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post #11251 of 12301
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Originally Posted by JulieMo View Post

That's the problem with trying to repair these things. Resolder the power board. Reinstall it. Nope! That didn't work. Replace the convergence ICs. Reinstall that. Nope! That didn't work. Maybe it's the video board or the deflection board. And before you know it you've spent a lot of money and it still doesn't work. Even if all that gets the set working, how long before something else goes out? On a set that's 10 or more years old, there could be another failure just waiting around the corner. I didn't want to take that gamble and even if I did what would I have if it did all work out? Technology that's 10 years old and getting older every day for probably about the same it would have cost to buy a new TV.

You run into the same decision tree with anything: tv, car, refrigerator; any major purchase eventually needs to be replaced with another major purchase. There are people who have classic cars and think they're wonderful. Not my cup of tea, but I do think my RPCRT is better than anything else that I've seen. And I've put in a bit of time and money over the years.

Be careful taking everything apart. And good luck in your search for a replacement.

Michael

post #11252 of 12301
Thread Starter 
Julie -

If you had read some of my writing on the thread that discusses this situation, you'd know I have a virtually fail-safe way of handling this, that has kept me on top of this situation for more than 7 years: I make sure the set works properly when turned on from dead cold, and only gets run for no more than 40 seconds, so it cannot possibly warm up again. And I warn people to not allow it up to normal operating temp again, even once, until fixed properly.

If it no longer turns on again properly from dead cold, I tell the owner that now a troubleshooting session has to be arranged with me on the phone, and scheduled. And paid for, of course. A nominal fee, nothing like what you've had to pay so far.

I have a very careful set of checks and balances that is scrupulously adhered to. If you want to give me a call I'll fill you in on all of it.

In your shoes I would rather buy one of these Elites again on the used market that only had intermittent problems so far and was turning on properly from dead cold - which can be very directly remedied and warranted for life - than to buy something new. These sets are classics with very little that ever goes wrong with them, and no it's not getting any worse with age, no new and exotic problems have cropped up over those 7 years and with the history I have seen with CRT tech, they are not going to. You got a bad one and did not have the experience and intel to be able to avoid the landmines. Would not wish that on anybody.

But a Google search these days brings owners to my info, and I have been continuing to save them over and over and over again, as I have for more than 7 years now. Again, contact me if you'd like the lowdown from square one on what that involves.

b
post #11253 of 12301
Bob, I've read a lot of your stuff. I've watched all of your videos. There's not a whole lot on the net about Elite RPTVs so anyone serious about getting answers has to find you. And it helped me make what I feel is the right decision. You may disagree so we'll have to agree to disagree, and that's OK. Regardless, by the time this new TV fails I hope to be on a sailboat somewhere in the tropics and walking white sand beaches. cool.gif

I'm happy for you that you've found a niche and are doing so well keeping the old RPTVs running. Considering the fact you can get these for a song and sometimes even free, why not start gathering all that's out there, repair and tune them and start a business selling these? If I had your knowledge and skill, that's what I'd do. And I'd have a brand new flat screen that I'd roll around the store for comparison. There are few business where the materials are free or almost free. It seems too good an opportunity to pass up. You could call your store "Lazarus" wink.gif

I wish you all the best,
Julie
post #11254 of 12301
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Originally Posted by JulieMo View Post

Bob, I've read a lot of your stuff. I've watched all of your videos. There's not a whole lot on the net about Elite RPTVs so anyone serious about getting answers has to find you. And it helped me make what I feel is the right decision. You may disagree so we'll have to agree to disagree, and that's OK. Regardless, by the time this new TV fails I hope to be on a sailboat somewhere in the tropics and walking white sand beaches. cool.gif
I'm happy for you that you've found a niche and are doing so well keeping the old RPTVs running. Considering the fact you can get these for a song and sometimes even free, why not start gathering all that's out there, repair and tune them and start a business selling these? If I had your knowledge and skill, that's what I'd do. And I'd have a brand new flat screen that I'd roll around the store for comparison. There are few business where the materials are free or almost free. It seems too good an opportunity to pass up. You could call your store "Lazarus" wink.gif
I wish you all the best,
Julie

What a great idea! You could hire a couple of young newly minted...out of tech school tinkerers to develop a crt mod board to add a 1080p HDMI 1.4 link to the circuit board and you'd have a killer upgrade. I'd sure have you mod my Hitachi with it. Yes, I'm still clinging on to it. Everytime I get ready to pop for a new DLP projector...seems like the old geezer flashes a dose of perfection at me. And I just can't part with it.
post #11255 of 12301
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

What a great idea! You could hire a couple of young newly minted...out of tech school tinkerers to develop a crt mod board to add a 1080p HDMI 1.4 link to the circuit board and you'd have a killer upgrade. I'd sure have you mod my Hitachi with it. Yes, I'm still clinging on to it. Everytime I get ready to pop for a new DLP projector...seems like the old geezer flashes a dose of perfection at me. And I just can't part with it.

Why not have both:P Keep your RPTV and get you a nice DLP projector smile.gif
post #11256 of 12301
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

Why not have both:P Keep your RPTV and get you a nice DLP projector smile.gif

I probably will do exactly as you suggest. Question? Can you project a DLP image onto the 65 inch screen of the Hitachi 65F59? If so, I will likely buy a Viewsonic pro 8200 or VIVitek FD 1080 over the holidays. And shoot the image right onto the Hitachi screen when viewing it. I just can't part with the Hitachi. Because I have that nagging feeling I will regret it for the rest of my days.
post #11257 of 12301
Bob. If you add 1080P HDMI 1.4 via a mod does that mean a modified CRT RPTV could run 1080P?

Confused......

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post #11258 of 12301
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

Bob. If you add 1080P HDMI 1.4 via a mod does that mean a modified CRT RPTV could run 1080P?
Confused......
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No a crt rptv will not accept a 1080p signal. I have done it by accident and before I could hit the power button the tv
shut itself off. DON'T DO THIS.............

At the source limit the signal to 1080i or via a HDFURY3 for example you can limit the signal to 1080i just before it goes into the tv.
post #11259 of 12301
sorry, i posted this in the f59a tweaks thread but am unsure which thread still gets good activity.

good day everybody! I am new to this forum and started an account because of the following story…

On the way home yesterday I saw an older “bigscreen” tv on the road that said “works fine free”. I had previously been searching for one of these to use as a old school gaming tv for the basement; you know Nintendo, ps, etc. I am a nut for hdtv and blu-ray movies which I use on the upstairs lcd tv and my ps3; so I was not very particular about picking up one of these old tv’s for the basement. Upon looking at the tv up close, I noticed it was hd capable and even had an hdmi port! I started thinking that this might have big potential! It’s a Hitachi 51f59a with a manf. date of 2006.

Loaded it up in my jeep and brought it into the garage, powers up fine. Turned on, the 3 colors are out of sync. I had never had a crtrptv and was unaware of what was going on. Read the manual and tried “magic focus”, this helped but the red was still off on one side of the screen, tried the manual convergence too with no luck. It also appears that the convergence changes after every power off (or it could just be my eyes).

Long and behold the plethora of internet information and had spend the last 2 days reading the incredibly long posts about this sort of stuff. I had a good indication of things needed to be done (dcam adjustment, a cleaning, etc) but what I am asking today is there a specific order of things I should try? From easiest to hardest, general to technical? I figured I could have bumped a gun out of sync on the drive home. I still have to put it in the basement so I will try the convergence stuff after that. I do plan on reading the threads; just need a push in the right LOGICAL direction. It appears to be in good shape, defiantly dirty, screen is good, and I have the remote too!y

also when try to do the 9 point manual convergence, i cant get red to go over the green reference, blue does fine, but red can go over to the left far enough. also the top left point red gets very "skewed" as in no longer a straight plus but it gets move curved.
post #11260 of 12301
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

I probably will do exactly as you suggest. Question? Can you project a DLP image onto the 65 inch screen of the Hitachi 65F59? If so, I will likely buy a Viewsonic pro 8200 or VIVitek FD 1080 over the holidays. And shoot the image right onto the Hitachi screen when viewing it. I just can't part with the Hitachi. Because I have that nagging feeling I will regret it for the rest of my days.

No you can't. BUT you can put a screen that drops down in front of the Hitachi when you want more then 65" for your viewing pleasure.
I have both but the screens in the back room not the main room.
post #11261 of 12301
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JulieMo View Post

Bob, I've read a lot of your stuff. I've watched all of your videos. There's not a whole lot on the net about Elite RPTVs so anyone serious about getting answers has to find you. And it helped me make what I feel is the right decision. You may disagree so we'll have to agree to disagree, and that's OK. Regardless, by the time this new TV fails I hope to be on a sailboat somewhere in the tropics and walking white sand beaches. cool.gif
I'm happy for you that you've found a niche and are doing so well keeping the old RPTVs running. Considering the fact you can get these for a song and sometimes even free, why not start gathering all that's out there, repair and tune them and start a business selling these? If I had your knowledge and skill, that's what I'd do. And I'd have a brand new flat screen that I'd roll around the store for comparison. There are few business where the materials are free or almost free. It seems too good an opportunity to pass up. You could call your store "Lazarus" wink.gif
I wish you all the best,
Julie

That really is an awesome idea, and thanks for thinking of me on that! Unfortunately the viability of a market is determined by the comps - always, on all levels of sales - and these days with cheap flat panels there's far too much competition for that to work anymore, when it's Joe Sixpack we're talking about. The resale value of these sets has plumetted unmercifully, leaving the real value being only in the owning of one, not the selling of one. Luckily I can save owners substantial money over buying new, so hopefully my biz here will continue, but reselling used Elites? Don't see a future in it.

Just today tho, I got a call from an owner in Florida who dearly loves his 710. It's the center of his all-matching Elite gold trim piano black home theater ensemble, and he wants to do some stuff on the phone with me then fly me out there, to get it completed. All he needs is a few more co-conspirators to share the travel expenses, so listen up Florida people! An organizer is here, and chomping at the bit to get me out there. Chime in here and contact me directly as well, if you want on board.


It is owners who paid full retail and still love these sets and are willing to keep them up with standard-issue care and feeding that are getting full value out of them, since they are such long lasting sets and were so well designed at the outset, having led the pack as the creme de la creme of HD displays from the beginning of HD in our country 12 years ago. And are still some of the finest offerings out there even now, in terms of the quality of HD you'll see from them, in terms of depth of image, flow of motion and crisp smoothness, whether during motion or at rest.

And the blacks. No other modality touches the blacks of CRT. The Pioneer Kuro plasma matched it for awhile, but Pioneer no longer makes them - has completely gotten out of the HD home theater display business - and its inheritors have yet to recapture what Pioneer accomplished on that level, whether you're talking Sharp Elite or Panasonic, who bought out the Kuro technology from Pioneer. Nobody but Kuro ever matched CRT for the depth of image and palpability you get from CRT's crisp, transparent, inky blacks, and nobody else even comes close.


Believe me, if I thought your recommendation would actually work I would do it in a heartbeat, but that will have to be handled by someone with a lot more sales skills than I have.

Know anybody?

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b
Edited by Mr Bob - 10/3/12 at 1:00pm
post #11262 of 12301
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

Bob. If you add 1080P HDMI 1.4 via a mod does that mean a modified CRT RPTV could run 1080P?
Confused......
confused.gif

Sorry Charlie, the entire set must be made 1080p capable, you can't just add a board to a set designed for 33K scan rate and make it capable of 63K scanrate. Completely different, much higher frequency circuitry has to be designed for it to do that, and it would take a lot of R&D to get that far, which would have to be supported later by huge amounts of sales, to recoup that investment.

Won't happen on CRT RPTV tech. It had its chance and the industry decided no. CRT ceiling projectors starting at $20K yes, CRT RPTVs no.

b

PS - could you repeat that info you had on glass front surface mirrors for my 73"? I am chomping at the bit myself to take that plunge now, now that my surgery is over and the required 3 months for no heavy lifting has passed.
post #11263 of 12301
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Originally Posted by langless28 View Post

sorry, i posted this in the f59a tweaks thread but am unsure which thread still gets good activity.
good day everybody! I am new to this forum and started an account because of the following story…
On the way home yesterday I saw an older “bigscreen” tv on the road that said “works fine free”. I had previously been searching for one of these to use as a old school gaming tv for the basement; you know Nintendo, ps, etc. I am a nut for hdtv and blu-ray movies which I use on the upstairs lcd tv and my ps3; so I was not very particular about picking up one of these old tv’s for the basement. Upon looking at the tv up close, I noticed it was hd capable and even had an hdmi port! I started thinking that this might have big potential! It’s a Hitachi 51f59a with a manf. date of 2006.
Loaded it up in my jeep and brought it into the garage, powers up fine. Turned on, the 3 colors are out of sync. I had never had a crtrptv and was unaware of what was going on. Read the manual and tried “magic focus”, this helped but the red was still off on one side of the screen, tried the manual convergence too with no luck. It also appears that the convergence changes after every power off (or it could just be my eyes).
Long and behold the plethora of internet information and had spend the last 2 days reading the incredibly long posts about this sort of stuff. I had a good indication of things needed to be done (dcam adjustment, a cleaning, etc) but what I am asking today is there a specific order of things I should try? From easiest to hardest, general to technical? I figured I could have bumped a gun out of sync on the drive home. I still have to put it in the basement so I will try the convergence stuff after that. I do plan on reading the threads; just need a push in the right LOGICAL direction. It appears to be in good shape, defiantly dirty, screen is good, and I have the remote too!y
also when try to do the 9 point manual convergence, i cant get red to go over the green reference, blue does fine, but red can go over to the left far enough. also the top left point red gets very "skewed" as in no longer a straight plus but it gets move curved.


"also when try to do the 9 point manual convergence, i cant get red to go over the green reference, blue does fine, but red can go over to the left far enough. also the top left point red gets very "skewed" as in no longer a straight plus but it gets move curved."

I assume you meant to say, "but red cannot go over to the left far enough."

Congrats on picking up a Hitachi! They produce some super fine HD, if you've seen any of the screenshots on this and other threads.

Your convergence circuitry needs to be repaired. Contact me directly if you want the straight scoop about that, and other things about your new set.

b
Edited by Mr Bob - 10/3/12 at 4:20pm
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How would I get in contact with you?

Edit: it seems my brain is spent for the day, I did not notice your signature with contact info.
post #11265 of 12301
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Sorry Charlie, the entire set must be made 1080p capable, you can't just add a board to a set designed for 33K scan rate and make it capable of 63K scanrate. Completely different, much higher frequency circuitry has to be designed for it to do that, and it would take a lot of R&D to get that far, which would have to be supported later by huge amounts of sales, to recoup that investment.
Won't happen on CRT RPTV tech. It had its chance and the industry decided no. CRT ceiling projectors starting at $20K yes, CRT RPTVs no.
b
PS - could you repeat that info you had on glass front surface mirrors for my 73"? I am chomping at the bit myself to take that plunge now, now that my surgery is over and the required 3 months for no heavy lifting has passed.

The 1080p question was entirely academic for me, as I have absolutely no complaint regarding image quality on my 1080i 65813. The only thing that could improve it is if it could give me a foot massage.

This is all that I can find on my computer that is current::

http://www.firstsurfacemirror.com/glassfirstsurfacemirrors.htm

Cheers
post #11266 of 12301
Thread Starter 
I'm down for a foot massage too. Let me know where to join you!

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b
post #11267 of 12301
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Your convergence circuitry needs to be repaired. Contact me directly if you want the straight scoop about that, and other things about your new set.
 

Scary, but that was my immediate first thought. Guess it really is possible to teach an old dog new tricks.

 

I've tackled lots of projects, but I don't solder. I took out my board and sent it to Bob, so, if you're not going to get Bob to come to you (which would be my first choice), get a phone consult from him and send the board. Then get back to the tweaks thread and catch up!

Service manual here:

http://elektrotanya.com/hitachi_dp65g_chassis_51f59_57f59_65f59a_tv_sm.pdf/download.html

Michael

post #11268 of 12301
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

Scary, but that was my immediate first thought. Guess it really is possible to teach an old dog new tricks.

I've tackled lots of projects, but I don't solder. I took out my board and sent it to Bob, so, if you're not going to get Bob to come to you (which would be my first choice), get a phone consult from him and send the board. Then get back to the tweaks thread and catch up!
Service manual here:
http://elektrotanya.com/hitachi_dp65g_chassis_51f59_57f59_65f59a_tv_sm.pdf/download.html
Michael

Thanks! I am a mechanical engineer so soldering is no new skill for me. These ic's and assuming the resistors that need replacement, can they be obtained as kits from places like tvrepairkits? Is that what I'm dealing with?

And there is no other explanation as to why after magic focus or manual focus, most of the right screen is proper and just the red is off in the left side? This cant be caused by dust, dirty magic focus sensors etc? I don't mind spending a little money on what I hear can be a great tv. I just want to do the most logical steps in troubleshooting. It IS dirty, I have the screen off and can verify the mirror is smoky, dust on lens assembly, dirty magic focus sensors. I plan on using the tactics mentioned by mr bob to clean the tv, but I guess the main problem is the convergence ic's and resistors?

Could a gun have been moved, or dislodged during transport? They seem rigid still.

I will give you a call mr bob, it's always good to get a good "in" on new hobbies. I just hope It does not turn into a money pit...

Also is there easy things to check in its current state to see whether its worth investing into? Or impossible to tell as of now?
post #11269 of 12301
I have an old 34" Sony trinitron and when I hook up anything to either component inputs the picture is smurfy blue. However, when I hook it up via composite the picture is fine. What's my problem and any estimates on a repair? Thanks!
post #11270 of 12301
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by langless28 View Post

Thanks! I am a mechanical engineer so soldering is no new skill for me. These ic's and assuming the resistors that need replacement, can they be obtained as kits from places like tvrepairkits? Is that what I'm dealing with?

Yes

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And there is no other explanation as to why after magic focus or manual focus, most of the right screen is proper and just the red is off in the left side? This cant be caused by dust, dirty magic focus sensors etc?

No

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I don't mind spending a little money on what I hear can be a great tv. I just want to do the most logical steps in troubleshooting. It IS dirty, I have the screen off and can verify the mirror is smoky, dust on lens assembly, dirty magic focus sensors. I plan on using the tactics mentioned by mr bob to clean the tv, but I guess the main problem is the convergence ic's and resistors?

Yes

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Could a gun have been moved, or dislodged during transport?

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They seem rigid still.

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I will give you a call mr bob, it's always good to get a good "in" on new hobbies. I just hope It does not turn into a money pit...
Also is there easy things to check in its current state to see whether its worth investing into? Or impossible to tell as of now?

We can see from your pix that your set is working just fine aside from the convergence problem. Proceed with that and see how it looks. You will need to tighten it up on convergence after the repair and then again after the first 100 hours of viewing time.

b
post #11271 of 12301
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

I have an old 34" Sony trinitron and when I hook up anything to either component inputs the picture is smurfy blue. However, when I hook it up via composite the picture is fine. What's my problem and any estimates on a repair? Thanks!

Chances are your color code is off/not matched up properly on your component hookups. Start there.

b
post #11272 of 12301
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

I have an old 34" Sony trinitron and when I hook up anything to either component inputs the picture is smurfy blue. However, when I hook it up via composite the picture is fine. What's my problem and any estimates on a repair? Thanks!

Chances are your color code is off/not matched up properly on your component hookups. Start there.

b

Thanks Bob. Can this be adjusted in the menu or does it involve taking the tv apart? I have no knowledge or skills in tv repair.
post #11273 of 12301
Thread Starter 
We're talking strictly patchcord hookup here. If you're missing one of the 3 RCA paths in your component hookup between source and display, that kind of picture can happen. No repairs involved, just making sure the patchcords are all 3 plugged in, and tightly.

b
Edited by Mr Bob - 10/7/12 at 4:37am
post #11274 of 12301
In Bob's opening comment in this thread he said:

"IMHO, it (CRT) is still the best. It still has the best blacks, it does 1080i effortlessly, (and could do 1080p just as well), and the color range and depth when properly set up and calibrated has always been thrilling. And size? When fully calibrated, it allows for viewers to sit far closer than most fixed pixel technology, delivering an essentially BIGGER picture to be watching, and losing yourself in. Isn't that really what it's all about?"

With that as backdrop, I have a question. Does anyone on this thread have any experience with a Darbee Darblet? Will it bring the edge detail, focus and sharpness benefits of LCD and DLP to CRT? Does it enhance 1080i resolution performance to a level of parity or proximity to 1080p of the digital displays? If it does, I will buy one and stop looking at the other ladies (display types) altogether. Because Darbee would be a much more practical path to huge improvement, with a display I am already 90% comfortable with. Thoughts anyone?
post #11275 of 12301
Hi all,

I have a Mitsubishi WS-73513 CRT RPTV that I've had since 2004. It's been dead for about two years and I'm finally getting around to trying to do something about it.

In about 2006 I had the green light of death problem -- the TV would cut off after a while and the green power light would start blinking. I could coax the thing back on by pressing the reset button and waiting until the light quit blinking and turn it on again, but after a while it got more and more frequent and I finally got the capacitors on the DM board fixed and all was well until about 2010. At that point I had what at first appeared to be a recurrence of the GLOD problem -- TV would cut out after running for a while and I'd have to reset it. But after a while, the symptoms changed a little bit -- instead of turning off and giving me the GLOD, the TV would like suddenly lose sync and the picture would start scrolling all over the place and there was a faint high pitched squealing sound and the sound of whatever I was watching would cut out. Again, this got more and more common until I couldn't turn on the TV w/o doing a reset and even then it would immediately start with the squealing and super fast scrolling (can still see the picture, but it's scrolling across the screen 10x per second or something.

Don't think it's the caps this time, they don't look messed up or bulging (and I got the caps that were rated plenty high enough and they worked for 4 years. Anyone think it's the caps, or maybe replace the whole DM board or it's something else entirely?

Thanks in advance!
post #11276 of 12301
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

In Bob's opening comment in this thread he said:
"IMHO, it (CRT) is still the best. It still has the best blacks, it does 1080i effortlessly, (and could do 1080p just as well), and the color range and depth when properly set up and calibrated has always been thrilling. And size? When fully calibrated, it allows for viewers to sit far closer than most fixed pixel technology, delivering an essentially BIGGER picture to be watching, and losing yourself in. Isn't that really what it's all about?"
With that as backdrop, I have a question. Does anyone on this thread have any experience with a Darbee Darblet? Will it bring the edge detail, focus and sharpness benefits of LCD and DLP to CRT? Does it enhance 1080i resolution performance to a level of parity or proximity to 1080p of the digital displays? If it does, I will buy one and stop looking at the other ladies (display types) altogether. Because Darbee would be a much more practical path to huge improvement, with a display I am already 90% comfortable with. Thoughts anyone?

I don't, so I can't help you there. But fully calibrated and precisely dialed in CRT makes no apologies to fixed pixel in the crispness department, and is notably better in other areas. I don't have any desire for a Darbee or any other processor. Leave my signal alone! The kind of crispness I live with and get lost in every day - and just got totally lost in tonight while viewing the recent version of Conan the Barbarian (which surprised even me, didn't think I'd get into it that much!) with its luscious eye candy - has been photographed and sent up as screenshots back on page 259 of this very thread, check them out. If you seriously want more crispness than that - my shots of that Maybelline commercial - you must have a better eye than I have.

I did change the timeline in that post - it is now obvious that when properly taken care of, CRT lasts 20 years and longer - which is deathly hard to find in today's fixed pixel designs. I am a service tech, and the new stuff is going down right and left, at sometimes only 2-3 years old. And usually when something goes wrong with a fixed pixel display, chances are good that it's totalled - unless it's one of the real expensive kind, in which case it's worth it to spend the big bucks on its repair. Then when your highly affordable fixed pixel display is totalled, you have to go out and buy new again. And pay sales taxes again, which in and of itself is horrendously expensive.

Not so with CRT. It just keeps going, and going, and going...


I want to amend something I said back then because the tech has now changed so much.

Back then we didn't have an awful lot of 720p or 1080p yet and most of the fixed pixel arena was 480p, which is where my comments came from. 1080p is commonplace now, so I would have to amend my statement to say that fully calibrated CRT allows us to sit just as close as 1080p fixed pixel does. And look every bit as good, in its own way, and better in many ways. Substantially better than most of the readily affordable fixed pixel out there.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

b
Edited by Mr Bob - 10/7/12 at 5:17am
post #11277 of 12301
Regarding the Darblet, it's my impression that you need to have a dedicated DVI or HDMI port to use it. I don't believe it will work through the Fury, but I'm not 100% sure.

According to expert reviews, even those who don't like any kind of signal processing like the Darblet. At its 75% setting it appears to introduce no artifacts, and is said to increase the sense of depth and detail in the picture. Eventually, this circuitry may be incorporated into DVD players, receivers etc.

So, this may be the exception to the "no processor" rule.

This was recently posted in Hometheater.com, but appears to be republished or updated from an earlier review that I'd read:
http://www.hometheater.com/content/darbee-visual-presence-darblet-video-enhancer

By the way, Bob, after all these many months, did you ever get a chance to see the Elite?
Edited by taichi4 - 10/7/12 at 8:41am
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Darblet brought new life back into my RP CRT.

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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Darblet brought new life back into my RP CRT.

Details! Details! We want details!

Does your RTPV have DVI or HDMI?

How does it work for highly compressed cable, dish, or streamed?

Do you have any pictures?

Thanks.
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