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post #241 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

That protective screen - called "glare screen" by videophiles because of exactly what you mention here - can be removed. I could not WAIT to get mine offa there, on my 65" Panny.


Mr Bob

Yes I know I want to remove it but for now it's really a protecive screen for me. No matter how many times I tell my child that Nemo is going to be ok, she just can't seem to help herself run to his defense
post #242 of 11733
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It is. Hop in here, fellow CRT RPTV owners, and eddicate this guy!


That is the schlockiest and most transparent marketing ploy I have ever heard of. And I totally believe it. Why push CRT RPTVs when the bottom has fallen out of its pricing??? They all want to make that good, high-priced fixed pixel money.

Well everyone here corrupted...er..I mean educated me. I bit the bullet and bought a Mitsubishi 55517 tonight. Will be delivered on Saturday, along with installation of DishNet HD (new house). Got the TV, 4-yr warranty, delivery & basic setup for less than $2k.

The sales guy has a CRT RP Mitsubishi, and completely unprompted was telling me how the picture was better than a DLP, etc. Finally someone not just pushing pixels. They also had a relatively decent HD signal feeding all their TVs, so I could compare the Toshibas, Hitachis, and the Mitsubishi. The Hitachis were priced really great, but comparing the 55"+ sets I preferred the Mitsubishi.

Now need to pick up some nice cables and the AVIA DVD so I'm ready for delivery.
post #243 of 11733
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Bob,

Once mechanical and electrstatic focus is done, do you ever have to do it again? Does it drift like convergence and grayscale, etc.?


The electrostatic can, but the mechanical/optical is fixed once done correctly. Which among other things means not overtightening wingnuts.

On the Mits HDreadys, the top half of the duvetyne tape has to be completely removed from the movable barrel and reapplied once the refocusing is done. If you leave it taped up, it will just be drawn back into the position you just vacated for the better one.

WARNING:

Whenever you do the electrostatic focus at the focus block, NEVER accidentally turn the SCREEN trimpots. They are VERY sensitive and are the core of your grayscale.

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Also, can opening up the back to clean the CRTs and mirror, etc. IF done carefully ever accidentally alter focus?

Not if done right, meaning you never crank down on your cleaning utensils and by so doing rub hard on your lenses, very possibly altering focus. They are made of plastic and can very easily become permanently scratched.

But on an Elite altering the focus by removing the back is the least of your worries. You could permanently damage both your mirror and your screen sandwich if you remove the back, where the mirror is. There are lock screws with a special head there, that require a special driver. DO NOT DEFEAT THEM. I was just too smart for myself once and did, resulting in damage. They are there to save you from yourself. The top of the mirror is loose, and will fall out and nosedive against your screen if you remove the back, where the bottom of the mirror sets, and once you feel the mirror start to go as it slips out of its slot up above while you are back there holding the plastic back of the mirror section, all you can do is feel it take its fall, as you cannot see it, nor can you stop the damage that will occur.


Mr Bob
post #244 of 11733
MrBob thanks for your reply it was very helpful, by the way the calibration you talked about, is it hard/expensive, does the warranty cover it?? can the user do some sort of calibration in order to get a good pq?? and what do you think of the viewing angle of this kind of sets?? thanks

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Hi, I am trying to decide wich RPTV to buy, I've heard Sony 3LCD are great but when I watch them at the stores they look really bad, but the other day I found a Samsung 43" CRT (HD ready) which looked so much better than the sony. I know every RPTV needs proper calibration in order to show its real pq, but with the little-to-non calibration these sets might have had, the samsung wins hands down compared to the sony



Cool!

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but I think they are hard to mantain, this one has an auto-focus system but I don't know how well it might work



Auto focus - which are really auto-convergence - systems suck compared to what can be done with a bona-fide full service/full spectrum calibration. I advise never touching them again after one of my cals, and some people actually disco their buttons after cals, so they CAN'T be used again.

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and how often should I need to change the lamp (or lamps, sorry I know nothing about crt projection).



No lamps in CRT technology. Only CRTs, which can always be changed out and re-set up - they do it all the time in ceiling pjs - but when properly treated should never need replacement.

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Well I was just wandering what you guys think of it. Should I give it a try or go for the sony???? need your help!!!! thanks in advance



CRT. But get it calibrated.


Mr Bob
post #245 of 11733
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Originally Posted by rscheff View Post

MrBob thanks for your reply it was very helpful, by the way the calibration you talked about, is it hard/expensive, does the warranty cover it?? can the user do some sort of calibration in order to get a good pq?? and what do you think of the viewing angle of this kind of sets?? thanks


Nothing can approach the sizzling end result of a fullservice, fullspectrum professional calibration, one which includes all the image structure work that CRT projection technology needs. Image structure work is NOT included in the typical ISF calibration.

My cals are fullservice/fullspectrum calibrations which INCLUDE ISF calibration. Yes there are things you can do yourself, but they pale in comparison to what 20 years of experience, on my part, can accomplish on your set if left to my devices.

I am available for paid phone consultation if you want to do it yourself and desire the proper guidance.

Send me an email and I will reply with my ready to go costs and services emailout. That goes for anyone reading this.


Mr Bob


PS - the viewing angle on today's CRT RPTVs is spectacular.
post #246 of 11733
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All that said, yes there are some things you can do to optimize viewing of your set, with or without calibration, which incidentally is not covered under any warranty I have ever seen.

However, I have performed calibrations under warranty on a couple of special occasions. More about that later.


Run your contrast at half for normal viewing, no higher. Max contrast, called Torch Mode, is deleterious to the health of your set and the efficacy of your picture. It blurs the focusing - called blooming - it pushes your grayscale out of linear operating range, on sets that don't have very good power supplies it tows the red and green images away from each other horizontally JUST on the brighter scenes, and it prematurely ages your phosphors. It also makes screenburn much more likely to happen, over time.

Run your color and tint for the best fleshtones, on an average of your channels. Redo it whenever necessary. ABC often sets up their HD programming with super hot color intensity, requiring that you reduce your color level. Where you run your contrast affects where your color level will land, and contrast affects brightness levels. Everything in there affects everything else, it's like a giant hanging mobile. Which is why the recentering part of a calibration is so important. It sets your centerpoints for all those things, so you will always have a reference to come back to. This reference point will be a direct replica of what was sent out from the director, and will be perfect for most video material, 99% of the time. One exception is Jay Leno's Tonight Show, where I always lower my brightness by 5 clicks (out of possible 63), maintaining the proper "clamping to black" that I desire in my viewing.

Remember that the blue isolation/filter test first originated in Joe Kane's A Video Standard laserdisc is ONLY good on LINEAR color decoding projectors. You can trust a ceiling pj to respond properly, but not a Mit RPTV, which has tons of red push. The blue isolation test is worthless on a red pushed scenario.

At that point fleshtones will get you your best pic, because it prioritizes them, which is the best way to achieve suspension of disbelief, which is the bottom line we are all trying to achieve. Only on a LINEAR color decoder will the color and tint be set perfectly via the blue isolation test, in which case fleshtones will then appear completely natural. Realigning color decoding is a strong, essential part of what I offer in my cals.

When you reduce or increase your color level, often you have to tweak your tint one way or the other to compensate. Calibrations reset your centerpoint on such things, but changing program material can always affect that.

Run your brightness settings to just be able to make out detail in dark areas, no higher. Significantly higher and you will fill in the dark areas too much, resulting in haze over everything. Brightness must be set on 2 different types of pic - one where there is darkness everywhere on the screen, the other where there are significantly bright areas of picture in some places, while at the same time there are dark areas as well. On superbright scenes where the entire screen is bright, altering the brightness control won't do much, so only set it with dark material up there.

Run your sharpness settings for just a little bit of edge enhancement, but not much. EE is great for DVs where you are sitting across the room from them, or RPTVs where you are again sitting very far away from them. The closer you want to sit from your RPTV, the less EE you are going to want, because EE blurs detail. Looks great from a distance, compromises your crispness when up close. On HD, my sharpness control on my Panny does nothing at all. It is completely disabled on HD, produces absolutely no visible changes whether max'd or min'd.

Sharpness bargraphs typically look best in the middle, because that's where they are typically most out of circuit. There's 2 types of sharpness - video detail softening on the left side, and edge enhancement on the right side. The first is for schlocky cable channels/signals that are weak and as such way too grainy, the second is edge enhancement. Middle is usually best, tho the newer Tosh's need to be more like 35% than their older settings of 50%.


Convergence is best done on a thin, medium light level grid, like AVIA's Letterbox Enhanced Circlehatch grid. Always do it on the actual picture you're watching ultimately, don't trust the crosshairs or any crosshatch grid from inside your set, as it is the actual picture you want to look best. Use those other things strictly for reference, but come back to the pic itself for the final pass.

Much of this, and more, is contained in the emailout I send to those who inquire about my services.


Mr Bob
post #247 of 11733
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Convergence is best done on a thin, medium light level grid, like AVIA's Letterbox Enhanced Circlehatch grid. Always do it on the actual picture you're watching ultimately, don't trust the crosshairs or any crosshatch grid from inside your set, as it is the actual picture you want to look best. Use those other things strictly for reference, but come back to the pic itself for the final pass.


Mr Bob

I agree with this approach. What IRE on the Avia crosshatch pattern do you think one should use? 50 IRE? 100 IRE? (assuming one is doing this in a dark room)

Also, can one use the basic Avia crosshatch pattern instead?
post #248 of 11733
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I agree with this approach. What IRE on the Avia crosshatch pattern do you think one should use? 50 IRE? 100 IRE? (assuming one is doing this in a dark room)


Sorry, meant to say that. 50IRE - it is by definition the halfway point. You want medium, average light levels for doing convergence.

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Also, can one use the basic Avia crosshatch pattern instead?

Yes, for convergence. The circlehatch is best for geometry/symmetry/overscan reduction. Either one's OK for being able to see the scanlines most accurately, for focusing.

DVD's 480i/p is best for focusing, not HD. HD makes the scanlines harder to see, and the scanlines themselves are what I use for focusing.

For overscan measurements and for the best edge parallelling, the Overscan pattern is best.


Mr Bob
post #249 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Sorry, meant to say that. 50IRE - it is by definition the halfway point. You want medium, average light levels for doing convergence.

With 100IRE, I can see the colors better since it's brighter. Drawbacks to doing using 100IRE for convergence?
post #250 of 11733
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

With 100IRE, I can see the colors better since it's brighter. Drawbacks to doing using 100IRE for convergence?

The drawback is the final converged lines are not accurate with real world video(which is not %100 brightness)
post #251 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Ballz2TheWallz View Post

The drawback is the final converged lines are not accurate with real world video(which is not %100 brightness)

Right. And that without perfect power supply feedback and stability, red and green get towed away from each other at strong light level scenes, then go back together afterwards, when you are back at average APL's.

Such as the sun on the lake scenes in On Golden Pond. On older sets, the red and green would separate massively on the sailboat's mast, since it was such a strong light level scene, then go back together afterwards.

Yes it's brighter, but at 100% contrast you also non-linearize your grayscale on bright passages, and cause blooming in your focusing on sets without perfect power supplies.


Mr Bob
post #252 of 11733
I agree with Mr Bob about CRT. My Toshiba 53" with variable raster hight adjustment for 16x9 has been a wonderful HD set for me for 6 years despite the heavy use.
What wouldbe the best way to clean its glass mirror. I tried but made it look worse. Thanks.
post #253 of 11733
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

With 100IRE, I can see the colors better since it's brighter.


Controlling room lighting is best for running your set at midcontrast rather than full up. That's how they do it in the movie theaters. Think how dim their images would be in daylight conditions, even with the arc lamp bulbs they use.

(Also used for arc welding...)


Mr Bob
post #254 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

Sorry, meant to say that. 50IRE - it is by definition the halfway point. You want medium, average light levels for doing convergence.

A handful of 50IRE lines on your screen is not going to give you an 'average' APL...not by a long shot. You are far better off using 100IRE lines, but that still won't be representative of an average picture level.

Convergence shifts with the APL and there's nothing you can do about that, so the best you can do is aim for the mid-point.
post #255 of 11733
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Originally Posted by CaspianM View Post

I agree with Mr Bob about CRT. My Toshiba 53" with variable raster hight adjustment for 16x9 has been a wonderful HD set for me for 6 years despite the heavy use.
What wouldbe the best way to clean its glass mirror. I tried but made it look worse. Thanks.


Never clean a mylar mirror.

For glass HDready front surface mirrors, never use one with ammonia, like regular Windex, as you would be mixing aluminum with ammonia.

Never use shop towels, only pure (wood fiber) regular paper towels.

Go over it over and over till it finally starts coming clean purely, using a fresh virgin set of paper towels each time, always scrunched up real good and discarding used ones immediately. Make sure you hands are clean, so you don't transfer finger/hand grease to the towels as you scrunch them up.

Observe the mirror from above the reflecting image, with a strong image reflecting off the mirror but not allowing it to hit your eyes. That way you can see the streaks well.

Usually it takes me 5 passes before I am satisfied.

Be patient. It may take awhile to get that mirror "so clean it seems to disappear". Which is the ultimate goal, as mirrors don't really belong there anyway, and in a perfect world would not need to be there at all.


Mr Bob
post #256 of 11733
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Originally Posted by JohnnyG View Post

A handful of 50IRE lines on your screen is not going to give you an 'average' APL...not by a long shot. You are far better off using 100IRE lines, but that still won't be representative of an average picture level.

Convergence shifts with the APL and there's nothing you can do about that, so the best you can do is aim for the mid-point.


If it does not give you an average APL, it surely gives you a more stock standard image to work from, which applies much more to real world images than internally gen'd 100IRE grids do. We both agree that aiming for the midpoint is the way to go.

I still recommend 50IRE over 100IRE. But I'll try 100IRE next time I do a cal. I may be wrong - have never used 100IRE, just didn't seem right.


Mr Bob
post #257 of 11733
Thanks Mr Bob for your mirror cleaning tips.
post #258 of 11733
Too bad they don't have 75 IRE patterns. Sounds like a good middle ground to use.
post #259 of 11733
Even with a 100IRE pattern, think of how much of the overall image is black...the vast majority of it. So how can the APL be even close to that of dimly lit image where all the pixels are glowing to some degree?

Now think of a needle pulse pattern...on a TV with a weaker power supply, as you turn up the Contrast control the needle lines will start to bend because the power supply loses it's linearity due to the high APL. On this same TV, you probably won't see the lines start to bend in any crosshatch pattern - even 100IRE - because the APL is just too low.
post #260 of 11733
Does anyone have this Older rear projection TV by Sony KDP57WS655. How does it look with HDTV and has it been reliable. Also how does Sony compare to Hitachi or Mitsubishi with regards to their old CRT (with the three guns in the back of the set) rear projection TV's. I'm trying to decide on a Hitachi 57F59 or this set. I Know this set is older, but I can get a great deal on it. Looking for advice since I'm not too familiar with this model and it's not being made anymore. I want whichever set will give me the best picture. I was hoping maybe Bob had some experience with this type of TV and he could tell be if the lens system and ability to tweak the TV set are very good when compared to other Manufacturers (Hitachi, Mits, Panasonic). Also this TV has been a sales floor as an open box for around a year so I'm worried about wear and tear and hope the guns won't be burn't out on it. I know these TV's can last long according to all of the people who own them in this thread...but I want to get something that is good. I can get the Sony for like $650....it was a $2,000 set at one time. Any insight would be much appreciated from all you aficianados.

Thanks,
post #261 of 11733
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Originally Posted by cc1995 View Post

Does anyone have this Older rear projection TV by Sony KDP57WS655. How does it look with HDTV and has it been reliable. Also how does Sony compare to Hitachi or Mitsubishi with regards to their old CRT (with the three guns in the back of the set) rear projection TV's. I'm trying to decide on a Hitachi 57F59 or this set. I Know this set is older, but I can get a great deal on it. Looking for advice since I'm not too familiar with this model and it's not being made anymore. I want whichever set will give me the best picture. I was hoping maybe Bob had some experience with this type of TV and he could tell be if the lens system and ability to tweak the TV set are very good when compared to other Manufacturers (Hitachi, Mits, Panasonic). Also this TV has been a sales floor as an open box for around a year so I'm worried about wear and tear and hope the guns won't be burn't out on it. I know these TV's can last long according to all of the people who own them in this thread...but I want to get something that is good. I can get the Sony for like $650....it was a $2,000 set at one time. Any insight would be much appreciated from all you aficianados.

Thanks,

Somebody help me here, but isn't that Sony a current model? Well, as of a few months ago. I almost picked one up. I believe the picture on it was superb.
post #262 of 11733
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Originally Posted by JohnnyG View Post

Even with a 100IRE pattern, think of how much of the overall image is black...the vast majority of it. So how can the APL be even close to that of dimly lit image where all the pixels are glowing to some degree?

Now think of a needle pulse pattern...on a TV with a weaker power supply, as you turn up the Contrast control the needle lines will start to bend because the power supply loses it's linearity due to the high APL. On this same TV, you probably won't see the lines start to bend in any crosshatch pattern - even 100IRE - because the APL is just too low.


I like your reasoning. Have you tried one against the other?

On Mits's, it shows both grids at the same time in sm - the internally gen'd one at balls to the wall 100IRE, and the sent-in AVIA one I mentioned, at 50IRE.

On that, even with all that material up there, you still have to choose between which lines to use, because optimizing the brighter set will de-optimize the dimmer set, and vice versa. Even with both light level sets of lines up there.

No one set of settings will make both sets of lines be crisp, one set will always have red edges on one side or the other of the vertical lines. You can get one set perfect at the expense of the other, or the other at the expense of the one. But both sets will never be perfect while on the same screen, together.


Mr Bob
post #263 of 11733
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Originally Posted by cc1995 View Post

Does anyone have this Older rear projection TV by Sony KDP57WS655. How does it look with HDTV and has it been reliable. Also how does Sony compare to Hitachi or Mitsubishi with regards to their old CRT (with the three guns in the back of the set) rear projection TV's. I'm trying to decide on a Hitachi 57F59 or this set. I Know this set is older, but I can get a great deal on it. Looking for advice since I'm not too familiar with this model and it's not being made anymore. I want whichever set will give me the best picture. I was hoping maybe Bob had some experience with this type of TV and he could tell be if the lens system and ability to tweak the TV set are very good when compared to other Manufacturers (Hitachi, Mits, Panasonic). Also this TV has been a sales floor as an open box for around a year so I'm worried about wear and tear and hope the guns won't be burn't out on it. I know these TV's can last long according to all of the people who own them in this thread...but I want to get something that is good. I can get the Sony for like $650....it was a $2,000 set at one time. Any insight would be much appreciated from all you aficianados.

Thanks,


Sony is one of the best, always has been. It is the only brand I trust to never need to worry about focus on, electrostatic OR optical, on new OOB sets.

If you can score a well treated 57" for $650, go for it! Make sure they have not Torch Moded it because it was a demo - inquire about hours and where they ran the Picture (contrast) settings all those hours - and put up an all white pattern to check for screenburn, doesn't matter what scanrate you use for the screenburn test.

If it passes those 2 tests, at $650 it's a dynamite buy, even used!


Mr Bob
post #264 of 11733
I just bought a RPTV - Hitachi 51F59A (my first RPTV) and so far I'm really disapointed in the PQ. I haven't had it hooked up for very long so perhaps it will get better. I have a 32 in Olevia LCD that looks a hell of a lot better to me than the Hitachi. Can't really afford calibration so I guess I'll have to try and teach myself if that's what it's going to take to make it look better.
post #265 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Coach Gibbs View Post

I just bought a RPTV - Hitachi 51F59A (my first RPTV) and so far I'm really disapointed in the PQ. I haven't had it hooked up for very long so perhaps it will get better. I have a 32 in Olevia LCD that looks a hell of a lot better to me than the Hitachi. Can't really afford calibration so I guess I'll have to try and teach myself if that's what it's going to take to make it look better.

What is the source? Need more detail. HD, SD, OTA, Cable, Component, HDMI, etc...
post #266 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Coach Gibbs View Post

I just bought a RPTV - Hitachi 51F59A (my first RPTV) and so far I'm really disapointed in the PQ. I haven't had it hooked up for very long so perhaps it will get better. I have a 32 in Olevia LCD that looks a hell of a lot better to me than the Hitachi. Can't really afford calibration so I guess I'll have to try and teach myself if that's what it's going to take to make it look better.


There is an extensive thread in this section that can coach you in optimizing your set. It could be off on its focuses, on its convergence, possibly its geometry as well.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=338096


Be sure to put the contrast at half rather than full as your first step, tho. Blooming of your focusing and separation of your convergence caused by overcontrasting your video won't do the same thing to a fixed pixel display, like your LCD. Colorations will be roughly similar between the 2 modalities, but pq structure between the 2 is like apples and oranges. One needs lots of careful setup, the other does not.

Relative size of your pic in terms of viewing distance vs. size of your display factors in too. A 5" TV viewed from 5' away will always APPEAR more detailed than a 55" RPTV viewed up close. But get close enough to the 5" that the relative viewed sizes are the same between the 2, and your eye will find vastly different results.

Mr Bob
post #267 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

What is the source? Need more detail. HD, SD, OTA, Cable, Component, HDMI, etc...

I very rarely watch any non HD. I have BEV, D* and OTA. All look lousy. Tried both HDMI and Component.

Component looks a bit better than HDMI.

Lacks any real color or detail, even shows on my DVR's that looked very good on my LCD look like crap on this one. I expected D* to look like crap but not everything.

I've tried adjusting the basic settings and will have to learn a bit more before I go into the service menu and such.
post #268 of 11733
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

There is an extensive thread in this section that can coach you in optimizing your set. It could be off on its focuses, on its convergence, possibly its geometry as well.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=338096


Be sure to put the contrast at half rather than full as your first step, tho. Blooming of your focusing and separation of your convergence caused by overcontrasting your video won't do the same thing to a fixed pixel display, like your LCD. Colorations will be roughly similar between the 2 modalities, but pq structure between the 2 is like apples and oranges. One needs lots of careful setup, the other does not.

Relative size of your pic in terms of viewing distance vs. size of your display factors in too. A 5" TV viewed from 5' away will always APPEAR more detailed than a 55" RPTV viewed up close. But get close enough to the 5" that the relative viewed sizes are the same between the 2, and your eye will find vastly different results.

Mr Bob

Thanks for the link, looks like I have lots of reading and learning to do.

I have the contrast set around 50 so at least I got that part right.
post #269 of 11733
I purchased a Pioneer Elite 710pro several years ago but never calibrated it. My question is... would it be worth calibrating this late? If so, is there a list of qualified technicians somewhere that I could find in the Southeast U.S.?
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I purchased a Pioneer Elite 710pro several years ago but never calibrated it. My question is... would it be worth calibrating this late? If so, is there a list of qualified technicians somewhere that I could find in the Southeast U.S.?


710's are DEFINITELY worth calibrating, it's not even at its halflife yet. There is an entire thread here in this section dedicated to repairs the x10 series commonly need.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ht=Pioneer+510

It's had more than 26,000 views and more than 500 replies, many of mine among them. Owners are incredibly dedicated to them.


Technicians? Never expect a repair tech to know anything about calibrations. Often they just make things worse. I and a just a small, select handful of other guys are the only ones I know who do both field repair and fullscale/fullservice calibrations on CRT based bigscreens. We are a rare breed indeed.

Same for ISF techs. Don't expect 99% of the ISF graduates listed on the ISF website to know anything about the image structure ops critical to CRT based bigscreens, either RPTV or FPTV. As far as calibrations go, they only know/are only taught the colorations aspects, from ISF.

For CRT RPTV technology, you gotta know it all if you want the best pic your set can do.


Qualified? I'm sure you can find info somewhere, but if you want to stay with the tried and true, fly me in. I fly out of OAK.


Mr Bob
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