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post #301 of 3579
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Originally Posted by APorter View Post

I have no problem with Elite products not being authorized as I won't purchase from unauthorized dealer, hence the reason for my original question. However, it's not so simple as just checking the authorized internet sellers list on Pioneers site to see what is and what is not authorized as you suggested.

I told you to actually use a telephone and call up Pioneer, because it's the only way you will know for sure. And you also will not find a legit dealer selling Elite products online. I never said that looking them up with online list will tell you everything, or what they are or are not allowed to sell. It is only a generalization of what products they are authorized to sell!
post #302 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

It's pretty simple. Elite products are not supposed to be sold online by any dealer, even if they are authorized to sell Elite products in their B&M stores. If you look again at the authorized online vendor list, you will also notice it's broken down to show what they are allowed to sell online. And none of them are listed for any Elite products.

This was what you originally told me to do. Then you seemed to get all huffy and puffy because I mentioned that list doesn't actually tell you anything except vendor names.

Moving on- Tried another store today and they didn't have the 84. Salesguy tried to tell me the 82 that they had was the latest and greatest in the Elite line. I did notice that they had a 74 marked-down, but it only has 2 HDMI inputs and I need 3.
post #303 of 3579
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Originally Posted by APorter View Post

Moving on- Tried another store today and they didn't have the 84. Salesguy tried to tell me the 82 that they had was the latest and greatest in the Elite line. I did notice that they had a 74 marked-down, but it only has 2 HDMI inputs and I need 3.

Well, the 82 is the latest (but not quite the greatest) in the line. It is very similar to the 84, but:
1) it has 3 HDMI inputs (vs. 4)
2) it does not have iLink input
3) it does not have a USB connection
4) it is officially rated 10W less per channel
5) it only comes with the main remote (not the 2nd remote for use in other rooms)


If you don't need any of those features, it lists for $300 less than the 84.

I'm quite happy with my 82...
post #304 of 3579
Just a note the Authorized Internet list on the Pioneer site has now changed. Maybe someone was following this thread and noticed they needed to clean up that page.
post #305 of 3579
Jim,

I may go back and look at the 82 as I needed to get back and do some research on it. I believe MSRP is $1,200 which is what they were asking, however they tried to say the MSRP was $1,500 and it was marked $300 off. I'm not sure that I would miss any of the features you listed.
post #306 of 3579
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Originally Posted by APorter View Post

Jim,

I may go back and look at the 82 as I needed to get back and do some research on it. I believe MSRP is $1,200 which is what they were asking, however they tried to say the MSRP was $1,500 and it was marked $300 off. I'm not sure that I would miss any of the features you listed.

You are correct. The list on the 82 is $1,200 and the 84 is $1,500, although some authorized dealers claim more and then discount to that.
post #307 of 3579
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Originally Posted by APorter View Post

This was what you originally told me to do. Then you seemed to get all huffy and puffy because I mentioned that list doesn't actually tell you anything except vendor names.

No, I never claimed it would tell you product by product what they are allowed to sell or sell. I told you it was only a rough guide. And I also told you you would not find anyone listed by Pioneer that is authorized to sell any Elite products online. You can't even order the from Elite line direct Pioneer, but yet many of their non Elite products can be bought direct from them. You seem to think for some reason that Pioneer is obligated to offer you a finely detailed list of what their authorized online dealers are allowed to sell. It's not gonna happen, other than Pioneer offering some info on what plasmas authorized vendors are allowed to sell. No manufacture offers such lists of what their authorized dealers have or offer.
post #308 of 3579
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Originally Posted by APorter View Post

I have no problem with Elite products not being authorized as I won't purchase from unauthorized dealer, hence the reason for my original question. However, it's not so simple as just checking the authorized internet sellers list on Pioneers site to see what is and what is not authorized as you suggested.

I can see your point as I always bought my Elite products from Tweeter.

I have been thinking about taking a chance with a pricegrabber vendor with good ratings. Notice the 1 dealer offers 4 year Mack Warranty with the 84 - this is the same warranty that the dealer that sells the Toshiba HD-A1 (special deals for AVS members) offers. He is highly recommended by the HD-DVD forum. If Mack Warranty is good enough for him they must be a decent company.

Any comments/experiences?
post #309 of 3579
Many unauthorized retailers and re-sellers offer either their own warranty or a third party warranty from various warranty providers. You need to carefully read the seller's warranty information. If they don't offer a warranty, but have the cheapest price, before you order google online for audio or electronic warranty providers. There are a few, such as RepairMaster and Warranty By Net.

If you can get a great deal and purchase a reasonably priced warranty then go for it. The only reason not to is to support your local Pioneer Elite Dealer. If I got 20-25% off at an unauthorized dealer and the PE authorized dealer was getting full price, it would be a no-brainer for me. I would give the authorized dealer a chance and tell them I'd purchase from them if they take off 5-10% and the sales tax.

One advantage of buying from an excellent dealer is they can often solve problems after the sale and often for a fee (if a great customer, maybe for free) may come over and show you the optimal operation and set-up. You won't get anything answered from most unauthorized dealers--they just want to move a lot of product. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but you need to walk in with your eyes open.
post #310 of 3579
I've been interested in the Elite line for some time. I'm pretty sure that I have no need for an upconverting AVR because I have enough ports on my plasma to go direct... and I have a programmable remote, so I have the plasma set to change inputs with the various sources. I have a Panasonic S97 DVD player, a comcast 6412 cable box, and an x-box.

So, when I look at the Elite line, I'm pretty sure that I don't need the 84. When I compare the 84 to the bottom of the line 80txv, this is what I see from the Pioneer website as the difference:

84 has 140 watts (vs 110 watts on the 80)
Air Studios Tuning (I don't know what this is)
12 advanced surround modes vs 8
high bit sampling
advanced MCACC vs standard
9 band adjustable eq vs 5 band
i-link
iPOD
4 analog audio inputs vs 3
3 analog audio outputs vs 1
Phono input
USB
7 digital inputs vs 6
5 optical in vs 4
2 optical out vs 1
7 composite in vs 5
2 composite out vs 1
2 s-video out vs 1
video scaler
video conversion
video adjustments
4 HDMI inputs vs 2 pass-through
3 zone vs 2 zone multi room
2 12v triggers vs 1
RS-232C
2 remotes vs 1
approx 2 more lbs

Ok, the list is longer than I thought it was going to be when I started typing. The only functionality that I would like to eventually add to my setup is patio speakers and possibly using the plasma as a pc monitor.

Other than the drop in wattage, which, if any, of these features will I miss/be sad about etc. if I go with the cheaper model?
post #311 of 3579
does anyone know how to run the MCACC auto function while leaving the setting to speakers being "small" ? I am not sure how running the MCACC and ending up with the speakers set to large does any good if I have to then change them to "small", defeating the MCACC settings ?
post #312 of 3579
It's not defeating the MCACC, it's just tweaking it a little. Look at it as the MCACC does about 95% of you setup and you just finish the last 5% with a little more tweaking.
If you don't like the MCACC, then you could just do it all yourself without running the MCACC.
post #313 of 3579
With most material, my system is only using the 5.1 speakers even though I have a 7.1 setup (I realize there is very little material actually encoded for 7.1).

So is there a way I can force the system to use all the speakers even on 5.1 material?
post #314 of 3579
If you want to set your speakers to small manually with full MCACC setup you will have to run the auto setup first. This sets your distances etc. After it finishes you can go to manual speaker setup and set the speakers to small. After that go into manual MCACC and run the acoustic equalizer part. Speakers will be set to small and any change in the EQ will be set in the All CH ADJUST. Done.
post #315 of 3579
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Originally Posted by HiHoStevo View Post

With most material, my system is only using the 5.1 speakers even though I have a 7.1 setup (I realize there is very little material actually encoded for 7.1).

So is there a way I can force the system to use all the speakers even on 5.1 material?

Overlay ProLogic IIx on top of DD/THX or DTS NEO:6 on top of DTS soundtracks. That should give you what you're looking for.
post #316 of 3579
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Originally Posted by enchntr View Post

Overlay ProLogic IIx on top of DD/THX or DTS NEO:6 on top of DTS soundtracks. That should give you what you're looking for.

Thanks I have tried that, but on the front panel I still only see the 5.1 speakers lit up...
post #317 of 3579
I'm not sure what I did wrong with my setup, but I can not get the video my Playstation 2. I'm connecting the RCA cables (red, white and yellow) from my Playstation 2 to the video2/game input on the front of the 84. I have audio, but no video. I read somewhere on the manual that if you don't have video on game, I need to switch the Digital Video Conversion to off. I did that and it is still no picture.

Is the 84 not upconvert composites to HDMI or my set up just flat out wrong? My DVD and Sat receiver that use component cables upconvert signal to HDMI fine.

Thank you for your help
post #318 of 3579
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Originally Posted by HiHoStevo View Post

Thanks I have tried that, but on the front panel I still only see the 5.1 speakers lit up...

The front panel display is indicating what channels it is receiving from your sources, such as DVD, not what it is outputting to your speakers.
post #319 of 3579
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Originally Posted by audio newbie View Post

I'm not sure what I did wrong with my setup, but I can not get the video my Playstation 2. I'm connecting the RCA cables (red, white and yellow) from my Playstation 2 to the video2/game input on the front of the 84. I have audio, but no video. I read somewhere on the manual that if you don't have video on game, I need to switch the Digital Video Conversion to off. I did that and it is still no picture.

Is the 84 not upconvert composites to HDMI or my set up just flat out wrong? My DVD and Sat receiver that use component cables upconvert signal to HDMI fine.

Thank you for your help

IF you have only hdmi going to your display you need to have video conversion ON...do you know for sure that your ps2 works confirmed by hooking directly to tv?..did you go thru the input setup on your 84? did you ever turn component output on on your ps2 if so you need to turn it off if your using composite now
post #320 of 3579
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Originally Posted by wrat View Post

IF you have only hdmi going to your display you need to have video conversion ON...do you know for sure that your ps2 works confirmed by hooking directly to tv?..did you go thru the input setup on your 84? did you ever turn component output on on your ps2 if so you need to turn it off if your using composite now

My Playstation works fine. I did go thru the input set up for Video2/Game. It does not allow me to change the input for component or S. Video, it does not have the option for composite. The only change I can make here is HDMI input and I leave it off.

Thanks,
post #321 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Monty Williams View Post

The front panel display is indicating what channels it is receiving from your sources, such as DVD, not what it is outputting to your speakers.

Thanks Monty........

I guess I was just thinking it operated like my Denon where it shows what speakers are "active."

post #322 of 3579
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Originally Posted by HiHoStevo View Post

Thanks I have tried that, but on the front panel I still only see the 5.1 speakers lit up...

HiHoStevo,
How to "Overlay ProLogic IIx on top of DD/THX or DTS NEO:6 on top of DTS soundtracks. " ?


Thx

Yoga
post #323 of 3579
Hi
I am having trouble hooking up the Oppo to the 84.
I can get video, I am hooking the Oppo to the HDMI 2 input but no audio, I understand that the Oppo is DVI to HDMI so no audio via HDMI, I have tried changing the inputs in the 84 on the HDMI 2, where the Oppo is plugged in and using an optical cable from the dvd player to the optical 2 on the back on the Pio and selecting optical 2 under the HDMI 2 screen and still nothing, nothing with coax 1 either. It does work with a composite video connection to dvr/vcr1 with the optical 2 selected in the setup menu.
I called Oppo today and the guy seemed to know what to do, said to change the inputs on the 84, page 63. He assured me it would work with HDMI for video and then selecting another input for audio.
Just wondering if someone could please tell me how to do this, if it is possible.
Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks.

Mark
post #324 of 3579
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Originally Posted by fontzmark View Post

Hi
I am having trouble hooking up the Oppo to the 84.
I can get video, I am hooking the Oppo to the HDMI 2 input but no audio, I understand that the Oppo is DVI to HDMI so no audio via HDMI, I have tried changing the inputs in the 84 on the HDMI 2, where the Oppo is plugged in and using an optical cable from the dvd player to the optical 2 on the back on the Pio and selecting optical 2 under the HDMI 2 screen and still nothing, nothing with coax 1 either. It does work with a composite video connection to dvr/vcr1 with the optical 2 selected in the setup menu.
I called Oppo today and the guy seemed to know what to do, said to change the inputs on the 84, page 63. He assured me it would work with HDMI for video and then selecting another input for audio.
Just wondering if someone could please tell me how to do this, if it is possible.
Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks.

Mark

Assign the Oppo to one input with HDMI and optical audio via the receiver's input setup. Then with the newly configured input selected, press "signal select" on the remote until the receiver says "SIGSEL DIGITAL". This prioritizes the use of optical/coaxial audio.
post #325 of 3579
MSmith83:
Thank you, Thank you.
Works like a charm now. Figured there had to be a way, thanks again!
Mark
post #326 of 3579
Just picked up a VSX-84TXSi this last Friday. A real sweet piece.

Also snagged a DV-79AVi DVD player also. Its also nice.

Will post some impressions latter.

I sold a Sony STR-DA7100ES along with a Sony DVP-NS3100ES DVD player.

While I enjoyed the amp section on the 7100ES, the feature set of the 84 dumps on the Sony and the amp section ain't bad. The MCAAC also rocks. And I had been a long time ES fan.

I am VERY happy with this purchase.
post #327 of 3579
Hi Guy`s,
I have a question !!
We all know that the `84 has great features , but...
How does it sound ?
Is it quiet , you know , no hiss ?
Reason for asking is , I had a Yamaha DSP-3090 for a while and traded it in for my DSP-A1 and I have tell tell ya` it was like night and day.
The `A1 is soooo much quieter , and soooo much more detailed than the `3090.
Would the `84 be a step up or down for me ?
I`m using "vintage" Boston VR series for L-C-R and CR-8`s for the rear and my sub`s the SPL-1200R , O and frnt f/x`s are HD-5V ( they would be "B" spkr`s for they `84 ).
Many thanks , please post opinions
Gary
post #328 of 3579
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Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post

Hi Guy`s,
I have a question !!
We all know that the `84 has great features , but...
How does it sound ?
Is it quiet , you know , no hiss ?
Reason for asking is , I had a Yamaha DSP-3090 for a while and traded it in for my DSP-A1 and I have tell tell ya` it was like night and day.
The `A1 is soooo much quieter , and soooo much more detailed than the `3090.
Would the `84 be a step up or down for me ?
I`m using "vintage" Boston VR series for L-C-R and CR-8`s for the rear and my sub`s the SPL-1200R , O and frnt f/x`s are HD-5V ( they would be "B" spkr`s for they `84 ).
Many thanks , please post opinions
Gary

I can't imagine the Pioneer 84 being any step but up from your Yamaha A1, which is a fine unit, but............
Pioneer's MCACC system is a great tool in helping with room EQ problems.
I've found the 84's amps to be very robust and dead QUITE.
The Pioneer 84, IMHO, is head and shoulders above anything near it's price point, both in features and performance.
That said, you NEED to audition yourself and make the call.

dc
post #329 of 3579
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Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post

the `84 has great features , but...
How does it sound ?
Is it quiet , you know , no hiss ?
my DSP-A1 is soooo much quieter , and soooo much more detailed.
Would the `84 be a step up or down for me ?

I think the 84 is a very nice receiver, great sound and video processing capability.

The DSP-A1, while a very nice receiver (especially a few years back), is sort of "old technology" now. The latest Yamaha's (ie. RX-V2600 & RX-V1600) have much more refined audio qualities, very efficient amplifiers, clean & pristine sound (for a multi-channel receiver). Moreover, major leap in video processing capability as well. I'm using both receivers in two separate systems, they are awesome.

I'm very curious to see a detailed comparison between the latest Yamaha's and a new Pioneer Elite 84.

One little tid-bit: Yamaha (RX-V2600) = 38lbs, Pioneer Elite 84 = 35.5lbs .
post #330 of 3579
Hi Guy`s,
Thank you very much for your input , most useful
Now all I have to do is wait until my local "Mini-Mag" has the `84 in stock. ( for display )
They sell a newer version of the Boston mains that I have , so I sould get a fair idea of the sound. ( for now , CC is getting Boston and Denon )
Anyway , "DC" I like the part about being "dead quiet"
And "WestCoastD" I have a pretty good idea what you mean by the wieght , my DSP-A1/G is 55 Lb`s !!
Must be that the newer digital amps either don`t need those huge transformers , or they just found something better !!
In any event , lighter my be better , but it really makes you think about build quality.
I have the Pioneer DV-09 and the new `79 , and the `09 is about 40lb`s and the `79 about 18lbs
Thanks again for your help
Gary
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