The new VSX-1016TXV - Page 3

but it sure sounds like the same exact benefit that having multiple video, S-video and component video input switching provides.

If you connect a composite input to the 1016 does the 1016 put it on the HDMI out?

HDMI in this box does digital switching, not analogue. You can up-convert composite to component.

In other words, its not the same in that regard as the 1015.

Actually, up-converting to component in the 1016 works exactly the same as the 1015.

upconverting via component works the same....

Yes I understand.

This is the statement that I was wondering about as it was made regarding HDMI...


"...but it sure sounds like the same exact benefit that having multiple video, S-video and component video input switching provides."


HDMI as implemented on the 1016 does not provide the same exact benefit as the video aspects of the 1015. The HDMI as already stated is a simple pass through kinda thing.


Jim

As already mentioned, I was referring to the switching capabilities...not the up-converting. The HDMI switching works the same as you'd expect in composite/s-vid/component switching.

HDMI carries audio/video, so why on the earth, pioneer made it to switch video only, not audio /video? most out board switchers switch both?

The manual did state that it will carry both audio and video throught the HDMI output. However, it will not process that audio signal embedded in that HDMI connection. That's why it is neccessary to make seperate audio connection.

"The HDMI switching works the same as you'd expect in composite/s-vid/component switching."

Sorry but that's not the way I'd expect it to do so. And why I call it simple pass through and not a switch. I expect a switch to send to the TV whatever source I have selected so I don't have to change the input settings on the TV. And that is infact the way the 1015 works. No matter what the source is it will send the output to the TV via ONE choice so I don't have to change any settings on the TV.

The HDMI does not work as I expect a switch to work. It is simple pass through for a very limited choice of sources.

If when using the 1016 I have to keep switching input settings on the TV, then why use the 1016 at all for any video?

Jim

It does switch both! But it will not process either one in any way internally in the receiver for sound or video. It's only a passthrough switcher, that only operates just like a outboard switcher does. You have been told this countless times now.

That is exactly how a switch should work! The fact that you want/expect it to do more than just switch, does not at all change the fact that it IS operating properly as a switch. If you also want upconversion/transcoding from every other type of input source to HDMI, then you also want a lot more than just a HDMI switching AVR.

How does the JVC RX-D411S/412B ...

110 watts x 7 channel receiver
Hybrid feedback digital amplifier version III
Center Channel Alignment
Dual HDMI input
HDMI output with video up-conversion
Dual Component input
Component video output with video up-conversion
XM Satellite Radio ready
Sirius Satellite Radio remote control and input*
Precise Surround Set-up
USB PC link
CC Converter- Provides the best possible sound quality when playing compressed music files.
Available: July
Approximate Retail Price: $500

... compare, from your point of view?

I am not looking for UPSCALE/TRANSCODE , only I am looking is that if I can hook my HDTIVO, HDDDVD PLAYER via HDMI to this reciever, then HDMI out to my TV should be sufficient for video and reciever should give me DTS/DD sound via my speakers? and again I do not quite well understand that what is advantage of upgrading from 1016 to 80TXV elite, besides cosmetics/warranty?

I was all excited when I heard about this new receiver and HDMI. After reading posts here and looking at page 42 of the owner's manual I am upset that HDMI audio is not supported by this unit. It is hard to believe that they would go thru all the trouble of including HDMI and even quote the advantages of one cable for you audio and video then turn around and require a second cable to get the sound. Instead of having a home run with this unit they have hit a foul ball. How many people will buy this get it home and try to figure out why they can't hear the DVD player on hdmi and take it back thinking it does not work.

They'll find out soon enough, when Best Buy gets showered with returns.

Does the vsx-1016 support dvd-a?

Thanks Dave

Why can't you program your Harmony remote to do this for you? Besides if you are using the 1016 as a switch why would you need to change inputs on the tv? You would only have one HDMI cable going from receiver to tv, so tv input wouldn't change.

Again! There is absolutely NO audio connection at all to the receiver via the HDMI connection.
If you want audio from the receiver, thenyou still must use either a optical, coaxial, or a analog connection for the audio. It will do no more and no less, than if you were to just use a external HDMI switcher in combination with say a 1015.

Well said...thereby making it an even better deal than the 1015 due to the additional digital video switching.

For all the complainers who may be steering some the wrong way, the argument I continue to read (in this thread at least) is that the 1016 while having a HDMI switcher, also requires you to plug in another audio cable. Is this really all that is bothering most here?

HDMI is not even close to becoming a standard format. There are many revisions yet to come. If keeping the audio seperate means that the HDMI switching will not become obsolete (or littered with problems) at the next HDMI revision, then I'll be more than happy to plug in two additional audio cables and be ready with HDMI video.

Can I use the HDMI switching to pass the sound through to another receiver that supports HDMI audio, meanwhile using an optical cord with 1016 and have two receivers outputing sound at the same time?

Assuming the source device supports audio output on HDMI and optical at the same time, then you should be able to.

Why can't you program your Harmony remote to do this for you?

Could, most certainly. Question is WHY would I want to? Since inserting the 1016 into the chain is in effect no different than if I used multiple inputs on the back of the TV, WHY would I want to introduce the 1016 into the chain?

There is no benefit, or very little benefit, to using the HDMI on the 1016. Which has been my point from the beginning. In the value equation for the 1016 IF you put the HDMI as part of why you want to buy it, the HDMI is so minimally implemented that I will challenge just how much "value" is in that "value".

Pioneer down engineered the 1016 from the 1015 and the HDMI Pioneer put in the 1016 simple does not make up for the difference.

Jim

If you only have one HDMI input on your tv, then the 1016 is very valuable if you have a cable box with HDMI and a DVD player with HDMI. Your only using one input on the tv so need to have to switch tv inputs. Why would own a harmony remote and not use it's capabilities? I'm not sure why you would be against programming a helpful step into a programmable remote if you needed the step, which you don't as I explained before.

Why would own a harmony remote and not use it's capabilities?

Why do you think I'm not using my harmony remote to its best capability? I have it programmed quite well thank you. Did you need some help with yours?

APorter,

Are you discussing the benefits of having well implemented HDMI ports? I don't disagree with having an A/V reciever that acts an effective and beneficial switching device. The question isn't is there value to having an A/V reciever that does so. The issue is whether the way Pioneer implemented the HDMI in the 1016 offsets the losses its down engineering represents over the 1015. The HDMI on the 1016 just doesn't bring it up to where the 1015 is.

If I wanted HDMI switching in my A/V reciever I'd be looking elsewhere.

Jim

So, this is essentially a DVI switching device (based on the over-simplified definition that HDMI is merely DVI plus an audio stream), using HDMI connections.

My two harmony remotes work very well. I'm just helping you out since you believe that you would need to keep changing the inputs on your tv if you used the 1016.

Here's what you stated earlier. If you would be so kind as to explain what you meant by this statement.

"If when using the 1016 I have to keep switching input settings on the TV, then why use the 1016 at all for any video?"

The 1016 may not be what you are looking for in a receiver and that's fine. I wouldn't buy because of the lack of not including the front flip down door. Someone else who likes the features of the 1016 will get the added feature of being able to have two HDMI devices hooked to their tv via the 1016 and only using one input on the tv. In this regard the 1016 serves the same function as a 2x1 switch from Monoprice.com.

Jed,

Yes, that is correct. It is the most elementary or basic implementation of HDMI technology.

As such in my humble opinion it does not add enough to offset the downgrading of the amplifier section nor the cosmetic changes.

If the HDMI was full featured, offered up conversion or simply put the signal from other video sources on the HDMI out port and worked as a true switch, allowing multiple sources to feed to one input on the TV, then mayby the 1016 would be a worthy replacement for the 1015. But given its minimalist HDMI implementation, down grading the amp and the cosmetics, it just doesn't fill the 1015's footprints.

Jim

"If when using the 1016 I have to keep switching input settings on the TV, then why use the 1016 at all for any video?"

What needs explaining? If the 1016 still makes me switch inputs on the TV why bother putting the 1016 in the chain?

I actually care NONE about the audio via HDMI lack if capabilities of this receiver.

What I think is absolutely idiotic is that you have to connect an HDMI cable for HDMI video and a component for component, S-video, or composite to the display. Doesn't anyone else see how dumb this seems? Why doesn't ALL video go through the HDMI cable regardless of the source?

Pat

Why do you need to switch inputs? There's only one HDMI cable from receiver to tv. The up-converting to component works the same in on the 1016 as the 1015. You put the 1016 in the chain when you have more inputs than your tv can handle. Let your programmable remote do the tv input selection for you. I don't see why you have an issue with this except for the fact you need to find some fault with the 1016. If it's not for you, move on.

Pat, to answer your question - the receiver cost $499. Think about how many devices you could have hooked up with only two cables running from receiver to tv.