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Monster Signature 3250/2250 power amps rule!!

post #1 of 416
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Guys

I am going to start a thread talking about one of the best bargains that has come along in HT recently IMHO

the Monster Signature 3250/2250 amps

Monster trashers can go elsewhere, be warned

I recieved my 3250 Monster Signature amp today OMG!! this thing friggin rocks

previously I had in my setup, the ATI 1500 series amps, well built amps be any stretch, made in USA, sad to see them go but rack space in my small room is a hard matter to cope with

I am tired right now going to bed, but I will be giving a full review of this amp and maybe some pics later tonight or early in the morning

quickly...

I am not kidding when I say these Amps are most friggin amazing sounding amps I have ever heard, the detail and dynamics and clean power is so unreal

I popped in the I Robot DVD, check out the opening credits, I watched this scene many times listening to my ATI amps, the Monsters kill them in detail, not even close

I heard stuff that I never even came close to hearing before from the ATI's, this is some top notch movie soundtrack dynamics

my Atlantic Tech THX Ultra's never had such tight low to mid bass

each channel has a toroidal bigger then the best receivers, massive heatsinking, a power cord is included that is as big as a garden hose, no joke!! no internal fans either

and remember the Monsters are MOSFET, the previous ATI's of mine were Bipolar

Guys I am just amazed at these amps, I think they are hidden gems

I suggest snatching one up at these bargain prices on ebay or from AC4L, I will be getting a 2nd one in the next few weeks

more to follow... I am just floored right now with the sound quality of these amps, I just can't say enough

-Gary
post #2 of 416
Gary, thats great! seems to be a lot of buzz about these amps.


I have been considering a parasound halo a51 has anyone listened to both of these amps? I am looking on audiogon so they are the same price as a 2 and a 3 channel monster roughly.

whats up with the huge price drop with the monster amps? or was that planned from the beginning
post #3 of 416
Thanks Gary. Mine just touched down in Phoenix, and expected to be delivered on Monday. I thought about buying the 2250 also, but my surrounds are small 6 1/2 inch in ceiling, so it would be overkill.

Soooo Glad you like it. Now I'm getting excited
post #4 of 416
I thought ATI makes the Monster amps. They make OEM amps to spec. for a lot of companies including Outlaw.

Dan
post #5 of 416
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Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

Gary, thats great! seems to be a lot of buzz about these amps.


I have been considering a parasound halo a51 has anyone listened to both of these amps? I am looking on audiogon so they are the same price as a 2 and a 3 channel monster roughly.

whats up with the huge price drop with the monster amps? or was that planned from the beginning

You have no warranty with either brand. I would rely on Parasound. Monster is Monster.
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

I thought ATI makes the Monster amps. They make OEM amps to spec. for a lot of companies including Outlaw.

Dan

No they don't. There was a somewhat close race for which would be a Monster amp though. The other competing brand is also available on the market.
post #7 of 416
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Monster Amps are made by Richard Marsh's group over in Malaysia, I am 99% certain of that

he did design them also so it would make sense

the inside layouts and even the way things are laid out on the back panel is identical to the Marsh amps if you look at them

if this is what Marsh amps sound like then I am a big fan indeed

I am amazed at this amp and can't wait to get my 2nd one

anyone who is throwing these Monsters aside because they are "Monster" is doing the amp world a huge disservice, these are some quality amps and the sound beats anything I have ever heard including my previous ATI

the retail on this sucker was 3000$, IMHO Monster has too high a mark-up, so lets say they are worth 2000$ retail, still a amazing bargain at 925$ shipped

the inside of these amps shows were your 3000$ retail price went too, they are built like tanks, massive heatsinks, amazing quality binding posts, big juicy capacitors and 1 toroidal for each channel that dwarfs most receivers

amazing dynamics without a hint of harshness, amazingly sharp and detailed yet not overly so

the Monsters claim construction for the newest DVD-A/SACD formats with high bandwidth, boy you can sure hear that in this amp, you can hear every small flaws in anything you listen too

I am a big Hans Zimmer fan, I was listening to my CD of "The Last Samurai" you can hear slight engineering and sound quality flaws in some of the tracks on this CD, I made it a point to listen to the same CD on my previous ATI's, the Monsters are much more revealing

I love them! except the
fact that something almost popped in my nethers when hoisting this bad boy in my rack , 92 pounds for 3 channels, that I like

the monsters put some heat out the top vents, much more than my ATI's with external heatsinks, do not put them in a closed rack or shelf that blocks the top, I have mine in the open on my top shelf

any questions shoot, I will be adding more thoughts on these amps as I go, I like what I hear and I am a big fan

BTW Audio, WTF are you talking about?, these monster amps have 2 year warranty, you can read up on how good monster is with handling warranty issues

they are only cheap because they have cosmetic dings and scraps

-Gary
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just to update everyone on this, the left channel of my new favorite piece of gear just **** the bed, totally smoked, dead it happened upon power-up late last night

these amps may sound worlds better than my made in the USA ATI's, but I bet the ATI's wouldn't have went belly up

time to see how good that Monster Warranty is

boy, I just have the best of luck

-Gary
post #9 of 416
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

just to update everyone on this, the left channel of my new favorite piece of gear just **** the bed, totally smoked, dead it happened upon power-up late last night

these amps may sound worlds better than my made in the USA ATI's, but I bet the ATI's wouldn't have went belly up

time to see how good that Monster Warranty is

boy, I just have the best of luck

-Gary

Gary,

Hope you purchased through an authorized dealer...
post #10 of 416
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Dealer said no problem at all, full warranty thru Monster, these were said to be brand new with full 2 years

-Gary
post #11 of 416
3 days and it's dead? Quality stuff!
post #12 of 416
Boycott Monster...
post #13 of 416
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after hearing these Amps I am doing the exact opposite to boycotting Monster, nothing has ever touched these babies in my setup

that schtick is getting old dude, Monster makes good stuff on average, their prices, practises and selling methods may be crude, but their products and most certainly customer service are top notch

I am proud to own these amazing amps

I always get DOA stuff, my list is a mile long, no company makes 100% perfect working items with no lemons, that is impossible, I have had the best of the best fail on me

-Gary
post #14 of 416
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I always get DOA stuff

According to your first post, it was working, not DOA.....poor manufacturing, over priced.
post #15 of 416
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actually I think it was acting up from opening of the box, I just didn't notice it until it crapped out

poor manufacturing cannot equal the sound quality you get from this unit, that does not compute, it smokes all Amps I have heard including ATI's and that is no easy task

these are made by Marsh Designs, not what I would call junk

I see where this thread is going, same place that everyone else who has tried to start a thread on these amps, has went

those of us that have and enjoy them don't care

peace out!

-Gary
post #16 of 416
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Originally Posted by Targus View Post

According to your first post, it was working, not DOA.....poor manufacturing, over priced.

A 250 watt three channel amp for $925.00 is overpriced are you serious? Monster might not be my choice but I would say that is very good price. So it seems you are familiar with this amps manufacturing process, what do you base that on, have you even heard it?

If this amp had any other name than Monster people would be singing its praises. I have seen other posts of some very well regarded companies that have had issues with their components (Arcam comes to mind), it happens to all companies.

Bill
post #17 of 416
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

just to update everyone on this, the left channel of my new favorite piece of gear just **** the bed, totally smoked, dead it happened upon power-up late last night

these amps may sound worlds better than my made in the USA ATI's, but I bet the ATI's wouldn't have went belly up

time to see how good that Monster Warranty is

boy, I just have the best of luck

-Gary

Gary:

I think that the Monster amps that appear on Ebay are refurbs. And whichever subcontractor Monster uses does a lousy job of reconditioning an otherwise great product. I received an amp through the same channels, inner and outer box untouched and in perfect condition, and yet the amp inside had a snapped-off "balanced/unbalanced" switch for the center channel. Monster is aware of these issues and they replaced my amp for FREE. PM me if you need any contact info. Regards,

John
post #18 of 416
Wow ... a lot of Monster hate here.


Every once in a while, the sun shines on a dog's ass . Seriously, I've read nothing but praise regarding the sound quality of these amps.
post #19 of 416
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Originally Posted by John Robert View Post

Gary:

I think that the Monster amps that appear on Ebay are refurbs. And whichever subcontractor Monster uses does a lousy job of reconditioning an otherwise great product. I received an amp through the same channels, inner and outer box untouched and in perfect condition, and yet the amp inside had a snapped-off "balanced/unbalanced" switch for the center channel. Monster is aware of these issues and they replaced my amp for FREE. PM me if you need any contact info. Regards,

John

This is the type of post I would like to see if I had the same problem Gary has. Not one rubbing it in that I bought an overpriced inferior product. My hats off to you John for offering to help instead gloating in someones misfortune.

Bill
post #20 of 416
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

This is the type of post I would like to see if I had the same problem Gary has. Not one rubbing it in that I bought an overpriced inferior product. My hats off to you John for offering to help instead gloating in someones misfortune.

Bill

If I didn't know you better ...
post #21 of 416
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

just to update everyone on this, the left channel of my new favorite piece of gear just **** the bed, totally smoked, dead

The one I bought did the same thing within a couple of weeks, complete with flames.

The seller was able to get Monster to send me a new one, shipped express, within 3 days, no questions asked, without even having received back the blown one from me; Monster snail-mailed me a shipping label for the return.

The replacement is still sitting, untouched, in the box. I do plan to use it, eventually, when I have a more stable situation, house-wise (long story; don't ask).

In all honesty, though, I thought it was a little bit brutish. Probably great for HT, but it lacked the finesse my 2-channel ROTEL RB-1080 has with music.
post #22 of 416
Well the one I just bought from AC4L just showed up. Gary I wish you the best of luck getting replaced, I am crossing my fingers mine does not have issues.
post #23 of 416
I have this amp and so does 2 of my friends. No problems at all and the best amps we`ve heard so far also. Gary I hope u`r up in running in no time. Let us know how u`r making out. Also the new pic of u is much better!!! I too get a kick out of these Monster haters when they haven`t even heard it. I agree Monster can be overpriced but they do make good stuff. This unit weighs over 90lbs for a 3 channel amp and their isnt any bricks in there!!!! Highly recommended!!!!
post #24 of 416
Well it is late, but I decided to do a fast hookup. Since I am still waiting for my 3 cables from Heartland Cables, I disconnected 3 rca's from the DVD Audio (since it is never used anyway) and went to town. God Damm that power cord is big. I am not a audiophile in the sense that I can hear the difference when swapping power cords, speaker wire and interconnects. But I do come from a musical background playing in the concert, jazz, and marching bands through High School. What I noticed was how clean the sound coming from my speakers was. My Pioneer Elite VSX-53tx, was no slouch, but it was different in a good way. I just put the receiver on direct, turned off the sub and went good ole 2ch audio. My Studio 60's woke up. I had to check to see if the sub was on. Once I am closer to the weekend, I will get it setup into my rack, and calibrate, but after hearing about the issues, figured I'd give it a few days just to be safe.
post #25 of 416
I bought my 2250 on the last day or two of the Good Guys Liquidation sale for
$650 :-) Great amp - saving it for a two channel system down the road...
post #26 of 416
I don't mean to hijack your thread Gary, but since we are comparing the Monster Sig. 3250 to other Amps, maybe somebody with experience with both could give me their thoughts.

I have the opportunity to buy either the Monster 3250 or a Bryston 3B-st for about the same $. I know they don't compare channel or rated amps wise, but for pure 2 channel sound quality which would you choose?

my speakers are paradigm studio 40's btw
post #27 of 416
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

The one I bought did the same thing within a couple of weeks, complete with flames.

The seller was able to get Monster to send me a new one, shipped express, within 3 days, no questions asked, without even having received back the blown one from me; Monster snail-mailed me a shipping label for the return.

The replacement is still sitting, untouched, in the box. I do plan to use it, eventually, when I have a more stable situation, house-wise (long story; don't ask).

In all honesty, though, I thought it was a little bit brutish. Probably great for HT, but it lacked the finesse my 2-channel ROTEL RB-1080 has with music.

thanks for the comments guys, appreciate that we salvaged this thread, I have full faith in monster now and basically did before

Siv how the heck did you get that deal setup?

I didn't manage to get in contact with Monster yesterday, but will today

if folks would listen to this amp instead of looking at the name then Monster would have sold a million of these, the sound is unreal, everyone that owns one has said this

my guess is that these were a failure for Monster thus the blow-out, which is a true shame, these amps are beasts, massive toroidal for each channel and unreal detailed dynamics and excellent signal chains I might add

I think it would take some serious dough to top these Monsters

Robert that is not a hijack, the 2 posts above towards the top are Hijacks/attempted craps

the Monsters brutally show flaws in all your source material, SACD/DVDA is mind blowingly good, CD's don't sound too hot after sitting down with that for a while, for the deals on the Monsters with warranty, they cannot be beat, just be prepared to hear your stuff the way it is, flaws and all, when your source is designed well in the sound area of things, like the movie "I Robot", then these amps treat you with something special and vice versa

-Gary
post #28 of 416
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

after hearing these Amps I am doing the exact opposite to boycotting Monster, nothing has ever touched these babies in my setup

that schtick is getting old dude, Monster makes good stuff on average, their prices, practises and selling methods may be crude, but their products and most certainly customer service are top notch

I am proud to own these amazing amps

I always get DOA stuff, my list is a mile long, no company makes 100% perfect working items with no lemons, that is impossible, I have had the best of the best fail on me

-Gary

Monster is an evil company...

...they are thugs; bullies who pick on the little guy.

That's the number one reason why you shouldn't support them...

All these posts/threads stating that their Monster amp/power center is dead (right after they have purchased it and/or the lack of customer service they received), makes me want to avoid their products even more.

I have even seen threads here where their power products failed to do what they claim...

I'm still waiting for a confirmation on what size their speaker wire is (it's not listed on the spool; it's like, they are hiding something).
post #29 of 416
I wonder if we could just have people that own this amp or are curious just post. Leave the Monster haters out as we`d like to have a discussion on the pure sonic abilities of this fine piece of equipment. If u wanna have a monster bashing thread then start one or find one!!!!! PLEASE
post #30 of 416
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Originally Posted by scottcorn View Post

I wonder if we could just have people that own this amp or are curious just post. Leave the Monster haters out as we`d like to have a discussion on the pure sonic abilities of this fine piece of equipment. If u wanna have a monster bashing thread then start one or find one!!!!! PLEASE

bingo, quit pooping on our party

lack of customer service school? WTF? have you not been reading these threads? Monster is known everywhere for some of the best customer service around, they can afford to take care of their peeps because of their slightly high prices, I have no problem with that

usually I am upset over something like this happening, not with this amp, for the money spent, it cannot be beat

-Gary
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