the mechanical, I recommend the Cantilever Technique, the process I came up with for focusing on screens way back before HD came along. There's a video by me on how to do that on YouTube, see my channel: mrbobbigscreen at www.youtube.com.

The contrast level - or master light level of your images - affects the electronic focusing. Too much causes blooming. If your light level is not set to roughly halfway up then it's too high. 100% contrast is definitely too high, always.

My 73" Mit arrived in balls to the wall, full tilt boogie Torch Mode, and that made it horribly out of focus. I took care of that immediately! Took down the Contrast level to below half - it's that way on the Mits's - and the pic sharpened up instantly.

Things like contrast should always be kept roughly in the middle of their linear operating range.

b
post #10488 of 11764
Hi Bob,
I just received my board back, installed it and nearly fell over when it came back to life. WOW! Let me start by saying, my set has been inop for more than 4 years. However, I couldn't bring myself to throw it away for three simple reasons. First, when it did work, it had a gorgeous picture. Second, it is a beautiful piece of furniture. Third, and most importantly, it cost me a buttload of money when I bought it. I might add that due to unavailability, I had never seen HD on my set. Well, I made the right decision in reading your blog and sending the board to you for repair. The set works like the day I brought it home, and for the first time I've experienced HD on it. You fall into the "highly recommend" category in my book. Thanks again!
Jerry
post #10489 of 11764
Mr. Bob, are you going to be doing any more YouTube videos soon? ☺

- 2 Bunny
post #10490 of 11764
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Yes, but I would welcome feedback on what videos you owners would like to see, out there. I have a couple in mind that I am working on, but again, what would you like to see?

b
post #10491 of 11764
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Originally Posted by Iskypilot View Post

Hi Bob,
I just received my board back, installed it and nearly fell over when it came back to life. WOW! Let me start by saying, my set has been inop for more than 4 years. However, I couldn't bring myself to throw it away for three simple reasons. First, when it did work, it had a gorgeous picture. Second, it is a beautiful piece of furniture. Third, and most importantly, it cost me a buttload of money when I bought it. I might add that due to unavailability, I had never seen HD on my set. Well, I made the right decision in reading your blog and sending the board to you for repair. The set works like the day I brought it home, and for the first time I've experienced HD on it. You fall into the "highly recommend" category in my book. Thanks again!
Jerry

Thank you! Only too glad to help.

Now if your set's optics have not been cleaned in 8 years - 12 years old minus 4 years dormant - they need cleaning ferociously by now, you have no idea what you're missing out on. How much more crystal clear your viewing will be afterwards, compared to the relatively bleary picture you're now watching. Which would be even worse had you been watching your set all these 12 years! Contact me and we'll get you that crystal clear light path again, so you can have crystal clear viewing again.


I repeat to all CRT RPTV owners regardless of brand or model that this op should not be done lightly. Those soft plastic optical grade surfaces will scratch at the drop of a hat, and such damage is immediate and permanent. Please contact me for guidance in how to do it correctly, and safely at all times. It takes about an hour of phone guidance with you doing the actual work on your end wherever you live in the world, and me riding Millennium Falcon shotgun on my end. After that you can do it completely on your own whenever needed, as my instructions are very comprehensive and time-tested - I have been doing this op and instructing on it as well since long before HD ever got here - and you can record the call if you like, for future reference.

b
post #10492 of 11764
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Originally Posted by Iskypilot View Post

Hi Bob,
I just received my board back, installed it and nearly fell over when it came back to life. WOW! Let me start by saying, my set has been inop for more than 4 years. However, I couldn't bring myself to throw it away for three simple reasons. First, when it did work, it had a gorgeous picture. Second, it is a beautiful piece of furniture. Third, and most importantly, it cost me a buttload of money when I bought it. I might add that due to unavailability, I had never seen HD on my set. Well, I made the right decision in reading your blog and sending the board to you for repair. The set works like the day I brought it home, and for the first time I've experienced HD on it. You fall into the "highly recommend" category in my book. Thanks again!
Jerry

Yep...Mr. B is the man. Helped many, many people on here and gave out FREE info and advice also along the way.........which is why I jumped all over a couple guys here a while back trying to get on him for advertising his services in this thread.

If all he did was beg for business so to speak all the time thats a problem but this guy is one of the good ones that are few and far between these days by offering free advice and small tips.

In the end if I was to get my set dialed in or a board repaired it would definitely be by him because of his willingness to give a little free advice and small tips and because I know who I am dealing with.

Glad to hear your set is looking so good.
post #10493 of 11764
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Thank you, Jetmeck. I AM trying, out here!





Owners:

Is yours a Pioneer PRO 510/610/710 or PRO 520/620/720? If so has it had any intermittent problems that come and go? If so and it's one of the x10s, your power supply board needs nearly complete resoldering, and this needs to be done early on if you want to avoid damage that will ensue if you don't get that handled promptly. It is NOT best left in the hands of most local repair servicers, who only repair what's bad now. They typically do not future-proof that board, which is my specialty.

If it's one of the x20 series, chances are it's the same board if it has the same symptoms. There's a test to know for sure: If it's vertically mounted in there to the bulkhead of the set, it IS the same board. If mounted on the floor, it's not.

If it is, please get that board to me for resoldering and restoring permanently stable operations to your set again. Any boards I resolder carry my lifetime warranty on that problem not coming back again, as long as it was caused by cold solder joints on that board, which is how it came out of the factory and thus applies to every one of those sets ever produced. If you have me do it you'll never again have to worry about it, for the life of your set. I have been doing this resoldering op for over 7 years now, and this applies to all boards I have ever done, whether that guaranty was in place at the time I did your board or not.

And these sets are only midway thru their 20 year service life. Keeping it alive rather than buying new is the right thing to do, and not just to keep them out of the world's landfills. They were designed for the ultimate in HD viewing and are true classics, right up there with MacIntosh tube-amp Audio. Worthy of being kept alive for years and years to come. Fully cleaned and supertweaked, I will place them right up there with the new stuff you can buy today, which doesn't last nearly as long! And not only will they stand tall, they will soundly trounce most of the easily affordable stuff out there, by a noticeable margin.

Help me save more of these incredible sets. I have only saved several tons of sets so far in the last 7 years since I started fixing them, and am eager for more!

Once they are stable again, please allow me to bring them back to life for you, to a grade I guaranty you have never seen before if they have never been cleaned or calibrated. If you want to see what your sets SHOULD be looking like, please see page 45 of the Pioneer Elite PRO 510 Problem thread for actual screenshots of your vintage of set in action!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...402397&page=45



Mr Bob
post #10494 of 11764
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PS -

Yes, there's just a bit of self-promotion in there, but just a little bit. Nothing compared to what you get out of it. Your gain is levels of magnitude greater than mine, if you stay with me on this. Sure I make out a bit, but you make out better. Every time. You get your multi-thousand dollar set back, and don't have to buy new, knowing that the new stuff is not lasting NEARLY as long as what you have in your hands right now! And in a condition most of you have never seen before. I get to stay in biz - THIS biz, not being a manager at a McDonald's or a Best Buy. Seems like a fair trade to me!

Get me your Pioneer PS boards! Get your set back! Then have me escalate the game of you and get your family's HD viewing to a grade of fidelity you can only dream of if you have not experienced it yet.






Mr Bob
post #10495 of 11764

Please refer to http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/ele/3146962748.html

 

I have a Mitsubishi WS-65813 that I would like to sell. 

 

Asking $200 but am very willing to accept a best (i.e. first) offer.

The original manual and OEM remote control are included as well as screen protector.

Metro Atlanta area.

Questions???

 

Reference photo:

mitsubishi-diamond WS 65813.jpg


Edited by Allen1356 - 7/18/12 at 6:50am
post #10496 of 11764
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Remember potential buyers, the WS-65813 is the model with the 9" guns!

b
post #10497 of 11764
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Remember potential buyers, the WS-65813 is the model with the 9" guns!

b

There is a visible difference between the 7 inch and 9 inch cathodes, with the latter looking like a brighter plasma...and very detailed.
post #10498 of 11764
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And when properly set up, with a depth the readily affordable plasmas can only dream of. You have to get to the $5-6000 plasma retail price levels to have a depth that's even similar to that of a well dialed-in CRT!

b
post #10499 of 11764
I am VERY happy with my Craig Rounds-calibrated 65813. It is just a great set. I hope someone can give it a good home (the one for sale in Atlanta, that is).
post #10500 of 11764
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Originally Posted by pnj314159 View Post

I am VERY happy with my Craig Rounds-calibrated 65813. It is just a great set. I hope someone can give it a good home (the one for sale in Atlanta, that is).

I am glad you are happy with your 813. I need to be...I sold it to you

Glad to hear she is doing well.
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