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post #11131 of 11733
Mmmmm... Colleen is back!

I haven't taken screen shots in the longest time. I'll try to take some shots soon.
Also, I've been meaning to take some measurements and re align everything... this might be a good reason to do it. Will get LCG out to play smile.gifbiggrin.gif:)
post #11132 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Maybe if you put up your new shots at Curt Palme's CRT site, specifying that yours is a CRT RPTV even tho it's not a ceiling projector, maybe you can slip in some of the more racy ones that you can't get away with here!

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post #11133 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Maybe if you put up your new shots at Curt Palme's CRT site, specifying that yours is a CRT RPTV even tho it's not a ceiling projector, maybe you can slip in some of the more racy ones that you can't get away with here!
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b

Hmmm.....

Now I see what this thread is all about.....rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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post #11134 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

... the more racy ones that you can't get away with here!

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b

Funny that you mention it Bob, a while back I did... and Photobucket was quick to delete them mad.gif
Some of them where not even that bad or good (depending on your point of view biggrin.gif) on how much they showed and got deleted anyways.
post #11135 of 11733
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Originally Posted by superleo View Post

Funny that you mention it Bob, a while back I did... and Photobucket was quick to delete them mad.gif
Some of them where not even that bad or good (depending on your point of view biggrin.gif) on how much they showed and got deleted anyways.

Try www.imageshack.us They have never censored any of mine -

b
post #11136 of 11733
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

Hmmm.....
Now I see what this thread is all about.....rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by superleo View Post

Funny that you mention it Bob, a while back I did... and Photobucket was quick to delete them mad.gif
Some of them where not even that bad or good (depending on your point of view biggrin.gif) on how much they showed and got deleted anyways.

TC4 -

You're just now catching on???

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What do you thing they invented HD for, anyway? National Geographic?

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post #11137 of 11733
I know we're probably all guys here, but personally, I don't care to see images like that. It's not in accordance with my beliefs and is disrespectful to my wife. Honestly, this latest discussion, along with Bob's first listed hobby on his profile is souring my desire to have Bob come to the house, especially with my wife present. I may stick to over the phone services and have my local guy do the calibration.

Dave
post #11138 of 11733
My comment was couched in humor. (See emoticons.)

The pictures shown on this website are tame by 19th century standards. cool.gif
post #11139 of 11733
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by thezaks View Post

I know we're probably all guys here, but personally, I don't care to see images like that. It's not in accordance with my beliefs and is disrespectful to my wife. Honestly, this latest discussion, along with Bob's first listed hobby on his profile is souring my desire to have Bob come to the house, especially with my wife present. I may stick to over the phone services and have my local guy do the calibration.
Dave


My apologies Dave, I never thought my comments here would generate such a response.

I took a look at all the pix that have been up here in the last few days, and I only saw one I would even consider close to off color, and it was not showing anything. The cosmetics commercial shots were done by Maybelline's photographers, and the James Bond shots were straight from the movie itself. The reference to racier shots is strictly for other sites, not this one, and usually healthy males keep such sides of their personalities to themselves. Guess it was a mistake for me to even bring it up here on this thread, but I am a healthy red blooded American boy, and that's not in my power to change, only to deal with.

I have been an honored guest in countless homes over the years on these tours, and have never had anyone complain that I was not the perfect guest. Leo has a wife and a couple of daughters, and I stayed for several days at his place in San Antonio on my last TX tour. I am welcome there again at any time. Being offensive to women, (your wife in particular if you're really worried about that), is simply not something I do nor have any kind of reputation for doing. If I were a guest in your home I would treat each and every individual there with complete respect, no exceptions. There are no special rules for women in the way I run my life, every individual I know gets the utmost respect from me.

Again, sorry to have heard that statement from you and hope I have explained myself adequately. As you know I have been wanting to come over and max out your video viewing experience for years, have been trying to get the tour together recently again and get over there for you, and have made copious offers to do so at my end and on this thread. I am devastated that you would even consider having a local do it instead just because there are sometimes "racier" things people do on their own time, outside of their workaday world. I grew up Catholic and was therefore under the fiercest sexual repression I have ever personally come up against for the first 14 years of my life, and after I read Stranger in a Strange Land I found I had had enough of that and I changed my ways and feel much healthier now. If you out there reading this are Catholic I hope this statement I just made is not offensive to you as well, it's simply what's true for me. I have been there and all comments made by me about it are from personal experience.

Usually all that's a discussion I keep completely to myself. Some of that slipped out here, and I hope I have not offended others as well.

b

PS - I just viewed my Profile and yes, it leads off with something that could be taken the wrong way. But taken the right way it is a very healthy thing to say and do and involves a very time-honored art form, one that has been respected and honored for countless centuries by exquisite artists and sculptors, Michaelangelo among them as far as capturing the body's form in stone. He used the same skills in carving his David as he did in carving the Virgin Mary in The Pieta.

And I believe that if you are a healthy red blooded American boy, you will feel the same whether you cop to it or not. It's not a choice, it's the way healthy males are hard-wired. You can't change it, it's part of our survival mechanism as a species and has kept us going as a species for thousands of years. The only choice you have is whether to look upon it and enjoy what you see, or look away. I choose not to look away anymore, made that choice at 14. Healthy and full of natural energy in all forms - animal or human, gay or straight, Caucasian or Black or Red, human or extraterrestrial - is what I love most, and that's not limited to women or men. It's its own reward.
Edited by Mr Bob - 8/3/12 at 6:19pm
post #11140 of 11733
Is anyone interested in a 65611 in LA/OC area? I know this is probably the wrong place to post this, but I thought it would get the most exposure for the folks interested in it.
Original owner, absolutely no burn in, Capacitaor issue was professionally fixed. I want it to go to a good home where it will get appreciated (and possibly calibrated). One Benjamin is all i'm asking for it.
post #11141 of 11733
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

My comment was couched in humor. (See emoticons.)
The pictures shown on this website are tame by 19th century standards. cool.gif

Agreed. I was not referencing pictures in this thread.

Thanks, Dave
post #11142 of 11733

If Colleen doesn't appeal to you, how about Leeloo:

 

 

1000

 

Or you can go jump off a ledge:

 

 

1000

 

Dark room, tripod, no flash, auto exposure and focus (no choice, there), Kodak C613.

And, of course, Leo's Reference Demo Disc.

Michael


Edited by LastButNotLeast - 8/3/12 at 6:14pm
post #11143 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thezaks View Post

Agreed. I was not referencing pictures in this thread.
Thanks, Dave

And I was not referring to the total gamut of what could be called "racy" out there either. Only to some very tame parts of that entire gamut, much of which I would not want to - nor do I - expose myself to either.

No, very tame really, like the very tasteful and artful scenes in Lights/Camera/Girls, where the pix of Coleen and some other women on this thread came from. A bit racy and revealing compared to Newsweek and the Wall St. Journal, but compared to what's actually out there to expose yourself to if you really wish to on the net, REALLY tame by comparison!

b
post #11144 of 11733
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

If Colleen doesn't appeal to you, how about Leeloo:




Or you can go jump off a ledge:




Dark room, tripod, no flash, auto exposure and focus (no choice, there), Kodak C613.
And, of course, Leo's Reference Demo Disc.
Michael

Nice pictures Michael.

Dave
post #11145 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

My apologies Dave, I never thought my comments here would generate such a response.
I took a look at all the pix that have been up here in the last few days, and I only saw one I would even consider close to off color, and it was not showing anything. The cosmetics commercial shots were done by Maybelline's photographers, and the James Bond shots were straight from the movie itself. The reference to racier shots is strictly for other sites, not this one, and usually healthy males keep such sides of their personalities to themselves. Guess it was a mistake for me to even bring it up here on this thread, but I am a healthy red blooded American boy, and that's not in my power to change, only to deal with.
I have been an honored guest in countless homes over the years on these tours, and have never had anyone complain that I was not the perfect guest. Leo has a wife and a couple of daughters, and I stayed for several days at his place in San Antonio on my last TX tour. I am welcome there again at any time. Being offensive to women, (your wife in particular if you're really worried about that), is simply not something I do nor have any kind of reputation for doing. If I were a guest in your home I would treat each and every individual there with complete respect, no exceptions. There are no special rules for women in the way I run my life, every individual I know gets the utmost respect from me.
Again, sorry to have heard that statement from you and hope I have explained myself adequately. As you know I have been wanting to come over and max out your video viewing experience for years, have been trying to get the tour together recently again and get over there for you, and have made copious offers to do so at my end and on this thread. I am devastated that you would even consider having a local do it instead just because there are sometimes "racier" things people do on their own time, outside of their workaday world. I grew up Catholic and was therefore under the fiercest sexual repression I have ever personally come up against for the first 14 years of my life, and after I read Stranger in a Strange Land I found I had had enough of that and I changed my ways and feel much healthier now. If you out there reading this are Catholic I hope this statement I just made is not offensive to you as well, it's simply what's true for me. I have been there and all comments made by me about it are from personal experience.
Usually all that's a discussion I keep completely to myself. Some of that slipped out here, and I hope I have not offended others as well.
b
PS - I just viewed my Profile and yes, it leads off with something that could be taken the wrong way. But taken the right way it is a very healthy thing to say and do and involves a very time-honored art form, one that has been respected and honored for countless centuries by exquisite artists and sculptors, Michaelangelo among them as far as capturing the body's form in stone. He used the same skills in carving his David as he did in carving the Virgin Mary in The Pieta.
And I believe that if you are a healthy red blooded American boy, you will feel the same whether you cop to it or not. It's not a choice, it's the way healthy males are hard-wired. You can't change it, it's part of our survival mechanism as a species and has kept us going as a species for thousands of years. The only choice you have is whether to look upon it and enjoy what you see, or look away. I choose not to look away anymore, made that choice at 14. Healthy and full of natural energy in all forms - animal or human, gay or straight, Caucasian or Black or Red, human or extraterrestrial - is what I love most, and that's not limited to women or men. It's its own reward.

Thanks Bob for taking the time to explain. Everyone is different, and you've shared your view, which is fine. I was just a little uncomfortable at the moment with the direction the thread was going, and after reading your Hobby, I wasn't sure what to think. Back to CRT TV's!

Dave
post #11146 of 11733
Thread Starter 
You got it

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post #11147 of 11733
Quote:
Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

If Colleen doesn't appeal to you, how about Leeloo:


...

Or you can go jump off a ledge:

...

Dark room, tripod, no flash, auto exposure and focus (no choice, there), Kodak C613.
And, of course, Leo's Reference Demo Disc.
Michael

Funny ... very funny!

Good shooting Michael.
post #11148 of 11733
Bob you are welcome any time. cool.gif
post #11149 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Leo. You are the consummate host and I had a great time while there. Hopefully another tour of TX will come soon, so we can get together again!

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b
post #11150 of 11733
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Originally Posted by superleo View Post

Funny ... very funny!
Good shooting Michael.
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Originally Posted by thezaks View Post

Nice pictures Michael.
Dave

Yes Michael, excellent results esp. with those 2 critical things being automated!

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b
Edited by Mr Bob - 8/5/12 at 10:09am
post #11151 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post


Yes Michael, excellent results esp. with those 2 critical things being automated!
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b

Thanks, guys. Hard to believe my biggest problem all along was the camera! Not worth replacing just for screenshots, though.

Okay, everybody: give it a try with what you've got and let's see some results here!

Michael

post #11152 of 11733
Greetings,
As an introduction I must confess I am a CRT junkie. That is most likely is because I spent 28 yrs of my adult life working behind the camera in the motion picture industry, working with cinematographers, trying to achieve those images that we all love too reproduce on our big screens. As much as I also love new technology, there is nothing that reproduces a film like look as dose CRT. To me a little extra work getting it right is well worth it.
In 2004 I bought a Mit ws-65613 and was happy w/ that set until the coolant leaked and did what it did. At that point I went for a front projector, a marquee 9500lc. After going through setting this up we decided that we liked the RPTV better, our family room was big enough but just not dark enough and it’s our TV not just a movie projector. So I found a Mit WS-73713 on craigslist and that is now our TV.

There is a QUESTION in all this, thought I’d through that in before you all get board and move on. It is this, if anyone cares to chime in, looking at craigslist periodically there are quite a few 73” Mit’s popping up and looking at the SM’s of the various models it seems there is a difference in the ability to make adjustments especially in the area of geometry. As these sets age, if taken care of, replacing worn-out guns seems to be the only side affect and VDC has that covered. So to my question, out of the 73” Mits is there a model with a better service menu than my WS-73713, my green gun is about spent and I need to replace it, I have a set of guns from another 73” that I can send in to be rebuilt. I was thinking of keeping an eye out for another unit if there was a better model and throwing the new guns in it. Looking at the manuals the ws-73909 has more adjustments say in the jungle than my 713, and after playing with the marquee I kinda miss not being able to get into the corners. Look forward to any comments!biggrin.gif

Brian
post #11153 of 11733
Hi Bob,

Glad to see you are feeling better. Bob did a fabulous job in resurecting our older (2000) 72" MIT CRT a few months ago and we could not be happier.
post #11154 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Was a very fun job. Yours was the last year of the delicious color isolation and color decoding registers in the service menu before Mit took them out permanently the following year, and I got to see the glass mirror in action replacing the mylar on your 73" (no, not 72", Mit never made a CRT 72").

Was great to have another fabulous, well cared for CRT set past the 10 year old mark get the full restoration and upgrade treatments and come out of it shining and ready for more years and years of faithful service, like all the CRT RPTVs are capable of. I LOVE doing that!

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b
post #11155 of 11733
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jbsaunders View Post

Greetings,
As an introduction I must confess I am a CRT junkie. That is most likely is because I spent 28 yrs of my adult life working behind the camera in the motion picture industry, working with cinematographers, trying to achieve those images that we all love too reproduce on our big screens. As much as I also love new technology, there is nothing that reproduces a film like look as dose CRT. To me a little extra work getting it right is well worth it.
In 2004 I bought a Mit ws-65613 and was happy w/ that set until the coolant leaked and did what it did. At that point I went for a front projector, a marquee 9500lc. After going through setting this up we decided that we liked the RPTV better, our family room was big enough but just not dark enough and it’s our TV not just a movie projector. So I found a Mit WS-73713 on craigslist and that is now our TV.
There is a QUESTION in all this, thought I’d through that in before you all get board and move on. It is this, if anyone cares to chime in, looking at craigslist periodically there are quite a few 73” Mit’s popping up and looking at the SM’s of the various models it seems there is a difference in the ability to make adjustments especially in the area of geometry. As these sets age, if taken care of, replacing worn-out guns seems to be the only side affect and VDC has that covered. So to my question, out of the 73” Mits is there a model with a better service menu than my WS-73713, my green gun is about spent and I need to replace it, I have a set of guns from another 73” that I can send in to be rebuilt. I was thinking of keeping an eye out for another unit if there was a better model and throwing the new guns in it. Looking at the manuals the ws-73909 has more adjustments say in the jungle than my 713, and after playing with the marquee I kinda miss not being able to get into the corners. Look forward to any comments!biggrin.gif
Brian


I get into the corners just fine. I am sure you can find screenshots in this thread of my 73" where you'll see that. Mit has a very specialized way of getting the corners right, involving an invisible row and column and a few other things you need to know to get it right. I can teach you those things over the phone if necessary, and am always willing to be flown in for the full Monty, wherever you are.

Your set is just as good as any others of the 7" gun variety. Mit kept improving their sets and their service menus over the years, with one of the only exceptions being the loss of those great color isolation and decoder registers after the 73905 series. That was a downgrade, but one that unfortunately stayed in permanently. And I would not own their initial entry series, the 73903 series, tho it can still be improved greatly with cleaning, calibration and mirror replacement if you already own one.

As such, the 73713 is a fine set and I don't see any need to buy another one. And if you buy one that's so new it has HDMI, that's a definite downgrade from their DVI-equipped series of the year before, if you need to use either of those digital-only input formats. That's another exception. Component has always stayed the same and has always been the best way to get your images to your screen if you don't have an expensive scaler to use with their rare RGB-equipped sets. I have the last model they ever produced and can tell you that for sure: avoid HDMI on Mits HDreadys. They make your picture mulchy and indistinct.

Also be sure those guns you have ready to go are going to sub into the set you want them going into. You can only blindly trust the same model and model year, on that sort of thing, without doing the proper research.

If you do want your set regunned I am the best one to do it, as I can take that opportunity to really trick out your set and among other things be done with the overscan during setup, out of the starting gate. Plus optimize the amount of CRT screen face used on each gun, expanding it to the max for full CRT face utilization like I did with mine. Which delivers greater depth than the limited amount of CRT screen face the factory sets their new sets up with. Having calibrated more than my share of overhead ceiling projectors, I have done this from scratch on countless occasions. Down in San Luis Obispo there is a doctor who had me do that expansion on his newly purchase Marquee 9500, to great visual advantage for the picture.

And with the proper color decoding thrown in I can get rid of your set's red push as well, leaving you with delicious, true to life color rendition. Essential if you have actually worked in the industry like you have.

If your set has PerfectColor, its color decoding is alignable without any I2C intervention and without the color decoder registers it now does not have anymore. Takes a little longer to accomplish, but what else is new?

Hope to hear from you off board.


b
Edited by Mr Bob - 12/1/12 at 1:07pm
post #11156 of 11733
Well iv'e pretty well got the set tweaked just the way I like it on the grayscale side of things, I got rid of the horrible red push in the top of the scale and got the blue screen control tuned in. I've noticed in relatively high contrast shots though black hair can look slightly crushed. Am i correct in thinking tweaking the cutoff controls as a whole will help remedy it? I brought them up 6 notches or so (keeping track of everything with photos of course biggrin.gif )
and it seems to have helped but it probably effects the white cutoff to right?

I worked out sharpness as well, from focusing to setting to the accurate movie mode with subtle svm, it looks nearly as sharp as any plasma i've owned smile.gif

I'm also looking into to what i believe is called duvatyne? I hear it's a great way to minimize unwanted reflections inside the set. As this is a freebie is it worth investing in enough of this material to coat the inside of the set?

Thanks for all the help from everyone on this board, i won't be dumping my crt anytime soon smile.gif
post #11157 of 11733

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Originally Posted by Mik James View Post

I'm also looking into to what i believe is called duvatyne? I hear it's a great way to minimize unwanted reflections inside the set. As this is a freebie is it worth investing in enough of this material to coat the inside of the set?
 

I found it hard to get Duvetyne, so I just used black felt from a fabric store.

 

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/p1020536.jpg/

 

Am I the only one having a bitch of a time getting photos from ImageShack to show up?

post #11158 of 11733
Sounds like a plan, probably cheaper. What is duvetyne"s main use anyways???

EDIT: google is my friend biggrin.gif (well other than logging all my searches and information and using it to target ads at me tongue.gif )

It's main use is in fact to kill light bleed in cinema applications.
Did you notice any benefit from the felt?

For normal content my screen performs well but in really high contrast stealth games i get a crescent effect going on depending on where the light source is situated (lens flare?), i'm not sure if lining the cabinet will help with that or if it is more to do with the lenses and casings/just a limitation i'll have to live with.

Also how does the cleanliness of the deeper lenses effect static contrast, would it be likely to cause those crescents or more likely to just cause an overall drop in brightness and sharpness?
I never got around to doing a deep cleaning and i'm not sure i'm going to, i have visions of the coolant spilling out and causing quite a mess.

Thanks for the tip smile.gif
Edited by Mik James - 8/17/12 at 10:42am
post #11159 of 11733
Thread Starter 
No coolant will be spilled as long as you don't remove the wrong screws. The right screws are the ones directly holding the lens barrel to the main CRT array plate. 4 screws per barrel, surrounding the lens, out at its circumference at lens edge. Can't get it wrong with those directions unless you really aren't paying attention!

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The duvetyne op has merit and can help dampen out those internal reflections. But as I have said many times on this site, it doesn't even come close to the improvements a stem to stern full optics cleaning makes.

Can't remember your make and model, but if Pioneer, don't even try to make any more improvements until you have a crystal clear light path again. Even grayscale gets affected by dirty optics.

You can see the difference between the effects of dirty optics vs. the effects of internal reflections in that internal reflections always affect the opposing side of the pic from where your bright stuff is. Dirty optics simply glow haze around any bright object directly, no mirror image bouncing effect like you'll see in internal reflecttions.

There are 28 surfaces in your light path, from the 3 CRT faces to your view screen. 10 of those get ferociously dirty on a Pioneer, due to the ionization of the 30KV in there and its sweeping clean of the air by depositing airborne contaminants on the nearby smooth surfaces. Like lenses and mirror. It's inescapable. It causes your picture to look bleary rather than crisp and clear and transparent. Night and day difference. If you have a Pioneer and have not done the deeper optics cleaning yet, get signed up for one of my phone sessions and let's bring your set out of the bleariness and into the light.

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b
Edited by Mr Bob - 8/17/12 at 12:51pm
post #11160 of 11733
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik James View Post

Well iv'e pretty well got the set tweaked just the way I like it on the grayscale side of things, I got rid of the horrible red push in the top of the scale and got the blue screen control tuned in. I've noticed in relatively high contrast shots though black hair can look slightly crushed. Am i correct in thinking tweaking the cutoff controls as a whole will help remedy it? I brought them up 6 notches or so (keeping track of everything with photos of course biggrin.gif )
and it seems to have helped but it probably effects the white cutoff to right?
I worked out sharpness as well, from focusing to setting to the accurate movie mode with subtle svm, it looks nearly as sharp as any plasma i've owned smile.gif
I'm also looking into to what i believe is called duvatyne? I hear it's a great way to minimize unwanted reflections inside the set. As this is a freebie is it worth investing in enough of this material to coat the inside of the set?
Thanks for all the help from everyone on this board, i won't be dumping my crt anytime soon smile.gif

Red push is not a grayscale phenomenon, it is a color decoding issue. Getting the grayscale correct to eliminate too much red somewhere in your B/W/Gray tracking is definitely the best thing to do, but has nothing to do with red push. "Inappropriate Red predominance in grayscale" would be more like it.

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