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post #31 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

700-800 w/ 90 day warranty

I'll meet that if you're interested. It comes with the original box and packaging, remote, iPod cable, manual, am and fm antennas, and the original BB/MHT receipt for the remaining 13-14 months of warranty. I'll also double box it to protect the original box.
post #32 of 3579
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Originally Posted by cyborgx View Post

Thanks for the quick response. Sorry I worded the last question badly. Remaining questions are :-

1) how does it handle the audio when it does "1080p pass-through"
Does it come out of the speakers connected to the amp?
Is it only passed through?
Does it go to both?

2) Is the answer different when the input is HDCP protected?

1) You can either listen to the audio being passed through the HDMI cable on the speakers connected to the amp or pass it through to the TV, but you can not do both at the same time. There is a setting that you can swith between the two.


2) The unit is HDCP protected and according to the manual, will only work with other devices that also support HDCP.
post #33 of 3579
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Originally Posted by russell sparks View Post

i pre order a 84tx from soundpros and scott told me that it is hdmi 1.3. they have upgraded the video and the ipod interface and it has hd radio build in. so call scott for good deal on a 84tx see ya rusty

It is definetely HDMI 1.2 and not 1.3. It specifically says this in the manual.
post #34 of 3579
So after a day of comparing the 84TXSi I replaced a 74TXVi with, it seems the only differences are:

The 84 has 4 HDMI inputs versus the 74's 2.

The 84 has the Faroudja DCDi HD scaler which is barely mentioned at all in the manual. My video inputs are a Comcast HD/Digital Motorola STB, a Pioneer Elite 79AVi, and the Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD. My display is a 1080p Sony VPL-VW100 (Ruby) projector with a 110" Stewart GH RS screen. I compared the output of the Comcast cable box set at 1080i with the 84TXSi 'Resolution' set to "PURE" to the Comcast box set to 480i and the 84TXSi set to "1080i" and could not tell the difference, all comparisons via component (Comcast has not enable the HDMI repeater feature in my area yet so the receiver is upconverting the component input to an HDMI output). I also used the 79AVi set to 480i via HDMI with the receiver set to 1080i versus the 79AVi set to 1080i via HDMI and the receiver set to "PURE", not difference that I could tell. I'll be interested to read the professional reviews and benchmark tests of the Pioneer's Faroudja scaler.

The 84 has XM HD Surround by Neural Surround. The 74 only has standard 2 channel XM. Someone mentioned in one of the threads related to the 80 series Elites that they had HD Radio, but they don't although it's easy to see why there would be some confusion.

The 84 has a feature called 'Sound Retriever' used to "restore" the sound quality of compressed audio such as WMA/MP3/AAC.

From what I can tell, the only difference between the remotes (main for the 84) is that the 84's main remote has the label and ability to engage the 'Sound Retriever' function.

The 84 has a secondary sub remote for multi-room use.

And the users manual has about 3-4 extra pages as a result of the above mentioned additional features, but is otherwise virtually identical.

The power consumption in standby mode is rated at 0.65W for the 84 and "Less than 0.6W" for the 74. So I guess it'll cost a few penny's more a month to own and operate.

Oh yeah, and the 84 is listed at being 1/16" deeper, and .2lbs heavier than the 74. However, I think the 84 is about 1/16-1/8" shorter than the 74 because the 74 fit the custom Middle Atlantic rack face I had made for it tightly, while there is a small gap above the 84.

As anyone else found any other differences?
post #35 of 3579
Monty,
Have you ran DD+ from your HDDVD player through HDMI of the 84 to verify 96/24 multichannel audio compatibility?
I've heard the new H/K receivers only see the multichannel signal as 2 channel

dc
post #36 of 3579
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Monty,
Have you ran DD+ from your HDDVD player through HDMI of the 84 to verify 96/24 multichannel audio compatibility?
I've heard the new H/K receivers only see the multichannel signal as 2 channel

dc

Yes, HDMI is my only audio/video connection from the HD-A1 to the 84TXSi. I watched HD DVD 'Enter the Dragon', 'Pitch Black', and 'Friday Night Lights' last night with the 84 in the mix (I was very tired this morning). From what I can tell, the 84 handles DD+ the same way the 74 did, as multichannel 96khz PCM. It is definitely receiving a 5.1 96khz PCM input, and continues to sound impressive.

Some people have reported that the 7x series Elite receivers were misrouting the LFE through HDMI but I never found it to be a problem, although I have an SMS-1 in the loop so that could account for something. I didn't notice any change in LFE output or performance with the 84 compared with the 74, so for those that are concerened I can't say there is any "improvement" or not.
post #37 of 3579
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Can you tell us if it really has parametric EQ along with the 9 band graphic EQ as someone else has posted?

thx

bob

The MCACC in the 80 series appears to be identical to that found in the 70 series Elite receivers. All functions, OSD, menu options, appearant performance are the same.

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Originally Posted by fanofmusic View Post

Any idea how large the caps are (power supply caps?)?

They are the same pair of Pioneer branded 15,000uf, 71v capacitors found in the 74.
post #38 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Monty Williams View Post

I'll meet that if you're interested. It comes with the original box and packaging, remote, iPod cable, manual, am and fm antennas, and the original BB/MHT receipt for the remaining 13-14 months of warranty. I'll also double box it to protect the original box.

What an awesome deal!
post #39 of 3579
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Monty,
Have you ran DD+ from your HDDVD player through HDMI of the 84 to verify 96/24 multichannel audio compatibility?
I've heard the new H/K receivers only see the multichannel signal as 2 channel

dc

My Yamaha DVD-C950 with an HDMI port passed DD+ and DTS at 96/24 through the HDMI cable with no problems.
post #40 of 3579
Pioneer has posted the operating manual for the 84/82.

The link is:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/vg...structions.pdf
post #41 of 3579
Does anyone know if 4electronicwarehouse dot com is a certified Pioneer distributor? They say they are, but in this day and age who really knows...

Is this store a fly-by-night operation or are they safe to deal with?

Anyone know?
post #42 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Rieper View Post

Does anyone know if 4electronicwarehouse dot com is a certified Pioneer distributor? They say they are, but in this day and age who really knows...

Is this store a fly-by-night operation or are they safe to deal with?

Anyone know?

Yes, they are a certified dealer. The list of certified dealers can be found here.
post #43 of 3579
I downloaded the manual and took a quick look but I couldn't find a definite answer to this: does the MCACC audio EQ processing also applicable to the multichannel analog input? The manual only says something like no surround mode can be applied to the analog multichannel input that and only volume and channel levels can be adjusted. Anyone?
post #44 of 3579
no
post #45 of 3579
On page 67 of the manual, it mentions a zoom function. Does anyone know what that does?

Al
post #46 of 3579
It's like the "Zoom" function in a display that crops the top and bottom of the image but fills up the entire screen, eliminating the black letterbox bars.
post #47 of 3579
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Originally Posted by wac View Post

On page 67 of the manual, it mentions a zoom function. Does anyone know what that does?

Al

I'll give it a try over the weekend and let you know. I still have to play with "upconverting" my PS2 (my only non-HD device) so I'll give it a try on it.
post #48 of 3579
What about a letter boxed image in a 4:3 format, that is, black bars on all four sides. Does this zoom those out as well? For example, Stargate on an HDTivo, could I zoom that image and fill the screen without distorting the image?

Al
post #49 of 3579
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Originally Posted by wac View Post

What about a letter boxed image in a 4:3 format, that is, black bars on all four sides. Does this zoom those out as well? For example, Stargate on an HDTivo, could I zoom that image and fill the screen without distorting the image?

Al

I'll try that out too on my HD Tivo and on a non-anamorphic widescreen DVD. My TV has a Zoom function that takes care of this but I'll try this out with the Pioneer and see how it works.
post #50 of 3579
I would very much appreciate that.

I'm going into a Samsung HLN567W from an HDTivo. That version of the Samsung has limited zoom functionality and I've never been able to figure out how to hook the HDTivo up so that I could zoom shows that are letterboxed on all sides. SciFi being one of the worst for doing that.

My receiver is the weak link in my setup anyway and solving that particular video annoyance, with all the other features of the 84, might put me over the edge for a purchase.

Al
post #51 of 3579
Just picked one up at lunch time from Audio Video System. It's a little home theater shop listed as an Elite dealer on Pioneer's site. I was almost late getting back to work as I was drooling over the Classe components they had in their listening room. Cool place, nice guys.

It's going to be a few days before I can get this thing set up.

The cost of buying this stuff from an "authorized dealer" kills me. They had their display labeled at MSRP. I paid just under.
post #52 of 3579
Have you 84 owners tried the internal amps of this receiver?
If so how are they performing?
Do they hold up under stress?
Is the 84's output quite (hum, hiss, buzz, free) when turned up with a source selected?

dc
post #53 of 3579
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Have you 84 owners tried the internal amps of this receiver?
If so how are they performing?
Do they hold up under stress?
Is the 84's output quite (hum, hiss, buzz, free) when turned up with a source selected?

dc

I am using the internal amps and so far it sounds great. I put in Gladiator and played the opening sequence and the Battle of Carthage in DTS and the system held up very well at a very loud volume with no problems. However, I rarely turn the system volume up that loud for either music or movies. Normally I listen at "normal" volume levels. Usually the system only gets turned up when I "demo" the unit.

I have Paradigm front and center speakers and some Yamaha rear speakers. I will give more details as I use the unit. However, as a disclaimer, my ears are not as "finely tuned" and my eyes are not as sharp as some of you so thats why I usually comment more on features and less on audio and visual quality.
post #54 of 3579
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Originally Posted by John Haghighi View Post

no

Also, I guess there is no bass management and surround speaker settings (e.g. speaker size, presence of the LFE, etc.) on the analog multichannel input then?

Better wait for the flagship
post #55 of 3579
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Have you 84 owners tried the internal amps of this receiver?
If so how are they performing?
Do they hold up under stress?
Is the 84's output quite (hum, hiss, buzz, free) when turned up with a source selected?

dc

I'd be willing to bet that the amplifier section and most f the processing stages are identical to those found in the 74. The capacitors and the ratings are all the same. The only processing differences I can find are the addition of 'XM HD Surround' and 'Sound Retreiver' for compressed media formats like WMV and AAC.
post #56 of 3579
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Originally Posted by QuadESL63 View Post

Also, I guess there is no bass management and surround speaker settings (e.g. speaker size, presence of the LFE, etc.) on the analog multichannel input then?

Better wait for the flagship

Although I don't have anything connected to the anlog multichannel inputs, everything except my Comcast HD STB is HDMI, the MCACC light is still illuminated when I select the multichannel input, although Phase Control, Digital Precision Processing, Midnight/Loudness, Dialog Enhancement, surround back cnahhenl processing, and any of the surround sound listening modes (PLIIx, THX processing, etc) are not available.
post #57 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Monty Williams View Post

I'd be willing to bet that the amplifier section and most f the processing stages are identical to those found in the 74. The capacitors and the ratings are all the same. The only processing differences I can find are the addition of 'XM HD Surround' and 'Sound Retreiver' for compressed media formats like WMV and AAC.

Yes I'm sure the 84's amps are the same as those found on the 74 or at least nearly so. Pioneer may have tweak them a bit since it was a new design in the 74, then again maybe not.
Have you, Monty, used/listened to either the 74 or the 84 internal amps?
Rojma testimony sounds promising and Audioholics is suppose to be doing a reveiw of the 84 shortly. Secrets seemed to like the internal amps in their reveiw of the 74

dc
post #58 of 3579
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Yes I'm sure the 84's amps are the same as those found on the 74 or at least nearly so. Pioneer may have tweak them a bit since it was a new design in the 74, then again maybe not.
Have you, Monty, used/listened to either the 74 or the 84 internal amps?
Rojma testimony sounds promising and Audioholics is suppose to be doing a reveiw of the 84 shortly. Secrets seemed to like the internal amps in their reveiw of the 74

dc

I listened to the internal amps in the 74 when I first got it because some people asked me to give my opinions of them compared to the 56TXi that I owned prior to it. I gave them about a 5 minute audition and thought they sounded pretty good, and equal to the 56. There was initially some concern when the 74 came out because it was noticeably lighter and had smaller capacitors than the 56 did but we later found out that supposedly the amp section was a newer, more efficient design. After my initial audition, I turned the internal amps/speakers off and connected hooked my Brystons up to it. When I picked up the 84 the other day, I turned the internal amps/speakers off and hooked my Brystons up without even listening to the internal amps.

I've had some inqueries about buying my 74 but I'm also considering using it at our lake house and replacing a Pioneer 1015 with it. I would be using the internal amps in that scenario.
post #59 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Monty Williams View Post

There was initially some concern when the 74 came out because it was noticeably lighter and had smaller capacitors than the 56 did but we later found out that supposedly the amp section was a newer, more efficient design.

Actually I had the same concern. The 84 is MUCH lighter than my old Yamaha DSP-A1 (I'd say almost half the weight). My initial concern was that that the amp was not going to be anywhere near as good as my old Yamaha. However I would say that it is just as good if not better than my old Yamaha. I guess in the 7 years since I got my Yamaha they have really been able to make major improvements in dropping the weight.
post #60 of 3579
Monty, Thanks for the post.
I didn't know you could turn the internal amps off,
how does one do that?

dc
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