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post #31 of 294
350 for a Marquee crate?

VDC only charged me 250 for one...


Gino, you need to get red C elements installed in those. Believe me. The difference is not subtle.


Dental school...OK, I hate stinky breath....but maybe the scratch is worth the stink. Maybe I should check out that option?

Probably not. I'd become what I hate most. :D


CJ
post #32 of 294
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys... I am really excited, as proud a father as any :D

Can't wait to do a rough setup and see the results. Wont be able to get ISF calibration until after CEDIA. Local tech is booked out.

Will post photos soon of the "Twins" first steps :p

As for the Red C-elements, is that the only other upgrade I can make to these? Just want to make sure if I import them, that there isnt anything else I should get.

So, who wants to provide me with a pair of red C-elements? Could you PM me with costs, availability, and shipping costs to Australia too. Would like them within a month or two, so I can get the local tech here to install them for me when he does calibration.

My setup should be dialled in better than Tim's. ISF calibration, C-elements, Ultra's with newer near perfect tubes, Mike Parker's latest v2 mods etc... can't wait!
post #33 of 294
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Originally Posted by mp20748
Dang, I only wish I could have made the trip down there to do the setup. I understand Australia to be a great place to visit. And hopefully I'll be able to stop that way soon. I've signed up as a technical consultant for a company that does work globally, but I did not not sign up to go globally. But for this, I'm sure I can get them to drop me in Australia one day.. ;) Had I not been so involved in cleaning up repairs and doing blend and other setups for this same operation, I would have arrived with those projectors.
Thanks Mike.. I can't wait to see your latest mods in action! The invitation is still there for you to visit, I bet you could get the Twins to play very friendly with the BlendZilla. ;)

And you're right, Tim's service and QC is second to none! These things arrived looking brand new... only better!
post #34 of 294
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Wow! What an overwhelming response.

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Originally Posted by antorsae
One question though: why didn't you go with a bigger screen? I am planning the same myself but with a 160" wide 2.35:1 AR screen. I am crossing my fingers expecting the light output of the Marquees to be enough in my totally light controlled basement.
How much bigger do you really need? Just sit closer to the screen! :p
I thought this size would hit the sweetspot, and keep light output high since the throw would be quite close. This would also mean the tubes won't be driven hard at all in my setup. Want this Twins to last til they are old and grey :)

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Originally Posted by flyingvee
WHYYY??? Last time I was in Cairns, I only came out of the water long enough to refill my scuba tanks. And maybe eat. Don't tell me you get so jaded by living in heaven that you have to watch movies - here in Iowa, amidst the corn fields and hogs, movies are a welcome distraction.
Believe me mate, I do plenty of deep sea fishing, scuba diving, snorkeling, water skiing, jet skiing, sky diving, motorbikes along the coast.... you name it! Lots to do here in the tropical north.

But what do I do when the sun goes down?


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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger
Congrats Gino. I do not post to much in the CRT forum but Ive been reading all the BlendZilla threads and you will without a doubt have one of if not THE best setups in your country. Share some pictures once you have everything to your satisfaction. I bet you are excited. Looks like dental school paid off :)
Thanks Alan! I'll be very happy with top 10 :) And yes, dental school does appear to have paid off, as I'm sure Art would concur.


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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn
Very very Cool ! Give us your impressions although anything but that it's incredible won't be credible ! :D

Art
Will be great to see how the Twins stack up to your legendary G90's. I'll be sure to drop in when I am in the US next year. I am stoked that people are even comparing my setup to yours, and they haven't even been unpackaged yet!


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Originally Posted by Smitty7892
What is that in the middle, a $200 video switcher? :)
Hahha.. say hello to BlendZilla #2 ($17K... mmm, close guess)

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Originally Posted by Prehjan
I'd take it you won't have the upgrade bug for a few more months!!!
I hope not Martin... but QUAD-BLEND sounds real good :D

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Originally Posted by kal
A dental surgeon?!? Whoa! Take this as a compliment Gino, but looking at the pics you posted, I figured you were about 19 years old! :) You certainly take good care of yourself!
Thanks Kal, yeh, only 26 years young, but I don't look it. My patients are always very shocked. Just very active I guess.
post #35 of 294
"So, who wants to provide me with a pair of red C-elements? Could you PM me with costs, availability, and shipping costs to Australia too. Would like them within a month or two, so I can get the local tech here to install them for me when he does calibration."

You buy them from VDC for $100.

But it's not that simple - CJ's the expert, but as I understand the C-element is stuck (or gets stuck) to the bellows. So at the very least you have to point the pj straight up, and then hyper-carefully remove the C element AND NOT SPILL THE GLYCOL. And you have to hope the bellows does not adhere and get torn.

Otherwise you have to pull the tube, drain the glycol, and fit a new bellows (silicone them in, and wait for curing) and reassemble the tube.

Please correct me if I'm wrong Marquee guys - I've never seen one.

It could take the "local tech" ;) an hour, or 2 days - if he's game, he's never seen a Marquee either, and there's the risk of subsequent leakage damaging the projector, and warranty issues.

I would get instructions and do it yourself.

This does beg the question...why wasn't it done when you bought them? (Tim??) They don't have a filtered red stock, but they should for video use.

And the tech has to setup 2 units with a blend..when he's never seen Marquees before...I know he's good (he helps me with advice all the time), but don't expect miracles, and don't expect him to do it fast.

So Gino, I really think you need to do it yourself, or talk to Tim. If I was the tech I'd be getting out my 50ft pole..

Mark
post #36 of 294
Guys!

It is suicidal to attempt C element replacement unless experienced; my record for just trying to remove a C element is one OK, one cracked bad. And you would have to drain the glycol to even consider this.
post #37 of 294
It's that difficult?

It's dead easy on every other PJ I've seen...I know it's different..but THAT difficult?
post #38 of 294
Personally, if you have spent the money for basically the best equipment in the world I think you are doing yourself a DISservice not bringing over the best installer to hook it up.
Flights to Australia & payment for Tim or MP to install this system are cheap compared to having this system look like hell if not properly setup.

BTW,thats one hell of a system you have there & you should consider yourself lucky while there are so many others who are very very jealous.:D
post #39 of 294
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Lyons
Personally, if you have spent the money for basically the best equipment in the world I think you are doing yourself a DISservice not bringing over the best installer to hook it up.
Flights to Australia & payment for Tim or MP to install this system are cheap compared to having this system look like hell if not properly setup.
Scott, I have offered this to Mike, Tim and Curt, who sadly all declined. Mike Parker has expressed interest though in hopefully doing it next year.

Are there any ISF certified calibrators out there with experience in blending, willing to come down under for a free return flight, free accomodation at my house, and good times! maybe even free dental ??? Anyone???
post #40 of 294
Gino,
I just wanted to tell you from now on your going to be one of the people who gets this statement....
Wait for it.........
YOU SUCK!
Enjoy your system most of us are Jealous.
John
post #41 of 294
Those guys are crazy & work too hard!! That is one hell of an offer & life is to short not to take Gino up on it.

The only other thing I might check on at this stage is to see how in the hell the Reference Imaging guys (Robert Zuch) get HD-SDI from the Teranex Mini into the CRT's they sell & service. They also have some sources converted to output in HD-SDI apparently.

I personally don't believe that anyone has yet seen the best possible image out of this combo since the DVX-8022 is capable of doing all its video processing in the digital domain. I'm sure it is a nice transcoder as well, but that can't be the optimal mode of operation.

And yes I am well aware of some goodies that have been promised for September but don't want to start a "vaporware" argument.


Strong stuff Gino!! I applaud & if I ever get down that way hook a brother up!!
I've got 300K in airline miles , but alas, no install capabilities.
post #42 of 294
Gino,
Drop Graham Johnson a PM, he may have some Red C-Elements, he is in Melbourne.

He has a sweet setup,
Hope that I can drop in when I am in Oz next time to see your babies.


Good Luck with getting them setup.

Cheers
Steve
post #43 of 294
We really would like to have been able to actually arrive with that setup, but we have far too many things to really wrap up here first.

Both Tim and i will be available for his installer. And with our help, he'll not need to know much beyond setting up a single CRT. If he's good with doing one, he can also be successful with the twins. This happens a lot. For instance: Yesterday I had to drive 287 miles (one way) to reinstall and setup two Marquees in a video CAVE. The Marquees were removed from this setup and delivered to me two weeks ago by a tech who was sent to that site to clear up a problem. The tech was supposed to pick the projectors up from me once repaired, and reinstall them back into that CAVE setup. I got the feeling from the tech when he dropped them off, that he was somewhat intimidated by that setup. I told him to call me if he needed help, I could walk him through the difficult part over the phone... well, he later backed out, and then I get a call asking me if I could show up at that location and make this happen. At first I refused, but then decided it would be best if I did go down and make that happen. A cave is a large cube that you can walk into. There are (in this case) four CRT projectors projecting one each on the rear (facing) two left sides and floor of that cube. It is usually run by an SGI server, and has a whole setup of other computers controlling it. It's a strereoscopic immersive system, that in this case would allow students to enter the cave and look into a molecule, human brain, etc. You'll actually be able to look at suspended items that appear right in front of you once you put on the special glasses.

This system is huge. It's a large cube made of screen material, that's usually in a large dedicated room. So it looks really intimidating, but it's not. Of course you'll need to know about geometry, and in this case, these were not Ultra's, so a few tricks were necessary to match each corner. But this all could have been communicated over the phone to "anyone with real CRT skill's"

If Gino's installer has good setup skills, he can make this happen. If he needs to have the setup put on paper, I'm sure either Tim or i can have the same company that sent me to do the cave draw this up for us, though it's not really needed. Once the projectors are placed in the right position to the screen (important), it's all cake from there. So much so, that even the added features of the Ultra may not be that needed. The key is getting them in the right position to the screen, and there's test patterns that will greatly help with that. Trust me, everything else in easy, because the blend does wonders with bringing things together.

So if we could have walked an installer through setting up two of the four projectors in that cube, I surely could be a better help to anyone with good geometry and setup skills make this happen on only two projectors for Gino.
post #44 of 294
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Can't wait to do a rough setup and see the results. Wont be able to get ISF calibration until after CEDIA. Local tech is booked out.
'Local' that puts Australia into perspective when it is a 3000Km flight!

Doing my best to free up a slot in my time. You picked the worst time of year to get the gear Gino- sent it back and try again later in the year!

I'm instructing at the CEDIA Australia expo and also co-ordinating the ISF training which is running in Australia in 2 weeks. Then on top of all things I'm involved in the launch of the Pioneer PDP-5000 50" 1080p Plasma and CEDIA US is looming after this. Bad Bad timing.

Never fear - you've picked the right man for the job, with the exception of my schedule. Although I've never worked on a Marquee I regularly work on G90s and other high end CRT setups. Nothing will happen quickly but it will look awesome when we're done.

Aaron
post #45 of 294
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Azzad
Never fear - you've picked the right man for the job, with the exception of my schedule. Although I've never worked on a Marquee I regularly work on G90s and other high end CRT setups. Nothing will happen quickly but it will look awesome when we're done.
I was wondering when you would chime in Aaron. Hope you've been reading the forums and doing your homework!

As you will have noticed, Tim and Mike will be here to give us a hand.

Think you can negotiate on your price? (free dental perhaps?) hehe, all this exposure should help your business! :p
post #46 of 294
tim, I'm surprised that you thought the C Element change was that bad. When Terry was here doing my 8501LC he said it was pretty easy to just stand up, pop out, and pop the new one in.
post #47 of 294
I have changed MANY C-elements on many Marquees. It's NOT tough.

But then again, I don't even bother trying to salvage the old bellows. I have a substantial
supply of them and always provide a new one.

I emphatically do NOT recommend standing the PJ up on end when doing this. REMOVE the
CRT assembly from the projector and do it RIGHT. It doesn't take much spilled glycol to do
immeasurable damage to the electronics.

If anyone wants C elements changed out on their Marquees, I can provide shipping containers for the assemblies, you ship them to me in these boxes, I do the job quickly,
turnaround is about three days, I replace the glycol if it needs it, and ship them back to you. I use shipping containers that are made for the job, too.

Some people fear this job. To me it's very routine.

I'd be happy to do it for Gino, but I think the cost of shipping the CRT assemblies will be fairly high. I checked USPS Global Priority mail rates and nearly choked.



CJ
post #48 of 294
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Originally Posted by madpoet
tim, I'm surprised that you thought the C Element change was that bad. When Terry was here doing my 8501LC he said it was pretty easy to just stand up, pop out, and pop the new one in.
No you must have misunderstood me. I said that was the way I can do it for a G90. The Marquee can be a bit more difficult but with care can be done standing the PJ on it's tail. As Steve points out you have to be careful with the bellows on removing the old CElement.

Terry
post #49 of 294
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS
Thanks Alan! I'll be very happy with top 10 :) And yes, dental school does appear to have paid off, as I'm sure Art would concur.
I didn't make that connection! You guys have the best HTs in the world as the result of hurting people for a living. How unfair is that! :D And you probably won't go to hell when you die, even though if life was fair, you would. :D
post #50 of 294
CJ,

Why don' you sell Gino the c-elements and some new bellows (some spares just in case it takes more than one attempt) and let them give it a shot.

I'm with many others here. Why don't the PJs already have red c-element upgrades installed?
post #51 of 294
I thought of that....thanks.

The red C-elements aren't stock items on Marquees, at least, because the primary customers for Marquees are government and major corporate customers dealing in simulations. In this market, MTF (Modulation Transfer Function) is considered to be an important measurement.
MTF decreases when you filter the CRT's output. So they take modest color inaccuracy over
a decrease in MTF. (Which correlates to available contrast ratios, too.)

CJ
post #52 of 294
What Gino hasn't mentioned is that this Blendzilla is for his waiting room.

;)


Unfortunately I would have loved to come down under to tune up your system, but I'm a repair guy, not a tweaker. I'm not your guy...
post #53 of 294
Hey Chris,
How about you send me the bellows we have talked about????????
Did you get my PM????


I have a PDF I can send you Gino,
I documented how to do this about 2 years ago, I can send it to you no worries.
PM me with your email address and I will send it.




Cheers
Steve
post #54 of 294
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmjohnson
The red C-elements aren't stock items on Marquees, at least, because the primary customers for Marquees are government and major corporate customers dealing in simulations. In this market, MTF (Modulation Transfer Function) is considered to be an important measurement.
MTF decreases when you filter the CRT's output. So they take modest color inaccuracy over
a decrease in MTF. (Which correlates to available contrast ratios, too.)
I know why they don't ship from the factory with red c-elements. What I don't know is why they didn't ship from Tim with them. I thought this was suppose to be the ultimate system. Not really, not without red c-elements. It has the MP mods, why not the relatively inexpensive c-element mod? I'm sure Gino paid a freakin' fortune for this setup. You'd think the "ultimate system" would come with all possible hop-ups.
post #55 of 294
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Originally Posted by Phil Smith
You'd think the "ultimate system" would come with all possible hop-ups.
C'mon Phil - what would be the fun with that? Can you imagine a CRT owner who didn't want to upgrade something? ;)

I think this could become another thread - name a crt owner who hasn't or doesn't want to upgrade some part of his/her system. Shoot, if I remember correctly, even Art has had posts where he has mentioned upgrading one item or another. If you are going to buy a system, and then be done, you may as well just get a dlp. :rolleyes:
post #56 of 294
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Smith
I know why they don't ship from the factory with red c-elements. What I don't know is why they didn't ship from Tim with them. I thought this was suppose to be the ultimate system. Not really, not without red c-elements. It has the MP mods, why not the relatively inexpensive c-element mod? I'm sure Gino paid a freakin' fortune for this setup. You'd think the "ultimate system" would come with all possible hop-ups.
I don't think Tim supplied these machines, but niether he, Curt, or anyone else adds these unless specifically requested by the customer. On a Marquee, they can rightfully be considered a mod. When I send in my Red tube to VDC for replacement I will also have to ask Charlie to put in the RED element. That's just how it is Phil, if you don't like it get a G90 and the Red C element is standard. :)
post #57 of 294
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Originally Posted by draganm
I don't think Tim supplied these machines, but niether he, Curt, or anyone else adds these unless specifically requested by the customer.
One's from Tim, one's from Curt.

Agreed that no reseller's going to do the c-element change unless asked. Unless the customer asks, the customer will most likely not notice the difference. Yes, the difference is noticeable, but it's one of those things you don't know to ask for until you see the difference. :)

Kal
post #58 of 294
I don't think anyone expects a red c-element when buying a single 9500. You don't expect a full compliment of MP mods either, nor a $16K blender. I just thought the VERY expensive blendzilla system (did I mention VERY expensive...I'm talking EXPENSIVE) would come with all the cool stuff. Apparently not. I stand corrected, I guess. :rolleyes:
post #59 of 294
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I don't think Tim supplied these machines, but niether he, Curt, or anyone else adds these unless specifically requested by the customer. On a Marquee, they can rightfully be considered a mod. When I send in my Red tube to VDC for replacement I will also have to ask Charlie to put in the RED element. That's just how it is Phil, if you don't like it get a G90 and the Red C element is standard


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One's from Tim, one's from Curt.

Agreed that no reseller's going to do the c-element change unless asked. Unless the customer asks, the customer will most likely not notice the difference. Yes, the difference is noticeable, but it's one of those things you don't know to ask for until you see the difference.

I would have thought different THAN THE TWO QUOTES ABOVE .

I think with all the effort and money spent on this "reference system" the colour corrective red C element would have been OFFERED as an option as the other mod options were "offered" .

I have no idea if the C element was talked about or declined or an oversight or whatever as it is not my deal .
But I do not buy the two excuses quoted above .


I hope he got a remote with that system :) Recently a reseller considered a remote an OPTION on a eleven thousand dollar G90 . I would not deal with a guy trying to sell me a used g90 for that price and then try to gouge me for the remote just out of principle.



Bruce
post #60 of 294
Guys!

I have seen the red C element a few times, and personally, could not tell a difference. The idea never came up in any discussions, so it got bypassed. We would have sent tubes into VDC for swapping as I was not interested in tearing a bellows. Shouldn't it be "bellow" if there is just one?
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