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Picked up a VSX-84TXSi today

post #1 of 3579
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Picked up the Pioneer Elite VSX-84TXSi today at the local Magnolia. Still getting it hooked up, but it looks great so far. I'll have more tomorrow. Didn't see a thread yet, so here we go...
post #2 of 3579
what speakers will they power? What video? Detail your system.
Eagerly awaiting your review!
post #3 of 3579
Can you tell us if it really has parametric EQ along with the 9 band graphic EQ as someone else has posted?

thx

bob
post #4 of 3579
Any idea how large the caps are (power supply caps?)?
post #5 of 3579
i pre order a 84tx from soundpros and scott told me that it is hdmi 1.3. they have upgraded the video and the ipod interface and it has hd radio build in. so call scott for good deal on a 84tx see ya rusty
post #6 of 3579
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Originally Posted by russell sparks View Post

i pre order a 84tx from soundpros and scott told me that it is hdmi 1.3. they have upgraded the video and the ipod interface and it has hd radio build in. so call scott for good deal on a 84tx see ya rusty

I doubt it has HDMI 1.3, I heard it was 1.2. Is Soundpros an authorized Elite dealer? If not you would not have the Pioneer warranty.

Bill
post #7 of 3579
My dealer won't have the one I pre-ordered from them in until next week (hopefully). They said that I can feel free to call for daily updates or they'll call me when it arrives.

After spending an hour this morning to finally remove a "Lightning McQueen" toy car from a McDonalds happy meal out of our downstairs bathroom commode, it sure would have been nice to spend the afternoon setting up my new receiver...
post #8 of 3579
I pre-ordered the 84TXSi to replace my 74 TXVi. I was told July 5 ETA when I ordered it. I just got back from vacation late last night and stopped by Magnolia HT/BB to pick it up this morning and was told it wouldn't be in until July 14.

As with the 56TXVi, the 74TXVi, I will be using the 84TXSi as a pre/pro/HDMI switcher in front of 3 Bryston amps. I'm really interested to see how the video scaler compares to the scalers built into my HD-A1, 79AVi, Comcast HD STB, Sony Ruby and Sony HS51A. I also listen to XM alot, so I'm really interested in the XM Surround features.
post #9 of 3579
HDMI 1.3 was finalized in June 2006. We won't see any CE devices with HDMI 1.3 until late this year at best.
post #10 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Monty Williams View Post

I pre-ordered the 84TXSi to replace my 74 TXVi. I was told July 5 ETA when I ordered it. I just got back from vacation late last night and stopped by Magnolia HT/BB to pick it up this morning and was told it wouldn't be in until July 14.

As with the 56TXVi, the 74TXVi, I will be using the 84TXSi as a pre/pro/HDMI switcher in front of 3 Bryston amps. I'm really interested to see how the video scaler compares to the scalers built into my HD-A1, 79AVi, Comcast HD STB, Sony Ruby and Sony HS51A. I also listen to XM alot, so I'm really interested in the XM Surround features.


Monty

Any major changes in the audio/ processor dept? someone posted about a 3 band PEQ ??


thx

bob
post #11 of 3579
I am urgently need to make a purchase, and just trying to decide between this and the DVDO VP30 (I know they do different things, but one of these will solve my major problems).

I hope you can find time to answer a few quick questions:-

1) How many OPTICAL audio inputs does it have?
2) Does it accept 1080p HDMI input?
3) What does it do with HDMI Audio inputs in 1080P data streams? i.e does it:-
a) only pass through to HDMI output
b) process and output through speakers
c) both of the above
4) Does it output all other HDMI audio (including HDCP) through the speakers?
post #12 of 3579
Quote:


As with the 56TXVi, the 74TXVi, I will be using the 84TXSi as a pre/pro/HDMI switcher in front of 3 Bryston amps. I'm really interested to see how the video scaler compares to the scalers built into my HD-A1, 79AVi, Comcast HD STB, Sony Ruby and Sony HS51A.

Are you refering to upconversion from component to HDMI?
post #13 of 3579
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Originally Posted by stubeeef View Post

what speakers will they power? What video? Detail your system.
Eagerly awaiting your review!

Sorry about the delay - much to play with on this 84TXSi! Initial impressions are good! The MCACC setup is impressive. I'm still playing with it, but the improvement in sound quality in my room is fairly dramatic (upgrading from a Denon 4800 - no auto setup). It correctly identified all of the speakers, picking up the THX speakers as small, B&Ws as large, etc. It also picked up some frequency issues in my room and adjusted accordingly. I haven't gotten into manually tweaking the settings yet, but the auto settings sound great so far.

I am going to use this avr to drive a rotel 1075 amplifier, but for my initial playing around I wanted to check out how the amp would stand up on its own, so I have it driving all 7 channels on its own. IMPRESSIVE! It seems to have plenty of power for what I have thrown at it so far. It will be interesting to see how big the difference is shifting to the separate amp. I'm sure there will be one, but I don't think most people would be disappointed running the 84 'barefoot'.

Only two negatives so far, and they are pretty minor. The speaker connectors on the back of the receiver seem pretty cheap and are loose. If you are using plugs on the ends of your speaker wires, you may want to consider locking plugs. Second, Pioneer put a sticker on the front of the unit! Come on guys, put the advertising material in the box so your retailers can put the advertising on it if they want to, but don't put the crap on the receivers! 99% of these boxes are not going to end up as demos on a store shelf - don't ruin the great looks of these boxes. Ok, enough complaing about that.

I haven't played with the HDMI switchng or the built in upconversion yet, but I will soon. I have to say that being able bring the setup menus up on the primary video output (HDMI) is great. My old avr that only put the setup menus on one of the outputs was always a pain (ok, ok, so I was due for an upgrade).

Some of the eq I'm hooking up to it:
Rotel 1075
M&K THX speakers
B&W P6, LCR600 speakers
OPPO DVD
post #14 of 3579
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyborgx View Post

I am urgently need to make a purchase, and just trying to decide between this and the DVDO VP30 (I know they do different things, but one of these will solve my major problems).

I hope you can find time to answer a few quick questions:-

1) How many OPTICAL audio inputs does it have?
2) Does it accept 1080p HDMI input?
3) What does it do with HDMI Audio inputs in 1080P data streams? i.e does it:-
a) only pass through to HDMI output
b) process and output through speakers
c) both of the above
4) Does it output all other HDMI audio (including HDCP) through the speakers?

1) 4 optical inputs, 2 coaxial, 1 USB, 1 XM Radio, 2 iLink, 4 HDMI
2) Yes (says so, haven't tested it myself)
3) I think both, but I'm not positive. I'll know more soon.
4) I'm not sure what you mean
post #15 of 3579
What are the USB capabilities of the 84TXSI? Is it still 2ch PCM or can it do multichannel directsound?
Is there anything new added to the MCACC?
How good of a job does it do cleaning up SDTV when upconverting to HD?
post #16 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Foundation42 View Post

1) 4 optical inputs, 2 coaxial, 1 USB, 1 XM Radio, 2 iLink, 4 HDMI
2) Yes (says so, haven't tested it myself)
3) I think both, but I'm not positive. I'll know more soon.
4) I'm not sure what you mean

Thanks for the quick response. Sorry I worded the last question badly. Remaining questions are :-

1) how does it handle the audio when it does "1080p pass-through"
Does it come out of the speakers connected to the amp?
Is it only passed through?
Does it go to both?

2) Is the answer different when the input is HDCP protected?
post #17 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Foundation42 View Post

Sorry about the delay - much to play with on this 84TXSi! Initial impressions are good! The MCACC setup is impressive. I'm still playing with it, but the improvement in sound quality in my room is fairly dramatic (upgrading from a Denon 4800 - no auto setup). It correctly identified all of the speakers, picking up the THX speakers as small, B&Ws as large, etc. It also picked up some frequency issues in my room and adjusted accordingly. I haven't gotten into manually tweaking the settings yet, but the auto settings sound great so far.

I currently have the Denon 4800, also. I have the 84 on order and hopefully will have it in another week or two. Any other comparisons with the Denon? Is it woryh the upgrade, other than the auto set up?
post #18 of 3579
I just ordered my 84 today and may have it by the end of the week. Ulitimate Electronics has them at their distribution center.

jta
post #19 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post

Are you refering to upconversion from component to HDMI?

No, I'm referring to the built-in Faroudja DCDi HD Video Scaler that accepts and up-converts low-res video signals to 480p, 720p or 1080i.
post #20 of 3579
Monty, does your Pio do a better job processing than your Ruby?
Doesn't the Ruby reproccess anyway?
Are you running anything HDMI all the way through?
post #21 of 3579
tweeterex,

I don't have the 84TXSi yet, it's supposed to come in on Thursday, July 13. I'm still using the 74TXVi as a pre/pro and HDMI switcher. I am running the Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD player and a Pioneer Elite 79AVi via HDMI throught the receiver and HDMI only to the Ruby. Unfortunately, I have to use component from my Comcast HD STB because they haven't enabled the HDMI repeater functionality in the Motorola cable box yet, so the Pioneer reeiver upconverts the component input to the HDMI output.

I'm curious to see how the Faroudja HD scaler compares to the scalers built into the Ruby, Comcast STB, and 79AVi.
post #22 of 3579
Well, I just bought an 84TXSi from ABT. I'm going to cancel my preorder from MHT.
post #23 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Monty Williams View Post

Well, I just bought an 84TXSi from ABT. I'm going to cancel my preorder from MHT.



ABT ??


thx


bob
post #24 of 3579
I just picked up mine from Tweeter in NC, they have them in stock.
Now I have to wait for my speakers to come in so I can play with the receiver.
post #25 of 3579
You guys are so spoiled
I can't even find someone locally that knows when the 84 will hit their stores
You lucky so and so's kept us posted on your impressions

dc
post #26 of 3579
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

ABT ??


thx


bob

ABT Electronics and Applicances is a family owned retailer in the Chicago area that carries higher-end electronics and appliances that what you find in most big-box stores. The also have a website and sell online.
post #27 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Monty Williams View Post

tweeterex,

I don't have the 84TXSi yet, it's supposed to come in on Thursday, July 13. I'm still using the 74TXVi as a pre/pro and HDMI switcher. I am running the Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD player and a Pioneer Elite 79AVi via HDMI throught the receiver and HDMI only to the Ruby. Unfortunately, I have to use component from my Comcast HD STB because they haven't enabled the HDMI repeater functionality in the Motorola cable box yet, so the Pioneer reeiver upconverts the component input to the HDMI output.

I'm curious to see how the Faroudja HD scaler compares to the scalers built into the Ruby, Comcast STB, and 79AVi.


Lmk what you want for the 74 when you're done with it . If you can undercut a refurb price then I may bite .
post #28 of 3579
What's the refurb price?

EDIT: XM Issue resolved, no problem with the unit.
post #29 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Monty Williams View Post

What's the refurb price?

700-800 w/ 90 day warranty
post #30 of 3579
I also picked mine up yesterday from Sound Advice (ie Tweeter Florida) which I preorded a week ago. Took me a while to switch out my old Yamaha DSP-A1 and recable everything. The good news is because of the HDMI support, there was a lot less cables to connect. The components I'm hooking up to it are:

Sony 60" HDTV (connected via HDMI (video in) and optical cable (audio out))
DirecTV HD Tivo (connected via HDMI)
Yamaha DVD-C950 (connected via HDMI)
XBox360 (connected via component and optical cables)
Playstation 2 (connected via component and optical cables)
iPod 60GB video (connected via included iPod cable)

Because three of my devices are HDMI, my cabling was greatly reduced. I have all video throught the HDMI cables.

I am mainly going to initially comment on features and not so much audio or video quality.

I ran the MCACC auto setup and I would have to agree that it worked great and correctly identified all of my speakers (I have a 5.1 setup). Definitely sounded better after running the setup.

My initial impressions are very good and I really like the unit. One of the features I really liked was the ability to rename the inputs to whatever you want, so now instead of just saying SAT, the receiver actually displays HD Tivo. Same with my XBox 360.

The one thing that was really happy about was that both my HD Tivo and my DVD player was successfully passing all digital audio via HDMI cable. I tested normal audio, Dolby Digital, and DTS and it all worked great.

One of the things that I was greatly disappointed in though was the OSD. I really thought that the unit would display certain information on screen, such as volume levels when raising or lowering the volume, or which device you are switching to. It does not do this unless you have a Pioneer Plasma and use the SR+ function. Even worse, some of the settings under AV Parameters are also not on screen and you have to use the units display to configure these parameters! The only thing that really was on screen was the Setup menu. The Setup menu does work through the HDMI.

Since three of my four video devices are already HD (my DVD player is an upconverting DVD player which also has a Faroudja chip), I was not really able to really test the units upconverting capabilities. My only non-HD unit is my Playstation 2 and I already use that anymore. However when I get a chance I'll test that out and see how it looks. My iPod is also non HD but since it even lower resolution than low res (320x240), I really don't think the Faroudja chip is gonna do much for it ( I rarely hook it up to video anyways).

On the subject of the iPod, I really haven't tested my iPod out with the unit, but long term I plan to leave the iPod hooked up to my Xbox360 anyways since it had much better and eaiser to use naviagation and very cool visuals.

I'll go through the forum and answer some of the questions posted out there. I'll also post more comments as I use the unit. I really only got to hook it up and get a basic feel for it last night and did not get to really dive too deep into the unit.
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