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post #11611 of 12297
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Oh you mean the one where Pioneer lost the class action suit and had to replace huge numbers of CRT socket boards for you owners? Oh yeah. My only regret there is that they finally disco'd doing so when the settlement dates expired and went back to making owners pay for the replacements themselves. What a crock! And what they have done to you owners over this PS board resoldering business on the entire PRO 510, PRO 610 and PRO 710 series, and half of the PRO 520, PRO 620 and PRO 720 series. Glad I could be there to help, but Pioneer shoulda been paying me all these years, not you guys!

Hijack, hijack! Please use this thread to find a new home for your set, hope we can help. Be sure to also run this info in the For Sale section here at AVS, list it for $0. That should get some attention...!

Also be sure and pass along the co-ordinates of this thread to the new owners, so they can avail themselves of all the incredible advanced info here for CRT RPTV owners!

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Edited by Mr Bob - 3/3/13 at 5:16pm
post #11612 of 12297
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Oh you mean the one where Pioneer lost the class action suit and had to replace huge numbers of CRT socket boards for you owners? Oh yeah. My only regret there is that they finally disco'd doing so when the settlement dates expired and went back to making owners pay for the replacements themselves. What a crock! And what they have done to you owners over this PS board resoldering business on the entire PRO 510, PRO 610 and PRO 710 series, and half of the PRO 520, PRO 620 and PRO 720 series. Glad I could be there to help, but Pioneer shoulda been paying me all these years, not you guys!

Indeed, that was a frustrating problem. A lot of failures reappeared after one or more CRT board swaps, actually, so I spent some time troubleshooting the board myself before I even called Pioneer. It's rare that an EE-related problem gets the best of me, but that one did. I could never come up with a way to reproduce the problem on demand or diagnose it when it did occur. Just the act of opening the TV's front panel was enough to guarantee that the symptom would not recur for days or weeks.

From Pioneer's perspective it would have been a near-worst-case scenario, second only to their TVs burning peoples' houses down. Fortunately it only took one service visit to fix this particular set for good. I had Eliab from Avical give it the ISF once-over after it was clear that the problem was gone, and it's been running perfectly ever since.
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Hijack, hijack! Please use this thread to find a new home for your set, hope we can help. Be sure to also run this info in the For Sale section here at AVS, list it for $0. That should get some attention...! Also be sure and pass along the co-ordinates of this thread to the new owners, so they can avail themselves of all the incredible advanced info here for CRT RPTV owners!

Yes, that's the next step, I think. I didn't want too much 'attention' from too broad an audience, or I would have gone straight to Craigslist. If I have Magnolia/Best Buy pick it up, they will charge me to take it and it will end up in a dump somewhere. Which as everyone who has seen one of these sets knows is just insane. It would be better off in the basement of a fellow RPTV geek.
post #11613 of 12297
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Originally Posted by TheFranchise View Post

Sony 51ws500. Picked it up for free but needing a power cord, with a description of "has red squiggly lines."


I figure people like CRT stories, so...

Ordered chips and fuses, so that took a while.
Had some stuff come up, so left two circuit boards hanging out the back of it for a while.
Finally got around to it...

Thought the new parts didn't work but then realized the picture might actually come on if I plug in the two wires I missed.

There's only an SD signal to it at the moment, haven't messed with any convergence menus or anything, took the pic with a phone and a flash, but it looks like it's good to go.

Guess I can go buy a remote control for this thing now.


post #11614 of 12297
component cables fixed the ps3 right up and it's a very perty pic smile.gif since i only have 1 hdmi i wasnt concerned about troubleshooting past buying the component. so the tivo remains connected with hdmi. i still hate when it loses conenction and goes all poltergeist on me while watching a show though. but id rather have a tv show cutout than a game i'm playing lol.

i guess component is a rare thing because gamestop only had one in stock. 20 bucks was fair for a local store but i would bought it for even higher cause i needed it!
post #11615 of 12297
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I don't know if the HDCP people are behind it, but someone has made sure to stamp out all component output connections for bluray players produced these days, now and for a while back, and from now on. Permanently. I am thankful they have not gotten away with it for satellite and cable STBs yet. Probably only a matter of time...

rolleyes.gif

I am hanging onto my component-equipped bluray players for dear life. Won't see any more of them.

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post #11616 of 12297
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Originally Posted by TheFranchise View Post

I figure people like CRT stories, so...

Ordered chips and fuses, so that took a while.
Had some stuff come up, so left two circuit boards hanging out the back of it for a while.
Finally got around to it...

Thought the new parts didn't work but then realized the picture might actually come on if I plug in the two wires I missed.

There's only an SD signal to it at the moment, haven't messed with any convergence menus or anything, took the pic with a phone and a flash, but it looks like it's good to go.

Guess I can go buy a remote control for this thing now.



Good job! You nailed it.

Looks like you used a flash to take your picture, which is never a good idea when shooting a rear projection TV while it's on. Won't hurt anything, but makes what you're trying to shoot really hard to see at the cam's lens...

Aside from that, the milky blacks show that your optics are thoroughly dirty, which is only to be expected at your set's age. Cleanable in an afternoon, but don't take that op lightly. You could trash your optics permanently in a minute, with the wrong practices and/or materials. Get the proper coaching for when you do optics cleaning! I am available for that op, as always.

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post #11617 of 12297
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Looks like you used a flash to take your picture, which is never a good idea when shooting a rear projection TV while it's on. Won't hurt anything, but makes what you're trying to shoot really hard to see at the cam's lens...

Aside from that, the milky blacks show that your optics are thoroughly dirty, which is only to be expected at your set's age.
Heh, yeah, I figured someone would say don't use a flash. I didn't realize my phone did it until transferring the picture.

Got it connected to a PC and 8500gt now via component for an HD input. Could do DVI, but I know you've said around here use component on these when possible. It has a similar washed-out look as yesterday with the downconverter box. But I just noticed the 8500gt is set for 16-235 dynamic range. Changing it to the 0-255 setting is an instant "pow!" much better darks. I know the TV still needs a good cleaning and all that, though. It was sitting in the guy's garage for a good while before I got it, and I was worried the entire red gun might be bad not just chips so haven't even wiped off the screen yet.

Still needs a little TLC, but it's one less 51" CRT in the landfill at least.
post #11618 of 12297
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Be careful how you wipe off the screen. Those plastic screens absorb stuff and leave residue like you would not believe, and it's very hard to get off without scratching something. One Sony owner I encountered had tried to wipe something off his lenticular only to find that the top edge of each rib had a black coating on it all across the screen, for the purpose of delivering the darkest blacks possible. Which came off just in the area he had wiped and nowhere else. I couldn't help him, it was too late, there was now a big light spot on his screen where it had been all uniform dark, like it should be.

I would not touch the screen unless absolutely necessary.

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Edited by Mr Bob - 3/5/13 at 5:24pm
post #11619 of 12297
interesting, so since you can use the PS3 as a bluray , after i'm done with it, it may be a hot item on ebay because it has component smile.gif ive never seen a bluray dvd and likely never would buy one so that aspect doesnt really interest me.
post #11620 of 12297
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

I don't know if the HDCP people are behind it, but someone has made sure to stamp out all component output connections for bluray players produced these days, now and for a while back, and from now on. Permanently. I am thankful they have not gotten away with it for satellite and cable STBs yet. Probably only a matter of time...

rolleyes.gif

I am hanging onto my component-equipped bluray players for dear life. Won't see any more of them.

mad.gif

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Mr. Bob I think as long as Sony makes the PS/3 (soon to be 4) with the optional A/V component cable it won't matter if other Bluray players only have HDMI.
post #11621 of 12297
Can't say, 'cause I'm more a 'PC-guy' than a true a/v ophile, but what I meant was the settings I finally used to see my HTPC text a little better. Those settings were 'whack', but using the HDMI-in on the back of the TV, I just set the PC to the 720x480 resolution, and the WS-65517 automatically 'found' it and locked on as 'non-interlaced', so......?
I dunno, all I can say is that it definitely does NOT appear interlaced--not even the slightest vibrating or flicker...it's been a week (I've been fooling around with an old Logitech Revue connected to that single HDMI), so I can't remember the exact 'info' txt that came up on the WS-65517, but I am sure it does say 'interlaced' once locking onto that same PC signal at any higher resolution than the 720x480.
Oh--you read before all I said about 'tweaking' the HTPC (Windows 7) video resolution settings, right? That may be why 'nobody' would have ever got that to work, if I really did...I always have to settle for less than perfection, say, since I'm basically dirt poor, and were I rich, I'd still be dirt cheap!
Just ask, and I'll provide you with those pics, o revered one!
post #11622 of 12297
Can't say, 'cause I'm more a 'PC-guy' than a true a/v ophile, but what I meant was the settings I finally used to see my HTPC text a little better. Those settings were 'whack', but using the HDMI-in on the back of the TV, I just set the PC to the 720x480 resolution, and the WS-65517 automatically 'found' it and locked on as 'non-interlaced', so......?
I dunno, all I can say is that it definitely does NOT appear interlaced--not even the slightest vibrating or flicker...it's been a week (I've been fooling around with an old Logitech Revue connected to that single HDMI), so I can't remember the exact 'info' txt that came up on the WS-65517, but I am sure it does say 'interlaced' once locking onto that same PC signal at any higher resolution than the 720x480.
Oh--you read before all I said about 'tweaking' the HTPC (Windows 7) video resolution settings, right? That may be why 'nobody' would have ever got that to work, if I really did...I always have to settle for less than perfection, say, since I'm basically dirt poor, and were I rich, I'd still be dirt cheap!
Just ask, and I'll provide you with those pics, o revered one!
post #11623 of 12297
After following this thread for many years, I decided to do my part and save a Pioneer Elite Pro-700HD from the landfill. I took a chance and bought it sight unseen for $100 delivered. Unfortunately but not unexpected, it has some problems. It looks like it has some screen burn in on the lower corners and the convergence is off. I didn’t realize before buying that this model only had the 9 point user convergence adjustments and very antiquated service menu adjustments. I’ve been studying the service manual and I believe I have figured out the convergence adjustment puzzle (Static,Skew,Bow,Size,Mid Size,etc…) but I can’t get the grid to line up at the corners. No adjustment made will fix the curvature at the corners. Does it look like my convergence chips have gone bad? Any help would be very appreciated!
post #11624 of 12297
I have a Panasonic RPTV that I got when I bought the house I live in. The previous owner didn't want to move it out of the basement!

It has always had this issue, even the original owner stated that from the day he bought it it had this issue, but, since he had such an issue with the delivery folks, he never dealt with it.

It is a HDTV in that it has Component inputs, so it will display up to 1080i with a component input, but, I usually only use the composite inputs.

The overall pic quality of the TV is great. The problem has always been the menu "wheel". It has always had a "fuzzy" look to it. Although it is had to visualize in these photos, (the camera seems to bring it into focus better than it is in reality)
it is somewhat bad.

What would cause ONLY the menu wheel to be in poor visual focus while the rest of the picture looks fine?

Thanks



post #11625 of 12297
I have a KDP-65xbr2. When I start it, the picture flashes off then on within a couple minutes. It has gotten progressive worst. Lately The red gun seems to be the brightest when this happens. All the guns do flash. I had seen the curved white lines on the red gun appear once when the flash happens. Also there is a rubber plug that seems to be popped out on the red gun. Don't know if it means anything. his is the picture.

This is one the plug is not popped. Any ideas. Thanks.
post #11626 of 12297
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Originally Posted by Stone Cold View Post

After following this thread for many years, I decided to do my part and save a Pioneer Elite Pro-700HD from the landfill. I took a chance and bought it sight unseen for $100 delivered. Unfortunately but not unexpected, it has some problems. It looks like it has some screen burn in on the lower corners and the convergence is off. I didn’t realize before buying that this model only had the 9 point user convergence adjustments and very antiquated service menu adjustments. I’ve been studying the service manual and I believe I have figured out the convergence adjustment puzzle (Static,Skew,Bow,Size,Mid Size,etc…) but I can’t get the grid to line up at the corners. No adjustment made will fix the curvature at the corners. Does it look like my convergence chips have gone bad? Any help would be very appreciated!

Your convergence chips are fine, I have the same issue it was explained to me by I believe Mr Bob a long time ago that it is an inherent problem with Pioneer Elites which makes them difficult to get overscan to 5 or less and keep the warped edges hidden.

I believe or at least theorize that this warping is due to poor quality circuitry on the convergence boards and could possibly be corrected by replacing much of it with high quality, low noise or low ESR circuitry similar to how some sound boards are upgraded.
post #11627 of 12297
You could setup the Pioneer to overscan to hide those edges, then buy a used DVDO Edge to underscan the picture. I've got a direct view CRT that I can't get the overscan dialed in via the menu, and the Edge solved the problem beautifully.
post #11628 of 12297
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Originally Posted by newsposter View Post

interesting, so since you can use the PS3 as a bluray , after i'm done with it, it may be a hot item on ebay because it has component smile.gif ive never seen a bluray dvd and likely never would buy one so that aspect doesnt really interest me.

If you have not experienced HD via bluray or HD DVD, you have not lived. It has the finest HD available. And they are dirt cheap finally, both discs and players.

You're missing the boat if you have a fine HD ready and are not using a bluray player to fuel it.

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post #11629 of 12297
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Mr. Bob I think as long as Sony makes the PS/3 (soon to be 4) with the optional A/V component cable it won't matter if other Bluray players only have HDMI.

You really think Sony will not phase out component output connections the way the other brands have? You have more faith than I do...

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post #11630 of 12297
Isn't there a specific thing with copy protection and component, that's why it's moved to HDMI (HDCP)
post #11631 of 12297
I have never owned a PS, but as it doubles as a very good BluRay player I've considered one.

The PS4, which will come out this year also will have Analog AV out according to specs downloadable from this site:

https://us.playstation.com/ps4/?CMP=P13-BING-SEM

Having never owned one, I do not know if both games and movies are playable out the Analog ports, but I imagine both are. Perhaps someone will opine. Bluray into my Mits through both analog video and audio would be great.
post #11632 of 12297
I forgot to get back to Mr Bob about my Mits WS-55413......

I decided to get rid of the TV, a local recycler was collecting in my neighborhood about a week after my post. With a new Panasonic 55" 3D smart HDTV costing only $1150, I decided the 9 years of service on my WS-55413 was enough and sent it to the scrap heap. While I love the RP CRT picture, we're living in a HDMI world now and I could not justify spending any money to repair a 2003 version television.

Thanks Mr Bob for checking out my issue! You do a great service for our members here!

Fred
post #11633 of 12297
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

I have never owned a PS, but as it doubles as a very good BluRay player I've considered one.

The PS4, which will come out this year also will have Analog AV out according to specs downloadable from this site:

https://us.playstation.com/ps4/?CMP=P13-BING-SEM

Having never owned one, I do not know if both games and movies are playable out the Analog ports, but I imagine both are. Perhaps someone will opine. Bluray into my Mits through both analog video and audio would be great.

It'll be interesting to see if it'll allow an HD picture for bluray via those analog outputs. I've got a Sony BDP-S380 Bluray player, that has component video output. The problem is, it only allows copy protected disks to be played at 480i.
post #11634 of 12297
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

It'll be interesting to see if it'll allow an HD picture for bluray via those analog outputs. I've got a Sony BDP-S380 Bluray player, that has component video output. The problem is, it only allows copy protected disks to be played at 480i.

I was wondering about the same thing. There are PS3 owners on this thread who have no doubt tried it, and could chime in.
post #11635 of 12297
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

Having never owned one, I do not know if both games and movies are playable out the Analog ports, but I imagine both are. Perhaps someone will opine.

Yes the PS3 will output games and movies up to at least 1080i via the component output (I don't know about 1080p but that's a moot point with CRT and most displays anyhow). However the games have to support 1080i/p or they display at 720p or 480i/p depending on what signals the TV will accept.
post #11636 of 12297
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

You could setup the Pioneer to overscan to hide those edges, then buy a used DVDO Edge to underscan the picture. I've got a direct view CRT that I can't get the overscan dialed in via the menu, and the Edge solved the problem beautifully.
Thanks for the suggestion but from my limited research, the dvdo edge only has hdmi output. My model Pioneer tv only has component input.
post #11637 of 12297
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Originally Posted by Stone Cold View Post

Thanks for the suggestion but from my limited research, the dvdo edge only has hdmi output. My model Pioneer tv only has component input.

You would need a hdmi to component adapter like a HDfury2.
post #11638 of 12297
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Originally Posted by Stone Cold View Post

Thanks for the suggestion but from my limited research, the dvdo edge only has hdmi output. My model Pioneer tv only has component input.

My TV is component input only as well. I use an HDFury2, works perfectly. In the end, it was somewhat expensive setup, but it works really well.
post #11639 of 12297
I never really had a problem just using component cables before so I forgot all about the HDFury2. Yeah, I could see how it could get expensive trying to save this TV; especially if I get Mr. Bob to do his magic on it.smile.gif
post #11640 of 12297
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Originally Posted by Stone Cold View Post

I never really had a problem just using component cables before so I forgot all about the HDFury2. Yeah, I could see how it could get expensive trying to save this TV; especially if I get Mr. Bob to do his magic on it.smile.gif

Its ALL relative and a matter of perspective... Even if you drop some money for Bob to come over and do EVERYTHING to your tv, you would probably be spending less money than if you bought a new TV and with probably a better picture.

Now if you are looking into 3D or even further into SuperHD (4K) then that would be another issue, but if you want the best picture at an affordable (relative) price CRT/rear projection is still available.
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