High Price May Turn Off Consumers to Playstation 3 Despite Blu-ray - Page 3  

While Sony's PS3 should have the largest library, the majority of the games are crap anyway. With only a few that really really shine, that are system sellers.

Nobody has time for THAT many games. Unless you are a 40 Year old virgin.

True, Sony's UMD is all but dead.

it would be a no-brainer to anyone but Sony and blind loyalists who argue and agenda not what is in customers best interest.

trump card BR media is going to be moot and DVD media ONLY (for games) would eliminate delays and perhaps allow more units sold quicker to fortify their position (against 360/Wii).

i believe they were afraid if they did a DVD optical for games, a BR drive "SKUs" would face marketplace scrutiny and not sell as expected (ie. not as bad as a PSX but not great either).

Who reading does NOT believe $299 PS3 with DVD would vastly outsell the core $499 PS3 as currently announced.

Gaming requires mass market buy-in and mass-market requires reasonable prices that drop quickly.

well your tastes are different then mind. Honestly its too early for me to say if the majority of games are crap as I haven't played them. System isn't even out and most games haven't been accessible to the public.

I do agree, I certainly don't have time for all the games. I have much less gaming time than I used to but I still enjoy playing quality titles :)

My bad, I meant the PS2 Library, as well as the PS1 library.

While a huge library looks great at BlockBuster, there were just far too many bad games in general, in all genres, on the PS1 and PS2.

Tastes aside, you will be able to get any genre for any next gen console. So any one system will only have a few exclusives to pick from.

Final Fantasy? That played out years ago. Same ole same ole. Just more cut scene boredom of big eyed japanes Anime. No thanks.

same response. Yes it had more crap than the others, but had more good games as well IMO as well as according to major review sites. It just had the most period so that would make sense.

Final Fantasy, I've never owned one as they aren't my types of games. I enjoyed Phantasy Star II quite a lot on the Sega Genesis but after that turn-based RPG's just didn't do it for me anymore. Maybe it was Secret of Mana that spoiled me as well as Zelda games :)

I'm more into games like (of the top of my head):

Maximo (both of them are great), Ratchet and Clank, Tekken, Winning Eleven Soccer, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil 4, GRAW, Mutant Storm Reloaded, Geometry Wars, F-Zero GX, Super Monkey Ball, Eternal Darkness, Project Gotham Racing 3 (just recently), Burnout, Prey (demo is good), Mario, Oblivion, Bomberman, Ninja Gaiden, Halo:CE (on xbox-connect was amazing back in the day, come on MS just put it on live for the 360 :cool: etc etc.

so yeah, as I dont have time for them all, regardless all systems have always had games that are above average so I've always owned all the major consoles. I see no reason as to why to limit my choices this gen either. I'll be adding the PS3 and Wii when they come out.

I actually did a calculation based on IGN scores as to the percentage of good games compared to poor games.

XBox actually came out on top.
GameCube second.
PS2 third.

While the PS2 had more good games than the other consoles, but a slim margin, it also had more bad games as well.

Dreamcast faired very well, but the library was far too small at the time I did the calculation.

I will not be adding the Ps3, too much buck for too little bang.

Yup, which is why I probably had more PS2 games than the other two systems. Or course the scores are indicative of my personal tastes all the time. Then again I would imagine PS1 had more high ranked games than N64, but I'm pretty sure I spent much more time gaming on the N64 :cool:

Care to post the results? I'm curious. Like how many games in the 9.0 and up, 8.0 and up, etc.

Way too much work to do that again.

I did it a couple years ago, and I would have to start from scratch.

You spent more time gaming on the N64? I am beginning to doubt you.

What could you have possibly done with the N64 is beyond me.

Well the price just went up on the PS3. It seems that the blue diodes can not be manufactured fast enough to meet demand. As a result the PS3s will be in short supply which will increase their street value. I wonder if the 3rd parties will gobble them up and sell them for a mint on ebay? It does not look good for PS3

Here's the article: http://www.smarthousenews.com.au/Hom...rders/C7A9R8D6

than the PS1. Lots of time with playing with buddies. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario Kart. International Superstar Soccer, Zelda's, 1080, Mario, etc. Maybe not by a big margin but probably more time due to all the time invested in goldeneye and perfect dark, which was quite a lot.

Took me about about 5 minutes (half of that was getting the Excel format to look decent on here :cool: ), IGN's site makes it easy to pull the data:

PS2 Scores --- # of games -------- % of Total ------ # beyond xbox
9+ ---------------- 131 ---------------- 11% ---------------- 40
8+ ---------------- 328 ---------------- 27% ---------------- 79
7+ ---------------- 323 ---------------- 27% ---------------- 153
6+ ---------------- 189 ---------------- 16% ---------------- 71
5+ ---------------- 113 ---------------- 9% ---------------- 50
4+ ---------------- 75 ---------------- 6% ---------------- 31
3+ ---------------- 32 ---------------- 3% ---------------- 2
2+ ---------------- 19 ---------------- 2% ---------------- 9
1+ ---------------- 0 ---------------- 0% ---------------- -5
Total ---------------- 1210 ---------------- 1 ---------------- 430

xbox scores --- # of games -------- % of Total ------ # beyond PS2
9+ ---------------- 91 ---------------- 12% ---------------- -40
8+ ---------------- 249 ---------------- 32% ---------------- -79
7+ ---------------- 170 ---------------- 22% ---------------- -153
6+ ---------------- 118 ---------------- 15% ---------------- -71
5+ ---------------- 63 ---------------- 8% ---------------- -50
4+ ---------------- 44 ---------------- 6% ---------------- -31
3+ ---------------- 30 ---------------- 4% ---------------- -2
2+ ---------------- 10 ---------------- 1% ---------------- -9
1+ ---------------- 5 ---------------- 1% ---------------- 5
Total ---------------- 780 ---------------- 1 ---------------- -430

edit:
44% more 9+ games on the PS2 than xbox
32% more 8+ games
90% more 7+ games
60% more 6+ games
79% more 5+ games
70% more 4+ games
7% more 3+ games
90% more 2+ games

nice work! I was googling for the data myself.

maybe it was a slim margin when you did it two years ago in terms of numbers. Definitely isn't now though.

Forgot to add this category:

44% more 9+ games on the PS2 than xbox
32% more 8+ games
90% more 7+ games
60% more 6+ games
79% more 5+ games
70% more 4+ games
7% more 3+ games
90% more 2+ games

# of good games is far more important than percentage of good vs. bad.

We had a PS2 for most games and bought an XBox just for Halo. Then we bought 3 more XBoxes, just for Halo 2 family/online fighting. We probably won't upgrade to 360s until Halo3 comes out.

So I guess a single killer app can also be a console driver.

agreed 100%. There could be 100 more bad games or 100 less, doesn't matter to me as I'm not buying them.

definitley.. Games like Halo, Final Fantasy, Madden, Zelda, Mario have all been known to sell systems. I've had 3 xbox's in my house going over xbox connect for Halo:CE to play against buddies online as well as others. Great times :)

I am so confused.

Everybody says it's way too expensive, but everybody also says there will be a massive shortage comes November.

At this point, in stores, Premium packages are the only option for Xbox 360. The Core package stopped flying as soon as the Premium package became truly available.
The Premium package costs ~$400.

There is no reason to believe the ~$500 PlayStation 3 will fare better than the ~$300 Xbox 360. So, the $600 PlayStation 3 is likely to become the only option for PlayStation 3.

So, it's a $400 option versus a $600 option.
$200 doesn't seem so much of a difference when you factor in the Blu-ray drive, yet people make a big deal out of this $200 difference.
All at the same time, they spend $300+ on iPods, cell phones, video cards and other gadgets that carry huge profit margins.

Yes, I am so confused.

Mario Kart 64. That is my ALL TIME favorite game. I'd come home from the bars in college, drunk off my ass, fire up the N64, and do some serious Kart racing. It never got old. Heck, I donated that system to some needy kid through my church, but I'm almost tempted to go buy another one now just thinking about all the fun I had. Anyone know of any HDMI mods to the N64? lol.


How Sony has dominated the console gaming market is through flooding the shelves with games. Good games, average games, bad games, it doesn't matter. There is always someone out there that will buy a game, even if it sux to the majority. Some games are developed with very little overhead, and it doesn't take many sales to recoup the cost. Its all about marketing. You have to convince people that they need to buy your product. Your product can be garbage and worse than your competitors, but if you get people to believe that yours is good, they will buy the hype. Sony has done this very well over the years, and they will continue to in the future. Bose has done this as well, and will continue to in the future. Also, the higher the price, the higher the hype. The PS3 at $600 has all the hype they need to move their product into people's homes. Sony didn't just come up with $600 on a whim. Its a precisely calculated number that, I feel, fits very well in the current market. BD's poor launch has hurt the value somewhat, but it doesn't really matter in the end. We all act like everyone is on the edge of their seats watching and waiting, but in fact, the majority of consumers don't even know this stuff exists. It just gives us subject matter to talk and speculate about.

Dralt,

The shortage will come from a tight supply and die hard fan boys buying them up because it's a PS3. Once the dust settles keeping track of the monty sales will give you a better idea of how well it's received by the masses.

$600 is a lot of teenagers, parents and average Joe. Most people on this board are doing rather well financially and thus we forget to take it from an avg Joe perspective. Now you won't just buy a PS3 and go home. Add a controller and 2 games plus tax and you're well around $800.

Most importantly if that PS3 can't stop selling at $600 it raises the bar for next gen consoles to be sold even higher.

The key is "when you factor in the Blu-ray drive" - for the gamers that couldn't care less about BD movies, that just leaves the $200 difference. That's a 50% increase - or for multiple console households it means 2 PS3s or 3 360s.

Those looking for a BD movie player aren't the ones making a "big deal out of this $200 difference".

In fact, I have not seen a AAA Xbox 360 game that didn't have frame rate issues. It has been 9 months since launch.

I really wonder if Xbox 360 is as powerful as Microsoft claims. If early games already stress its capacity, I wonder how they are going to ramp up.

PGR3 has no frame rate issues. I'd know. I play it way too much.....

GRAW is pretty smooth, its not 60fps but its slow paced so it isn't a problem. It has other issues though in the form of screen tearing. Regardless I highly recommend it.

PGR3 doesn't really have framerate issues either though it isn't the targeted 60fps that devs wanted. I'm guessing PGR4 will hit 60fps as they'll have had more time with the machine. Also, recommended if you like half arcadish/half sim style gameplay.

The Burnout: Revenge demo seems to be a solid 60fps without screen tearing but I can't vouch for the final build but I don't see why it would be different.

Honestly, I just believe its the devs having to deal with a learning curve of the new hardware.

Ah, that's a good point, but it leads to a contradiction.

You see, before Sony beat them at their own game, Microsoft claimed over and over that Xbox 360 was meant to usher the "HD Era".

And indeed, the fact that it can output at 720p and 1080i is one of its key features.

This being said, how could anyone care about 720p/1080i and not care about having a HD drive?

In other words, if you say:

"Joe Average does not care about a HD drive because Joe Average does not own any HD equipment."

, then this other statement should stand true:

"Joe Average does not care about 720p/1080i because Joe Average does not own any HD equipment."

, which probably means Joe Average would be better off buying a PlayStation 2. (I would like to say "or the first Xbox", but support for the first Xbox is disappearing so fast...it's no longer an option.)

Can anyone explain the technical arguments behind this?

You are quite right...PGR 3 had no frame rate issues.

This is my definition of a "AAA game"...

I usually go by GameRankings.com, "Avg Score of Main Sites", games that received at least 20 reviews, rated 90% or better.

At this time, that list includes:

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, 94.1%
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, 90.8%
Call of Duty 2, 90.1%

PGR 3 is not far at 88.5%.

Another shocking thing in that list: "Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved", a game that could run on a 486 with 32 MB of memory and no dedicated video hardware, ranks 4th at 89.1%.

I wouldn't want to use a gaming machine as my primary source for viewing HD content. A stand alone box is much better.

Chinch, care to entertain my curiousity. What in your mind is the agenda?

What's hard to explain? You don't need "Hi Def DVD Players" as your medium to bring forth HD gaming. HD is simply high resolution.

360 games natively rendering at 720/1080i = HD

And before someone is bound to bring up "but the PS3 will have 1080P at 60fps!" It's only for games that require minimal graphics.

If you think a game like Oblivion with run at 1080P, 60fps, 4xAA, 8xAF, HDR+AA, you need to learn more about the capabilities of the RSX which is esentially a 7600GT. Also, even in a closed enviornment the cell can only do so much as the workload load shifts to the GPU as resolution increases.

Nice way to ignore the question... ;)

Very simple.

XBox 360 kept the price within the ballpark of what new gaming consoles should be.

PS3 on the other hand is going over the top.

The resolution circle argument you are stating is kind of pointless.