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post #301 of 12298
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Do you have a surge protector? I still always make sure to keep my display turned off during a T-storm just in case.

Yes, I had two Brick Wall surge protectors, but in the event of a severe strike I don't think anything short of unplugging it will protect it. I also lost other tv's, a/c units, garage door openers, two amps, a pre-pro, a sub, and two directivos. That would have to be one heckuva surge protector.

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Originally Posted by Phantom Gremlin View Post

If the lightning strike so drastically altered your TV's picture, then you don't know what other hidden damage there could be. Your TV may be barely hanging on. Why pay for calibration under those circumstances?

Good point. It really amazes me that it could throw off the guns and zotz an input but not affect the power supply. It will make a good tv for the kids in the basement until it quits.
post #302 of 12298
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

But Joe Sixpack outnumbers the videophile probably 20 to 1, minimum.

I would say more like 10,000 to 1

Take your CRT (or any TV) to the next level:
Just add a Lumagen VisionDVI/HDP/HDQ to a CRT RPTV and you have it all. You can calibrate the TV to optimal overscan (best possible geometry, focus and convergence), then reduce the image size in the Lumagen and achieve a near 0% overscan. I just connected one to my Mits 65813 and it corrects many sins of the TV. I now have day/night modes, 4:3 SD input with 100% of the picture at near 0% overscan (eliminated the excessive picture loss from the factory side bars)
post #303 of 12298
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Originally Posted by GlenC View Post

I would say more like 10,000 to 1

Take your CRT (or any TV) to the next level:
Just add a Lumagen VisionDVI/HDP/HDQ to a CRT RPTV and you have it all. You can calibrate the TV to optimal overscan (best possible geometry, focus and convergence), then reduce the image size in the Lumagen and achieve a near 0% overscan. I just connected one to my Mits 65813 and it corrects many sins of the TV. I now have day/night modes, 4:3 SD input with 100% of the picture at near 0% overscan (eliminated the excessive picture loss from the factory side bars)


Well, I am intrigued. I went to their website and see 4 different processors. Which one do you have? Would this have to be set up/calibrated by a pro?

I have the same Mits as you. Can you be more specific about the noticable improvements?

It's been months since I spent more money than I should on home audio/video. My wife is worried so I need to drop a thou or two so she stops worring and resumes hitting me with a frying pan.

Thanks In Advance,


Sals
post #304 of 12298
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Originally Posted by salspalden View Post

Well, I am intrigued. I went to their website and see 4 different processors. Which one do you have? Would this have to be set up/calibrated by a pro?

I have the same Mits as you. Can you be more specific about the noticable improvements?

It's been months since I spent more money than I should on home audio/video. My wife is worried so I need to drop a thou or two so she stops worring and resumes hitting me with a frying pan.

I have the HDQ for my system, I also stock a DVI and HDP to sell to calibration customers. The HDQ is recommended if you have S-video and/or Composite sources (SD cable/sat, VCR, Laser disc, etc). It adds a 3D comb filter for S-video and Composite inputs. The HDP has a larger processor than the DVI and will output 1080p.

There are so many things improved:
Currently every thing is going 1080i via DVI.
Overscan adjustment and image centering for every input device
4 complete memories for every input (Day/Night modes, etc.)
Greatly improved picture quality from S-Video SD TiVo.
Color decoder adjustments for each input.
New 2/5/11 point Grayscale adjustments a "per-input-memory" calibration, including luminance control to adjust/correct gamma. (advanced ISF service menu)
Y/C Delay adjustment
And there is more.
I haven't had this nearly long enough to reap a,ll of its potential, there is just so much that can be done.

This is really everything you wanted in a TV and more. I always went into the bedroom to watch SD TiVo on a 15-year old Sony 27 CRT. Now I enjoy watching it on the Mits. And I have the full picture.

Lumagen only sells through qualified dealers/installers, they want to be sure the consumer gets the full benefit of their product. Dealers are supposed to sell in a geographical area they can service/support and provide calibration.
post #305 of 12298
Due to an upcoming move I'll be selling my Pioneer Elite 630HD (58") RPTV. It still has two years left on the extended warranty and is in excellent condition. Any idea what one of these might be worth? I sold my last Sony RPTV on E-Bay and the guy came from the L.A. area to pick it up. I figured I would list this on E-Bay also if word of mouth doesn't sell it but wasn't sure of the asking price or reserve price to list.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Jim
post #306 of 12298
Excellent thread. Last week I saw the Sony A2000, which is the strongest contenter to replace my Pioneer Elite - but only after it dies completely. The picture is still more film-like than the newer TVs.
post #307 of 12298
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Originally Posted by mbaxter View Post

Coach Gibbs: That's not something you'd normally see on a set fresh from the factory, and you shouldn't have to put up with it. I'd recommed you get the set exchanged while you're still within your 30 day period. The consensus is that these F59 models are generally well-built; chances are your replacement will have no geometry problems.

And yes, with proper video settings, a few easy service menu tweaks, and the 117pt convergence, you will get a picture quality that truly does surpass the other rear projection technologies, and without having to put up with the dreaded "Silk Screen Effect".

There is no better bang for your dollar out there. I was also dubious about CRT rear projection; my local Circuit City had a noisy feed going to their 51F59 display unit, with visible static and horizontal line noise all over the place. Meanwhile their other sets, miraculously, were all getting clean signals via component or HDMI. I had to bring my laptop and a DVI-to-HDMI cable to the store in order to get some idea of what the set was actually capable of. Man, if they had their store unit looking as nice as the one sitting in my living room, they'd have a hard time selling anything else!

Well they replaced the set today and guess what? Same exact bend out in the bottom right hand corner. Anything else that could be causing this? All my speakers are shielded and I moved the sub away from the set. I have a multiswitch for BEV inside about 7 feet from it that would suck to move, could that interfere?

Delievery guy hit the auto focus like 2 minutes after it was turned on too, not sure that was a good thing. I guess I should have kept the other TV since the same issue exists and the case on the replacement is a little rougher looking than the 1st one.
post #308 of 12298
I was seriously considering selling my Toshiba 65H83 for $1500.00. I've got it all tweaked out and it looks fantastic. Basically I was going to put that money towards the new Toshiba 72" DLP or the Sony A2000 60" SXRD. Both look really great. Both are also about $4,000.00.

I bought my 65H83 for $2500.00 2 1/2 years ago including delivery and a 3 year warrenty.

I've got the e-focus, m-focus and convergence pretty much spot-on and it looks phenominal. I feel really stupid for even considering selling it, but it is an itch I want to scratch. Last night I rewatched The Bourne Supremacy on HD DVD and actually said out loud. "What the hell is wrong with me? This looks fantastic!"
post #309 of 12298
I also want to say that one of the reasons I upgraded to the Toshiba from my old Panny 47" was the "Touch Focus" that I thought would free me from convergence forever. It's a scam. You STILL have to adjust it all by hand. The TF button is sort of a place holder to which you can save your adjustments. It doesn't work very good though and you will have to continually readjust convergence.
post #310 of 12298
These CRT RPTV's seem to be a perfect solution to use while waiting for the new tech to get better. Ive been looking for a set to maximize my xbox 360 enjoyment. I have a 26"samsung (LN-S2651D), which is great except for shadow/dark scenes. (I cant even play splinter cell).
Does anyone happen to know if the Mistu Diamond series CRT RPTV's are even available anywhere?
I cant find it online or locally. I did find the 55-517, but it seems the only ones to have the 9" CRT's were the 65" & up Diamonds?
To top it off, the friggin Hitachi's came off sale yesterday, so now if i want one, i get to pay a hundred bucks more....
post #311 of 12298
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Originally Posted by watsonusn View Post

To top it off, the friggin Hitachi's came off sale yesterday, so now if i want one, i get to pay a hundred bucks more....

CC still has the 65" on sale and as of a few minutes ago there is a coupon code for more off.
post #312 of 12298
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Originally Posted by watsonusn View Post

These CRT RPTV's seem to be a perfect solution to use while waiting for the new tech to get better. Ive been looking for a set to maximize my xbox 360 enjoyment.

I got the impression that RP CRT and video gaming didn't mix. Isn't burn in a big issue here?
post #313 of 12298
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Originally Posted by Atari View Post

I got the impression that RP CRT and video gaming didn't mix. Isn't burn in a big issue here?

If used excessively, yes. Just be sure to "mix" up your viewing enough.

Also, be sure the contrast level isn't cranked too high.

Constant image + high contrast = greatest chance for burn-in.
post #314 of 12298
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Originally Posted by Atari View Post

I got the impression that RP CRT and video gaming didn't mix. Isn't burn in a big issue here?

The more hours on the TV, your chances of image burn go down too.
post #315 of 12298
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Originally Posted by watsonusn View Post

These CRT RPTV's seem to be a perfect solution to use while waiting for the new tech to get better. Ive been looking for a set to maximize my xbox 360 enjoyment. I have a 26"samsung (LN-S2651D), which is great except for shadow/dark scenes. (I cant even play splinter cell).
Does anyone happen to know if the Mistu Diamond series CRT RPTV's are even available anywhere?
I cant find it online or locally. I did find the 55-517, but it seems the only ones to have the 9" CRT's were the 65" & up Diamonds?
To top it off, the friggin Hitachi's came off sale yesterday, so now if i want one, i get to pay a hundred bucks more....

I just picked up the Hitachi 65F59 at a local store, told them I had a debit card problem ordering via phone last saturday when the deal was 1424 - 150 with free delivery They gave me everything but the delivery free. They give you 10% off if you order via phone and most stores will honor that as well if you tell them.

Your absolutely right about the CRTs being a great option to wait for the sweet spot, I shopped for 2 weeks and only saw the Hitachi and Mits with offers 65"+. The mits was a bit too high priced considering this is a wait tool and eventually bedroom TV.

As far as burn in, I haven't really had a problem with it and have been using a 61" SD CRT with my PC for 6 years, you just don't leave a high contrast static image on the screen for a day or two.
post #316 of 12298
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Originally Posted by Coach Gibbs View Post

Well they replaced the set today and guess what? Same exact bend out in the bottom right hand corner. Anything else that could be causing this? All my speakers are shielded and I moved the sub away from the set. I have a multiswitch for BEV inside about 7 feet from it that would suck to move, could that interfere?

Delievery guy hit the auto focus like 2 minutes after it was turned on too, not sure that was a good thing. I guess I should have kept the other TV since the same issue exists and the case on the replacement is a little rougher looking than the 1st one.

Are you sure they actually replaced it??? Reminds me of that commercial where the guy turns down the first deal and throws it in the trash stating he never takes the first deal. The salesman takes it out of the trash and gives it back to him and he says.. GREAT..lol. That's real suspicious... i'd ask for another and state same issue.
post #317 of 12298
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Originally Posted by Mmcguire View Post

Are you sure they actually replaced it??? Reminds me of that commercial where the guy turns down the first deal and throws it in the trash stating he never takes the first deal. The salesman takes it out of the trash and gives it back to him and he says.. GREAT..lol. That's real suspicious... i'd ask for another and state same issue.

Yeah they replaced it. I have no idea what the deal is. Now I can see a small blue line on the top right hand corner that increases in size as it gets closer to the corner. Almost like everything in the right hand side in pulling down(though the bottom of the screen seems fine). This only happens on the HDMI input.

The PQ on this set is much better than the 1st one but the blue line is going to be an issue. I don't believe they will replace the set again as I'm past my original 30 days, which they said doesn't restart when I got the 2nd set. Maybe I'll call Hitachi if no one has any ideas, but getting the closest tech to come here will be difficult considering that he's over 2 hours away.
post #318 of 12298
Sorry, Am getting rid of my 50H81 as space is an issue now.
post #319 of 12298
interesting thread, but ...

the only CRT RPTV i've been able to find is the hitachi. with the same feed at CC and Sears, the PQ is way, way worse than the DLP sets. what am i missing?
post #320 of 12298
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Originally Posted by tm3 View Post

interesting thread, but ...

the only CRT RPTV i've been able to find is the hitachi. with the same feed at CC and Sears, the PQ is way, way worse than the DLP sets. what am i missing?


CRT's in the stores look horrible, mostly by design so you buy that pricey DLP/LCD/Plasma. Normally stores don't give the CRT's a decent signal feed nor is the lighting proper to see the full effect of the PQ.

Store tends to make more money selling a $3k+ set vs that large sub (which is larger, better PQ, less upkeep(no blubs) , but also more bulky) $1.5K Crt-rp thus they dont take the time to set them up correctly.
post #321 of 12298
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Originally Posted by tm3 View Post

interesting thread, but ...

the only CRT RPTV i've been able to find is the hitachi. with the same feed at CC and Sears, the PQ is way, way worse than the DLP sets. what am i missing?

You're missing a properly set up CRT RPTV. There are several threads here on the F59 models, some with excellent screen shots of SD, HD, and Xbox360 game shots.

Unlike the newer displays, CRTs take some setup to get it right. The stores do NOT spend the time to do this. In reality, ALL displays need some setting up when you get them. The out of the box settings are usually set too high. None of them have calibrated greyscale.

Try this thread:CRT Ain't Dead!
post #322 of 12298
good point about trying to sell the higher priced technology. for the answer, follow the money.

i really like the idea of best bang for the buck, especially with the technology evolving as rapidly as it is. it is a tough sell, however. my wife doesn't like the "silver box" look of the Hitachis, and she isn't convinced about the PQ potential ("just look at them -- the Hitachi looks terrible compared to the DLP"). i must say it would also be a leap of faith for me.

thanks for answering and posting the link to the other thread.
post #323 of 12298
If you're set on buying the newer technology, then I'd suggest a nice 1080p Plasma or Sony SXRD TV over LED or DLP. I believe there are several manufacturers that make them with a black frame now. Of course, how large of a TV are you planning on getting?
post #324 of 12298
well, i'd like 70" or as close to it as i can get. the problem is the vendors in my area (sams, BB, CC) are stuck with last year's models, plus the 65" mits is the largest screen available. who knows when/if the new mits or any 70" models will be available out here in the sticks? this is one reason that an "intermediate step" of a CRT at much lower price has some appeal.

i agree the sonys have a great pic, but i'm concerned about the green screen issues (local BB has one on display with the green blob), so i may settle for a 61" samsung DLP.

thanks again for answering my questions.
post #325 of 12298
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Originally Posted by GlenC View Post

The more hours on the TV, your chances of image burn go down too.

This statement goes against everyones thinking of don't buy a used crt because of the greater risk of burn in because you don't know how used the tv is. If the chances of image burn in go down then it would make more sense to buy a broken in tv than a new one.

Seems like it should be the other way around though.
post #326 of 12298
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Originally Posted by tm3 View Post

well, i'd like 70" or as close to it as i can get. the problem is the vendors in my area (sams, BB, CC) are stuck with last year's models, plus the 65" mits is the largest screen available. who knows when/if the new mits or any 70" models will be available out here in the sticks? this is one reason that an "intermediate step" of a CRT at much lower price has some appeal.

i agree the sonys have a great pic, but i'm concerned about the green screen issues (local BB has one on display with the green blob), so i may settle for a 61" samsung DLP.

thanks again for answering my questions.

I just saw a commerical about a new 70" plasma that's coming out, though I can't recall the manufacturer. I would guess the sticker shock would be high! As far as the green glob, that's one reason why you want the extended warranty! Just as long as you've viewed the DLPs, and aren't affected by the rainbow effect. Those 6 color colorwheel versions that Mits makes now seem interesting for sure.


You're welcome. Good hunting!
post #327 of 12298
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Originally Posted by sunwaterpool View Post

This statement goes against everyones thinking of don't buy a used crt because of the greater risk of burn in because you don't know how used the tv is. If the chances of image burn in go down then it would make more sense to buy a broken in tv than a new one.

Seems like it should be the other way around though.

The caution in buying a used CRT is getting one that already has an image burned into it. A CRT that has been properly used with no image burn, becomes more resistant to image burn with time. Depending on the amount of excitement, virgin phosphor will wear in the initial 100-500 hours of use as much or more than it will in the next 5000 hours or so.
post #328 of 12298
I have a Hitachi 65f59 CRT RPTV. I currently have a JVC XV F80BK progressive scan DVD player connected to it thru component video cable and the picture quality is good. My DVD player is 4 years old and the TV has a built in scaler/deinterlacer which could be better than the JVC's because it is newer. Does anybody know that will the TV accept a 540P signal thru the HDMI? Because I plan to buy the Oppo 971 upconverting DVD player hoping that it would improve the picture quality further. Also which is the best way to connect a CRT RPTV to a DVD player, component video or HDMI? I came to know that, it is best to feed the TV it's native resolution signal, which case is 540P or 1080I. Is this true?

Please give me an advice.
Thankfully
Mechanon
post #329 of 12298
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Originally Posted by Mechanon View Post

I have a Hitachi 65f59 CRT RPTV. I currently have a JVC XV F80BK progressive scan DVD player connected to it thru component video cable and the picture quality is very good. My DVD player is 4 years old and the TV has a built in scaler/deinterlacer which could be better than the JVC's because it is newer. How do I find out that which deinterlacer is better? Does anybody know that will the TV accept a 540P signal thru the HDMI? Because I plan to buy the Oppo 971 upconverting DVD player hoping that it would improve the picture quality further. Also which is the best way to connect a CRT RPTV to a DVD player, component video or HDMI? I came to know that it is best to feed the TV it's native resolution signal, which case is 540P or 1080I. Is this true?

Please give me an advice.
Thankfully
Mechanon

Any TV that will accept 1080i will accept 540p, the TV cannot tell the difference.
post #330 of 12298
Can the Hitachi 65F59A and 65F710A actually resolve 1080 lines individually even though they are interlaced ?



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