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post #511 of 865
Thanks for the encouragement guys!

Because of the odd shaped enclosed room I have the engineer I spoke with at AT said it was actually almost ideal for the speaker setup without sound treatments and bass traps so my plan is to set it up and then see if sound treatments are warranted.
post #512 of 865
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

^ Excellent advice from JimP.

Jim, you have the 8200's, not the "e" version, correct? Do you have the 8200 Ped Sub's in each of the 7 speakers? If so, are you running all 7 channels as Full Range? Do you have LFE subs in addition to the sub "peds"?

Craig

Right, I've got the original 8200s(not the more recent 8200e) running off of some Rotel amps at 200 watts per channel. When I spoke to someone at Atlantic Tech about changing out the crossovers to what is in the 8200e, I was told that only difference in the crossovers had to do with the material that they were made from was more environmentally friendly. That electronically, they were the same.

I have the non sub pedistals and am using a single SVS PB ultra-13 up front. I'm thinking about getting a second sub for the rear surround channel. I know that's an unusual configuration, but I did something like that before and for a while thought that I had some pretty good results. I gave that sub away and now pretty much regret it. lol In hindsight I can't help but wonder if having gone with powered sub pedistals would have been better but not knowing how they would sound would have been total speculation.
post #513 of 865
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I've had the 350s, 450s and for the last several years, the 8200s.

In a large room (6,000 cubic feet) I think the 8200s is a good fit. I tried my 450s before upgrading and they just weren't enough in terms of sound quality in such a large room...and I don't typically play my system all that loud. I really am talking about sound quality and not spl.

Something else you may not have thought of us that if you do go with an 8200 system, you are also likely to need either a more powerful amp or receiver.

I think if it was me, it would depend on when in my life I would be doing this. If it was back when I had to be more careful with what I spent, I would at least try the 350s in the new home. As you said, you're not likely to get much for them. You may find that you'd rather just keep them than to sell them so cheaply. If its during the time of my life when I could more easily afford the 8200s, then I'd go ahead and sell the 350s for whatever I could get and be done with it.

I don't know if anyone else would agree with me on this point but when I got the the 8200s I went with front mains for side and back surrounds too. As you can imagine, that ran the cost up but I have no questions about having as close as possible to the same sound coming from all 7 speakers.

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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

^ Excellent advice from JimP.

Do you know anything about the room you'll have in the new house? I think that will be one of the biggest factors in the decision making process.

Craig

Fantastic points to consider. My current room is 2900 cubic ft. The new room will most likely be about the same size, but unfortunately not dedicated/enclosed (probably open to a kitchen off to the side or behind, etc.), so I'm assuming something like Audyssey room correction will be a must. Money will depend on what I can get for my current place (in this economy...).

A few options I've considered:

1) Denon 5308ci + keep 350s + new PJ.

2) Denon 5308ci + 8200e + keep PJ (does the 5308ci have enough juice to do the 8200e justice? Would consider adding external amp & use 5308ci as pre/pro later on.)

3) Onkyo PR-SC886 + Parasound 5250 + 8200e + keep PJ (does the 5250 have too much juice for the 8200e?)

4) Onkyo PR-SC886 + Parasound 5125 + keep 350s + new PJ

Also, I plan on sticking with 5.1 (with dipoles for surrounds).

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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

If it was back when I had to be more careful with what I spent, I would at least try the 350s in the new home.

This is probably where I will fall under, so I could see options (1) or (4) being most realistic (and continue to stalk the 8200e ).
post #514 of 865
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Originally Posted by DigitalAV View Post

Fantastic points to consider. My current room is 2900 cubic ft. The new room will most likely be about the same size, but unfortunately not dedicated/enclosed (probably open to a kitchen off to the side or behind, etc.), so I'm assuming something like Audyssey room correction will be a must. Money will depend on what I can get for my current place (in this economy...).

A few options I've considered:

1) Denon 5308ci + keep 350s + new PJ.

2) Denon 5308ci + 8200e + keep PJ (does the 5308ci have enough juice to do the 8200e justice? Would consider adding external amp & use 5308ci as pre/pro later on.)

3) Onkyo PR-SC886 + Parasound 5250 + 8200e + keep PJ (does the 5250 have too much juice for the 8200e?)

4) Onkyo PR-SC886 + Parasound 5125 + keep 350s + new PJ

Also, I plan on sticking with 5.1 (with dipoles for surrounds).



This is probably where I will fall under, so I could see options (1) or (4) being most realistic (and continue to stalk the 8200e ).

Something else to consider: my dealer (AVS) says that the Denon 4810 has enough juice for the 8200e's.
post #515 of 865
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Originally Posted by Big Picture View Post

Something else to consider: my dealer (AVS) says that the Denon 4810 has enough juice for the 8200e's.

If I were to do Audyssey DSX, I would definitely consider this, although I can't see going past even 5.1 at this point. I am curious what the answer is to Craig's comment below. I do like the Realta video processing and extra amp power of the 5308.

Also, is THX post-processing still relevant these days with lossless codecs and room correction?

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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

The 4810 is not a THX receiver. That's not a problem, per se. However, I would check with Denon to ensure it uses crossover slopes that are compliant with THX spec's, (2nd order High Pass/4th Order Low Pass @ 80 Hz.) Your speakers are designed to work best with that crossover set up. Many receivers use it, even if they're not THX certified.
post #516 of 865
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Originally Posted by DigitalAV View Post

If I were to do Audyssey DSX, I would definitely consider this, although I can't see going past even 5.1 at this point.

I had a demo of Dolby "height" channels by Mark Waldrep of AIX Records and Craig Eggers of Dolby Labs. (Obviously, not Audyssey DSX, but a similar type of technology.) I could definitely hear the benefit of the height channels, but this was in a large room that was specifically set up to display the technology. In our smaller rooms, I'm not sure this technology is feasible, practical or necessary. Still, to be honest, I haven't heard an HT set up with height speakers, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by DigitalAV View Post

I do like the Realta video processing and extra amp power of the 5308.

Depending on the video projector you get, it may be redundant or unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by DigitalAV View Post

Also, is THX post-processing still relevant these days with lossless codecs and room correction?

IMO, no. I have a THX U2 pre/pro, (Onkyo PR SC885), and never use THX post-processing. I use Audyssey MulteEQ XT, (and I do like Neural THX for music.)

Craig
post #517 of 865
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

IMO, no. I have a THX U2 pre/pro, (Onkyo PR SC885), and never use THX post-processing. I use Audyssey MulteEQ XT, (and I do like Neural THX for music.)

Are they mutually exclusive (unable to turn on THX post-processing on top of MultEQ for lossless soundtracks)?
post #518 of 865
Anyone with a home theater with 8200e in Minneapolis, MN area that I could hear?
post #519 of 865
Hi Everyone,

I've had my System 450THX for about 10 years now and I still love it. I'm redoing my theatre and thinking about adding some rear surrounds for 7.1. I'd like to stick with some AT speakers but what are some recommendations? Should I go with dipoles for the rears or some direct firing ones?

Thanks,
Chris
post #520 of 865
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Originally Posted by Chris Dias View Post

Hi Everyone,

I've had my System 450THX for about 10 years now and I still love it. I'm redoing my theatre and thinking about adding some rear surrounds for 7.1. I'd like to stick with some AT speakers but what are some recommendations? Should I go with dipoles for the rears or some direct firing ones?

Thanks,
Chris

I added the 450 dipoles for rears in my 7.2 450 system. I am very pleased with the result. I found the additional dipoles on EBay.

I would also be interested to hear from someone who has been able to compare the directs versus the dipoles in the rear.
post #521 of 865
I'm getting the AT 8200e's for my new HT. I'm considering the Onkyo 5507 pre-pro with Emotiva XPA series amplifiers.

Are there other amplifiers in the same price range as the Emotivas that I should consider too?

Thank you.
post #522 of 865
I'm setting up my new HT with 8200e's and want to add Height speakers for a 9.1 setup. Can anyone here suggest which Atlantic Tech on-wall speakers I might use for Heights, they will be close to the side walls.

Thank you.
post #523 of 865
The 1400 SR-z speakers are specifically designed for use as Height speakers.

http://www.atlantictechnology.com/de...asp?Nodeid=145

Craig
post #524 of 865
Hey all, Can i get your opinion on the Atlantic Technology 4400 speakers, I'll use these in a 12x12 room with Pioneer vsx21thx and Panasonic 42g15 HDTV. It's about 80% blueray movies and the rest music, or are there better speakers in that price range? (b- stock price range)


Thank's
post #525 of 865
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Originally Posted by Mobilecigar View Post

Hey all, Can i get your opinion on the Atlantic Technology 4400 speakers, I'll use these in a 12x12 room with Pioneer vsx21thx and Panasonic 42g15 HDTV. It's about 80% blueray movies and the rest music, or are there better speakers in that price range? (b- stock price range)


Thank's

I've had them for a few months and they are great for home theater and pretty good for music too.
post #526 of 865
I am looking at the Atlantic Technology 6200e and 642 SUB and the Totem Rainmaker system. Would you advice which of the two system will give me the utmost sound and quality for both Home theater and music experience. I was nailed on the AT 6200 e and another dealer said the Totem were superior but not sure if the info is true or just trying to sell his product.

Thanks
post #527 of 865
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Originally Posted by HTshopper2010 View Post

I am looking at the Atlantic Technology 6200e and 642 SUB and the Totem Rainmaker system. Would you advice which of the two system will give me the utmost sound and quality for both Home theater and music experience. I was nailed on the AT 6200 e and another dealer said the Totem were superior but not sure if the info is true or just trying to sell his product.

Thanks

If the application is Home Theater, the Totems won't come close to the Atlantic's. The AT's will have more output and better dynamics than the Totem's.

The Totem's are 4-Ohm's, 87.5 dB sensitivity and are rated up to 100 watts of power.

The AT 6200e's are 6-Ohm's, 90 dB sensitivity and are rated to handle 150 watts, (and I know they will handle way more than that.)

If you are looking for speakers just for music, then the Totem's deserve some consideration. If possible, you should hear the Totem's before making a decision. I have heard them, and they're a nice little speaker for moderately loud music. I would never consider them for HT as they don't have the output and dynamics necessary for HT. Also, the Totem's will be more demanding of the amplification. You'll want to be sure you drive them with amplifiers capable of 3-4 Ohm loads.

OTOH, the AT's are THX Ultra2 certified. They'll be able to output up to 105 dB at 12' in a 3,000 cubic foot room, (the THX U2 spec.) They'll have broad horizontal dispersion with limited vertical dispersion, (this reduces floor and ceiling reflections while providing broad coverage to all seats.) Also, they'll be a very easy load for most any amplifier to drive.

If you haven't done so already, be sure to contact Jason Turk, (username), for pricing. He is an AVS Sales Rep. AVS sells AT speakers at very nice discounts. They also have a 30-day, no-hassle guarantee. If they don't work out, send 'em back for a full refund, (less return shipping.)

Finally, I would recommend you consider different subwoofers. The AT subs are good subs, but there are other subs that are just as good or better for less money. The ID sub companies make some phenomenal subs for great prices.

Good luck.

Craig
post #528 of 865
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

AVS sells AT speakers at very nice discounts. They also have a 30-day, no-hassle guarantee. If they don't work out, send 'em back for a full refund, (less return shipping.)

The AVS return policy is 15 days.

http://www.avscience.com/index.php?o...=86&Itemid=118
post #529 of 865
I wonder when they changed it? Thanks for pointing that out.

Craig
post #530 of 865
Hi Folks,
I just purchased a used set of 4200e speakers for my front stage. I am now looking for components to power them. I'm going back and forth between a Emo UPA-7 (125x7) plus mid range receiver (onkyo,yamaha etc.) or going for a single high end receiver ($1000 - $1200)(high end for me at least)

Can anyone suggest the "optimal" power for my new speakers? I'll be running them in a 7 channel setup and a 2,700 cuft room. Mostly movie/tv watching.

Cheers!
post #531 of 865
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Originally Posted by wadesi View Post

Hi Folks,
I just purchased a used set of 4200e speakers for my front stage. I am now looking for components to power them. I'm going back and forth between a Emo UPA-7 (125x7) plus mid range receiver (onkyo,yamaha etc.) or going for a single high end receiver ($1000 - $1200)(high end for me at least)

Can anyone suggest the "optimal" power for my new speakers? I'll be running them in a 7 channel setup and a 2,700 cuft room. Mostly movie/tv watching.

Cheers!

Either option could work just fine. The Emo amp is a nice amp with a "true" 125 wpc. Paired with a receiver as a pre-pro, you should have excellent power to drive the speakers. The "compromise" with this scenario is in the feature set of the receiver.

With a "high end" receiver, you get a full feature set, but the amps might not be quite as high quality/high output. Remember that your speakers are 6-ohm. If you stick with high-current designs, you should have no problem driving them to full Ref. Level in your sized room with a higher end receiver.

Your speakers are THX Select, but your room is larger than a "Select" room.;
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-ent...ce-categories/
If you go with a higher end receiver, consider a THX Ultra2 receiver. This would have more than enough power to drive your speakers.

Craig
post #532 of 865
Craig,

What kind of prepro/receiver are you using?
post #533 of 865
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Craig,

What kind of prepro/receiver are you using?

Hi Jim,

I have an Onkyo PR SC885 pre/pro and an Earthquake Cinenova power amp driving my 8200e's. I will eventually upgrade the pre/pro to a newer one with Audyssey Dynamic Volume/EQ and DSX, but for now, I'm content.

Craig
post #534 of 865
Nice to find an AT thread in here....

I will date myself and say that I've been rocking a AT 250.1 system for a LONG time now.

dm
post #535 of 865
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Either option could work just fine. The Emo amp is a nice amp with a "true" 125 wpc. Paired with a receiver as a pre-pro, you should have excellent power to drive the speakers. The "compromise" with this scenario is in the feature set of the receiver.

With a "high end" receiver, you get a full feature set, but the amps might not be quite as high quality/high output. Remember that your speakers are 6-ohm. If you stick with high-current designs, you should have no problem driving them to full Ref. Level in your sized room with a higher end receiver.

Your speakers are THX Select, but your room is larger than a "Select" room.;
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-ent...ce-categories/
If you go with a higher end receiver, consider a THX Ultra2 receiver. This would have more than enough power to drive your speakers.

Craig

Thanks for the feedback Craig.

I'm also getting a killer deal on a XPA-3 (200 watts RMS x 3 into 8 ohms)

What would be better? UPA-7 powering all channels at 125wpc or XPA-3 powering fronts and THX Select reciever powering the rears....

Will the 4200's benefit from the extra power of the XPA3?

I'm using for almost 100% TV/Movies....
post #536 of 865
Hi everyone, i'm trying to decide on a speaker system for my home theatre.
I have read alot of reviews from this forum on the larger 6200 and 8200 speakers but not so much on the 2400 or 4400 systems. I have an Onkyo 807
and I'm looking for a 3 or 5 or 7 channel amp to go with it. What I am wondering is will the 4400 system over work the Onkyo? And from so many of you owning the 8200 series, should i hold out for a while and buy the larger series? Room size ( i don't have a answer rentig till the market turns) I'm in Canada and there is no retailer here. So i'm buying these without listening to them. I know it is not recommended but I really like the look and style of these speakers. Was thinking of buying through audiophileliqudaters.com does anyone have any feedback on them?

thanks
Bromo
post #537 of 865
Under normal conditions your Onkyo should have no problem with the 4400 system. In fact I think the 807 would work pretty well with an 8200 system unless you have a very large room and listen loudly.

As to whether you should get the 4400 or the 8200e system that is a tough one to tell someone how to go. I'm of the opinion that if you're thinking about the 8200's then you'll always wonder if you get anything less.

You could get an 8200e center with a pair of 4400 L/R's and whatever surrounds would work. If you then move to a bigger place you could get the 8200e L/R's and move the 4400's to rear surround duty.

Unless Audiophile Liquidator is an authorized dealer I would be wary of buying from them. Contact Jason Turk here at AVScience and see what he can do for you price wise. They are good guys as well as being authorized AT dealers.
post #538 of 865
AT's US Authorized Dealer Page:
http://www.atlantictechnology.com/de...alse&NodeId=31
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**AUDIOPHILE LIQUIDATORS is NOT an authorized online dealer - please check the above link about unauthorized dealers!

There are several authorized on-line dealers listed on that page. Better yet, take fsrenduro's advice and check with Jason Turk. You can get very similar pricing, they *are* an authorized dealer, and they have a 15-day, no-hassle return policy. You won't get any of that from an unauthorized dealer.

Craig
post #539 of 865
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Originally Posted by wadesi View Post

Thanks for the feedback Craig.

I'm also getting a killer deal on a XPA-3 (200 watts RMS x 3 into 8 ohms)

What would be better? UPA-7 powering all channels at 125wpc or XPA-3 powering fronts and THX Select reciever powering the rears....

Will the 4200's benefit from the extra power of the XPA3?

I'm using for almost 100% TV/Movies....

Sorry, I didn't see this question. Personally, I would always opt for higher power. Therefore, IMO, the XPA-3 driving the front 3, plus the THX Select2 receiver driving the surrounds would be a better choice than the UPA-7.

Craig
post #540 of 865
Being from Canada buying from an authorized dealer dosen't benifit me in the same ways that it does consumers from the US. Firstly NO Warrenty coverage. So buying from any web page retailer with the best price works for me, as long as they have a decent rep, So that's why asked if anyone had used audiophileliqudaters. Secondly shipping is always more money, than shipping in the continental US. So i don't want to have return any items if possible, So thats why i ask about there rep. We always take a chance doing online shopping so saving a large sum of money while doing so works for me.
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