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post #11731 of 12297
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Model 1050. 65W/ch, 7.1. Awesome unit! First heard one on Cambridge Soundworks speakers, where the bass was deep and puffy, just the way I like it. And the soundstage it creates is magnificent. Superb stuff, that Outlaw stuff.

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post #11732 of 12297
Some screen shots, untouched, directly from the camera. RPCRT at its best!

From the newest "Reference 2: Blu-Ray Demo Disc"





post #11733 of 12297
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Whoa! You nailed those, Leo! My compliments -

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post #11734 of 12297
Ok so my 11 year old 60" philips is getting to a point where the picture is just crap. I have had the convergence chips replaced twice over the last few years and now I have to crank the brightness and picture settings up to 99 to get a decent viewable picture. I am also getting the blue edges around the white images on the screen and have to go in at least once a month to adjust the convergence to take some of the blur out of the picture. I also had the fluid in the tubes changed out but I don't think they cleaned the lenses very well because I have brown and pinkish spots in different areas of the screen. I know this may be sacrilegious to ask in this thread but what are the suggestions for a new set, plasma, LED, LCD? I want to stay in the 60" range and will probably upgrade the home theater components as well.
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As you say, this is the wrong thread to ask for ALTERNATIVES to CRT. There are plenty of threads discussing the various advantages and disadvantages of the other (currently available) options.

Good luck with your search.

post #11736 of 12297
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Your set can probably be improved with a general optics cleaning, and it looks like the energies getting to the guns need to be realigned, as happens on all the Pioneer Elite and non-Elite CRT RPTVs at this age. That done you'll start to see massive improvements in pic quality.

If your blue is blooming, chances are your focus is off, either mechanically or electrostatically.

Simple things for me I know, but powerful. You might want to consider plunking down a few bucks to try and save your set before kissing it off. It may not be that far gone. My phone consultation rate is very nominal for what you get for it.

Michael is not kidding, he has implemented all sorts of improvements on his set, just as a DIYer. And has had me on the phone with him during critical operations. He and I go way back, yet he has never had my hands actually on his set! And still his Hitachi's picture stays excellent.

If you think that's too much to do, try getting a Pioneer Elite CRT RPTV, they were state of the art and highly sought after by videophiles at the same time Philips was not nearly that. You can get a Pioneer RPTV cheap these days, and know that they were built to last and will never need their coolant replaced, as many Philips/Marantz and Sonys did. Mit is another brand that never needs its coolant replaced.


If you seriously want to go new, go back to the very first post on this 392 page thread and see if you really want to take on what I describe there, as nothing much has changed since then. And the fact that you'll be lucky to get 3-4 years out of the new stuff you will be buying, whereas CRT is a 20 year service life format which most of us are only half way thru by now. I have heard of CRTs that were 29 years old without anything ever going wrong on them.

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Edited by Mr Bob - 6/1/13 at 8:33pm
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Thanks for your advice Bob, I just am not sure it is worth it to try and save this one being that the make/model I have is no where near the higher end sets like the Pioneer or Panasonics that you guys make look so beautiful. I suppose I could try and track one down here locally and then get into making it look like all of the sets in this thread but not sure if I have the patience to bring one back to life. I may take a cruise through the for sale forum and see if I can dig up something local.
post #11738 of 12297
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Michael is not kidding, he has implemented all sorts of improvements on his set, just as a DIYer. And has had me on the phone with him during critical operations. He and I go way back, yet he has never had my hands actually on his set! And still his Hitachi's picture stays excellent.
 

Unfortunately, my ability to take screenshots doesn't hold a candle to Leo's or Bob's, so you'll just have to pretend the pictures above look just like mine (Leo and I have the same set, and we, too, go way back and have never met).

Or stop by!

Speaking of which, Bob has a set or two available, so you're in luck if you're on the west coast.

Michael

post #11739 of 12297
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Absolutely!

Yes, you are at a disadvantage having your set today, with so many much better CRT sets available these days for peanuts. Having blotchiness in your whites indicates that indeed the changing of your coolant was not done 100%, if the coolant covers got reinstalled dirty and patchy. Correcting that would take almost as much effort as the original coolant changeout job.

I could not make out where you are, but if close by, I have one all ready to go for you, fully pimped out. Bigger than yours and fully HD ready. Contact me directly and we'll talk. I have actually been known to send sets like this cross country when needed. Last one I sent was to Texas, a Pioneer Elite.

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post #11740 of 12297
That sounds very tempting Bob, you have piqued my interest. I'll send you an email or if you prefer I can call, is there a preferred time? I am in the Richmond/Rosenberg area which is near Sugarland in the Houston metro area. One of the other disadvantages I have with this set is that it is no longer capable of receiving OTA broadcasts, not a really big deal other that when the cable or satellite goes out.
post #11741 of 12297
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Easily remedied. If an SD TV, find an old hi-fi stereo VCR with its own built-in tuner and use that.

If it's HDready, get a Samsung OTA ATSC tuner. Much less expensive than getting an internal ATSC tuner fixed. Most HDready CRT RPTVs were strictly monitors and had no internal HD tuners anyway. Those that did had strictly NTSC tuners, which are worthless now except for picking up RF modulated material on ch 3 or 4, or a specific channel for satellite. All airwaves these days are digital, meaning UHF frequencies only, even tho the naming of them is sometimes in the VHF numbers range.

To be fair, OTA HD is the least compressed HD out there with the possible exception of bluray and as such is incredibly nice viewing, better even than cable or satellite.

Anytime after 9am my time any day would be OK to call, tho waiting till 10am my time on the weekends would be good. Call up till 9pm my time any night.

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Edited by Mr Bob - 6/2/13 at 5:36pm
post #11742 of 12297

Better he buys one of your "extra" sets.

I get a bigger commission that way.

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post #11744 of 12297
I have about a 2004 Mitsubishi rear projection TV. I have over the years been so happy with the picture. Especially the fact of no picture noise as compared to the new stuff. But recently things have taken a turn for the worse. I have always had issues for awhile where everything has a pink hue. I have gone into the service menu and adjusted the red Drive and Cutoff down. The numbers are quite low now to get a white screen. Also something seems odd with my contrast. The bright whites are really bright. Green, Red and Blue will sometimes bloom out of the image from the left to right. But the rest of the image seems under contrast. In the convergence screen, The red cross is pretty sharp but the blue and green are broader and fuzzy. So I turn contrast down and image is ok but pretty dull. When I turn the TV on it takes about 5-8 seconds and then starts with a heavy red tinted screen then settles in to the correct levels. Does this sound somewhat terminal. I have got to be honest, I really don't look forward to the picture of the new plasma and LED tvs. Especially the dithering noise which can be so bad at times. Thanks,
post #11745 of 12297
This info hasn't been posted in a while, but if anyone is interested there is a device to make a non 3D HDTV a 3D set. Tallked about in this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1323736/3d-theatre-vip-product-thread

I just put it in this past w/e and it seems to work as advertised. Outputs 720p. There is another more expensive device which does 1080p. If you don't have HDMI, just use a converter. I used an HDfury II on a Sony KDP-65xbr2.
post #11746 of 12297
Thread Starter 
I've been curious about that. There may be a reason to keep my year 2000 Panny 65" after all!

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post #11747 of 12297
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Originally Posted by tw557 View Post

I have about a 2004 Mitsubishi rear projection TV. I have over the years been so happy with the picture. Especially the fact of no picture noise as compared to the new stuff. But recently things have taken a turn for the worse. I have always had issues for awhile where everything has a pink hue. I have gone into the service menu and adjusted the red Drive and Cutoff down. The numbers are quite low now to get a white screen. Also something seems odd with my contrast. The bright whites are really bright. Green, Red and Blue will sometimes bloom out of the image from the left to right. But the rest of the image seems under contrast. In the convergence screen, The red cross is pretty sharp but the blue and green are broader and fuzzy. So I turn contrast down and image is ok but pretty dull. When I turn the TV on it takes about 5-8 seconds and then starts with a heavy red tinted screen then settles in to the correct levels. Does this sound somewhat terminal. I have got to be honest, I really don't look forward to the picture of the new plasma and LED tvs. Especially the dithering noise which can be so bad at times. Thanks,

Can't say for sure without getting down and dirty with your set on location, but have never yet seen a Mit that has no coolant damage not respond like gangbusters to the Image Perfection protocol.

Let me know if you want my help.

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post #11748 of 12297
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Easily remedied. If an SD TV, find an old hi-fi stereo VCR with its own built-in tuner and use that.

If it's HDready, get a Samsung OTA ATSC tuner. Much less expensive than getting an internal ATSC tuner fixed. Most HDready CRT RPTVs were strictly monitors and had no internal HD tuners anyway. Those that did had strictly NTSC tuners, which are worthless now except for picking up RF modulated material on ch 3 or 4, or a specific channel for satellite. All airwaves these days are digital, meaning UHF frequencies only, even tho the naming of them is sometimes in the VHF numbers range.

To be fair, OTA HD is the least compressed HD out there with the possible exception of bluray and as such is incredibly nice viewing, better even than cable or satellite.

Anytime after 9am my time any day would be OK to call, tho waiting till 10am my time on the weekends would be good. Call up till 9pm my time any night.

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A LOT OF SET TOP BOXES AS FAR AS CABLE, sat or even a few recorders have digital tuners in them............most have one of these .

My Dish receiver has a built in dig tuner and it was much more sensitive to picking up channels with the same antenna than several tvs I own with their own built in tuners.
post #11749 of 12297
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Yes, the real question is whether a Dish STB can be used without subscribing to the Dish satellite system. I know that the VOOM STB was able to pick up OTA long after VOOM itself disappeared, and could be used as a free, non-paid OTA box from then on. Have not tried whether a Dish box can be used that way because my subscription to Dish has always been continuous. But the OTA it does pick up is superb. Question would be if I would continue to do so once separated from the mother Dish Network satellite system.

Not having to pay to get content OTA is the real goal here, of having an ATSC tuner to start with, regardless of how. My Dish subscription has become quite expensive lately compared to how much I actually use it and have time for watching it. I am seeking other alternatives, and Roku does not put out 1080i. Neither does Apple TV, from what I have seen so far. Enlighten me, please! Every box I have seen that will stream the net puts out 720p or 1080p HD, but no 1080i HD.

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Edited by Mr Bob - 6/6/13 at 9:07am
post #11750 of 12297
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All airwaves these days are digital, meaning UHF frequencies only, even tho the naming of them is sometimes in the VHF numbers range.

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I really wish this were the case, VHF is still unfortunately alive, my local CBS affiliate stubbornly will not cut to VHF, despite having been UHF (channel 52) from 2007-2009 before having to cut back to their VHF channel 10.

http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=KOLR
post #11751 of 12297
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 Every box I have seen that will stream the net puts out 720p or 1080p HD, but no 1080i HD.
 

Why is that a problem? Can't our sets "deal with" 1080p?

Or, if worse comes to worse, upscale 720p?

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post #11752 of 12297
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

Why is that a problem? Can't our sets "deal with" 1080p?

Or, if worse comes to worse, upscale 720p?

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Nope, most will not accept a 1080p signal and many, like my Sony, actually take a 720p signal and downscale to 480p.

 

Assuming one has a set with DVI/HDMI then something like the Oppo 103 Blu-Ray player that has an additional input for something like a cable box could convert everything to 1080i for you.

 

I was looking at the newest Roku 3 but decided not to get one as I wanted it on my main TV and needed it to output 1080i which it cannot.

post #11753 of 12297
If I'm not mistaken, the Hitachis can take 1080P and downconvert to 1080i with no mal effect to them. And if connected through HDMI they upcomvert any signal to 1080I. Form what I gather then these sets (Hitachi) are odd compared to the rest.
post #11754 of 12297
I recently replaced my 65" Toshiba HDX82 Cinema Series television with a LED TV. I thought I would post about it here since it still works totally fine and I will give it away to someone if they want it. I figured you guys appreciate these tv's more than others so I will let you have first dibs. I live in the Cincinnati area and if you can figure out a way to get it then it is yours. I even have a HDMI to DVI cable to go with it along with the instruction book.

Any takers? HDX82 1754k .jpg file
post #11755 of 12297
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Originally Posted by superleo View Post

If I'm not mistaken, the Hitachis can take 1080P and downconvert to 1080i with no mal effect to them. And if connected through HDMI they upcomvert any signal to 1080I. Form what I gather then these sets (Hitachi) are odd compared to the rest.

I'm reasonably sure I tried 1080p on my 51F59A once and it didn't take it. It will accept 720p and not down convert it to 480p like a lot of RP CRT do.
post #11756 of 12297
Holy smoke.

I found you guys again and it looks like CRT is still alive. I retired early and went out of the country. I have settled down now and had my Hitachi, which I could not part with, in storage. People thought I was a nut for hanging onto it but I have two possessions I care about, a Mustang and this TV, so I kept it. Now its on the way to me. I turned it on during a visit to the storage unit and it still has a great pic. Just needs the usual cleaning, grid alignment ect.. Im sure I will need to relearn some things but I will get there.

Bob expect a phone consult soon as I will want to go over a few things when it comes in. Pretty excited to see names I remember well here in this thread. I didn't see any new updates but does anyone know of the old Hitachi 51f threads are still alive? No one believes me that these sets can really perform and look good. Now I have a whole new set up skeptic to convince!!
post #11757 of 12297
My set will take a 1080p feed but its viewed in 1080i. Its a 51F59A as well so I know it works. It will just give me a message that says it will not view in 1080p. I have to then switch it to 1080i and its fine.
post #11758 of 12297
Bob... my PRO630HD which i Bought new in 2003 needs a new power supply - at least that is what a tech told me. I have had extended warranty coverage on this but the tech told me that he doubts that the assurance company will find a power supply or want to. I love this set. How do I get in touch with you? I am in the Palo Alto area.
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See his sig a few posts up and give him a call or email him. Do not bother trying to contact him with a PM.

 

 

Hey, Mustang!

Michael

post #11760 of 12297
Maybe the meter was forwarded to one of the other addresses? tongue.gif
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