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post #61 of 294
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Originally Posted by bruce can
I would have thought different THAN THE TWO QUOTES ABOVE . I think with all the effort and money spent on this "reference system" the colour corrective red C element would have been OFFERED as an option as the other mod options were "offered" . I hope he got a remote with that system :) Recently a reseller considered a remote an OPTION on a eleven thousand dollar G90 . I would not deal with a guy trying to sell me a used g90 for that price and then try to gouge me for the remote just out of principle.
Bruce
you tell em Bruce " I ain't taking no crap from nobody" :D I think a Red C-element that never was installed originally by the manufcturer is a little drifferent from the remote control. I know for a fact Tim's machines come with both remotes included, yes you heard it right 2 REMOTES :eek: :D
I agree That G90 seller was a crook, anyone who tries to pull something like is like a big neon sign saying "DANGER will Robinson" :mad:
post #62 of 294
This whole thread has taken a turn toward monty Python type comedy. I mean Gino posts his new reference system to show off that he's rightfully proud of and it turns into an argument over whether the projectors should have come with a pair of $200. red C-elements. Oh well, I guess it was the worlds best projection system for at least 24 hours. :rolleyes: :D
post #63 of 294
With all due respect, Tim, if you don't see the difference in red quality with/without a red C element, then you might consider the possibility that you don't have the color acuity in the red-yellow range that some people do.

It's a fact that genetics determines your color perception abilities, and the genes that control your ability to perceive red can occur in something like 44 different permutations, each of which will have subtle to dramatic effects on how you perceive colors, reds in particular.
Women often have superior color perception abilities in the red part of the spectrum.
This is because the gene for sensing shades of red is found on the X chromosome, and
women have two X chromosomes. Men have only one, so a man literally CAN'T have the
most sensitive type of vision in the red range. Some women have superior ability to differentiate different shades of red compared to any man, and that's just the way it is.

To me, the difference in filtered red vs. non-filtered red is anything but subtle. I'd NEVER
want to run another PJ without a red C element or other red correction.

Incidentally, my color vision is about as good as it gets for a man. I can read the last
color vision test chart in the standard series, which most men can't do.


Here is a dramatic photo showing the difference. I took this using a red gel
filter applied directly to the CRT face of a Marquee 8000. The color value of
the red gel is very close to what a red C element provides.

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/506...rhalfnhalf.jpg




CJ
post #64 of 294
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Originally Posted by draganm
you tell em Bruce " I ain't taking no crap from nobody" :D I think a Red C-element that never was installed originally by the manufcturer is a little drifferent from the remote control. I know for a fact Tim's machines come with both remotes included, yes you heard it right 2 REMOTES :eek: :D
I agree That G90 seller was a crook, anyone who tries to pull something like is like a big neon sign saying "DANGER will Robinson" :mad:
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Originally Posted by draganm
This whole thread has taken a turn toward monty Python type comedy. I mean Gino posts his new reference system to show off that he's rightfully proud of and it turns into an argument over whether the projectors should have come with a pair of $200. red C-elements. Oh well, I guess it was the worlds best projection system for at least 24 hours. :rolleyes: :D
So many funny jokes! :rolleyes: You obviously think filtering the red CRT is unimportant. You must have limited red acuity as CJ mentioned, or even color blindness in the red spectrum. To the rest of us, it's a big deal.

Tim, I truly believe you when you say it wasn't brought up or thought of. I think it's something you should consider adding to future blenzilla systems. Many of us think it's very important.
post #65 of 294
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Originally Posted by Phil Smith
Tim, I truly believe you when you say it wasn't brought up or thought of. I think it's something you should consider adding to future blenzilla systems. Many of us think it's very important.

Phil

Remind me when you place your order! :D
post #66 of 294
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Phil Smith
I didn't make that connection! You guys have the best HTs in the world as the result of hurting people for a living. How unfair is that! :D And you probably won't go to hell when you die, even though if life was fair, you would. :D
Wow.. that's a little harsh Phil... hell? :)

Anyway, nobody ever sees it like this but, a tooth ache is one of the most painful things to have right? Who else can you go to to actually get rid of this pain for you? :rolleyes:

The prices are so high to help with psychiatric fees for all the abuse we get...Before even meeting a patient I am told they hate me! :o
post #67 of 294
I was thinking of picking up couple of 9500lc's, but than I'd have to deal with the red c elements.

Could go with a couple of G90's. Naw then I'd need green c elements.

I'll just stick with the G70. :o
post #68 of 294
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Originally Posted by Azzad
'Local' that puts Australia into perspective when it is a 3000Km flight!

Doing my best to free up a slot in my time. You picked the worst time of year to get the gear Gino- sent it back and try again later in the year!

I'm instructing at the CEDIA Australia expo and also co-ordinating the ISF training which is running in Australia in 2 weeks. Then on top of all things I'm involved in the launch of the Pioneer PDP-5000 50" 1080p Plasma and CEDIA US is looming after this. Bad Bad timing.

Never fear - you've picked the right man for the job, with the exception of my schedule. Although I've never worked on a Marquee I regularly work on G90s and other high end CRT setups. Nothing will happen quickly but it will look awesome when we're done.

Aaron
I hope you don't take this wrong, but the main focus for this system would be Installation and setup. Not sure if your reference to "ISF" means that you're truly prepared to install these projectors as they should be. And I'm somewhat concerned with you not having ANY experience with the Marquee, though that does not mean that you would not do a good job.

Since ISF is your strength, and your schedule prevents you from getting this system installed until after Cedia (not sure when that is). Then it may be a good idea to have someone else get the system installed for you, and when your schedule frees up, you can do the calibration.

If a good setup guy is still needed from this end, I would recommend Terry (chuchuf). He would be perfect for this, so much so, that I've recommended him to the same folk that I also do work for. once he finishes, then bring in Aaron for the finals.

A lot of money was paid for this system to just have it sitting and waiting.

just a thought
post #69 of 294
Thread Starter 
The red C-element... the one flaw in my Twins.

I am in discussion with Chris regarding getting this mod done. cmjohnson - did you get my last PM? Aaron (local tech/ISF guy) does not want to change this for me as thinks is too risky and time consuming.

I wonder what you guys will pick on after I get this done :)
post #70 of 294
It's just jealousy, Gino. You're half the age of most of us here and you just dropped about 3-5x more on the twins & their cousin than most people spend on the whole HT! (10x more in my case!!!)

Ahhh, to be young again, with more money than I knew how to spend.... :D

Enjoy your toys, Gino. Don't let all the sour grapes around here bother you!
post #71 of 294
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS

I wonder what you guys will pick on after I get this done :)
Well, let's see, we've picked on your super expensive system. We've picked on your profession. What else ya got? :)

Dave
post #72 of 294
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mp20748
If a good setup guy is still needed from this end, I would recommend Terry (chuchuf). He would be perfect for this, so much so, that I've recommended him to the same folk that I also do work for. once he finishes, then bring in Aaron for the finals.

A lot of money was paid for this system to just have it sitting and waiting.
Mike, I'm a little confused as to what setup and installation entails, and what a full ISF calibration entails.

Do you think with Tim and your help, I could do a setup, and then get Aaron to tweak it (magnetics, colours, grey scale etc?)
post #73 of 294
Aaron is also a skilled CRT setup guy, the most experienced guy here (Sony, NEC, Barco).

Marquee is new to him, but not CRT. He owns a G90 and a G70, and used to have an Xtra, and before that 12xx's.
post #74 of 294
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Originally Posted by Phil Smith
So many funny jokes! :rolleyes: You obviously think filtering the red CRT is unimportant. You must have limited red acuity as CJ mentioned, or even color blindness in the red spectrum. To the rest of us, it's a big deal.
i can't help it, I'm just a funny guy. I think the red c-element is nice if your already replacing a tube. I wouldn't pull apart a PJ just to add it, but that's my own opnion.

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Originally Posted by Gino AUS
The prices are so high to help with psychiatric fees for all the abuse we get...Before even meeting a patient I am told they hate me! :o
I don't hate my dentist, I'm originally from a country where people are missing most of their teeth at age 40. So despite all the money I hand over, dentists are a luxury for well-off Americans to bitch about.
Installing the 2 marquee's would only be about twice as hard as a single one. :D I have installed 4 locally and the most imprtant part is having some adjustment. Tim had posted a pic earlier of a factory bracket mounted to 2 pieces of strut. I like the short 1" strut mounted perpendicular to the screen and then the bracket bolted to it.
the tricky thing about blendzilla is that the projectors need to be further apart as you move them further back from the screen. You would absolutley have to do a full set-up on a short and very strong table to verify distances from screen and seperation. Then transfer those measurements to the ceiling.
I would strongly suggest someone familiar with Marquees, a full re-set of the PJ's, re-set of the Green convergence grid. followed by full yoke alignment = raster centering , stig and flare . Then an anal retentive mechanical alignment to the screen with the whole mechanical focus, zone EM focus, and Scheimphlug, etc.
the last part would be green convergence to the screen and in the blend zone. Followed by R+B convergence x 4 , , and finally color temp. brightness and contrast.
After all this you would need to still tune the diventix in the blend zone. :eek: how much fun is that? even an Expert will have to take 2 full days to get this all right, and I would be feeding him the best quisine/hospitality over that period to insure no burn out and short-cuts. Hell, I might even hire some hookers to really kick things off ;)
post #75 of 294
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS
Mike, I'm a little confused as to what setup and installation entails, and what a full ISF calibration entails.

Do you think with Tim and your help, I could do a setup, and then get Aaron to tweak it (magnetics, colours, grey scale etc?)


Setup, Installation and calibration are all very different. Especially when it comes to stacks and blends. The first and most important thing for your system would be the "installation". And that's the part I'm more concerned with, because you'll need to make sure that the projectors are properly positioned to the screen to minimize drift and stress on the circuits, to include they'll need to be very soundly secured to the surface that they would be mounted to. this is VERY important, to minimize or eliminate drifting between the two units.

With blends and stacks, Installation is the most important thing.
post #76 of 294
OK Gino, what I want to know is, after you get this set up, how are you going to tear yourself out of the house to go make the money to pay for this? :D

Dave
post #77 of 294
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Originally Posted by tim
Phil

Remind me when you place your order! :D
:D Good one!
post #78 of 294
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS
Wow.. that's a little harsh Phil... hell? :)
Just kidding Gino! Blame it on my jealous rage. :D
post #79 of 294
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS
The red C-element... the one flaw in my Twins.

I am in discussion with Chris regarding getting this mod done. cmjohnson - did you get my last PM? Aaron (local tech/ISF guy) does not want to change this for me as thinks is too risky and time consuming.

I wonder what you guys will pick on after I get this done :)
Well its not the only flaw. If you do the red you should do the green as well !!


Hmmm, I could handle a trip to Cairns !! Shame it would be inside a dark room !!
post #80 of 294
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Originally Posted by Graham Johnson
Well its not the only flaw. If you do the red you should do the green as well !!
The Ultras come with a green.
post #81 of 294
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Originally Posted by Don Rombach
I was thinking of picking up couple of 9500lc's, but than I'd have to deal with the red c elements.

Could go with a couple of G90's. Naw then I'd need green c elements.

I'll just stick with the G70. :o
We G70 owners don't have these problems, do we Don. :p ;)
post #82 of 294
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Originally Posted by draganm
I don't hate my dentist...
I love my dentist. He also plays guitar like I do. We always have lots to talk about...that is, when my mouth isn't clamped open and he's hurting me! He's a cool guy, but if I never had to see him again, that would be fine with me. :D
post #83 of 294
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Originally Posted by Person99
OK Gino, what I want to know is, after you get this set up, how are you going to tear yourself out of the house to go make the money to pay for this? :D

Dave
Don't need to worry about that... already paid :cool:

Plus, the girlfriend I'm sure will not let me spend too much time each day with the Twins... she'll be jeolous!
post #84 of 294
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Originally Posted by mp20748
Setup, Installation and calibration are all very different. Especially when it comes to stacks and blends. The first and most important thing for your system would be the "installation". And that's the part I'm more concerned with, because you'll need to make sure that the projectors are properly positioned to the screen to minimize drift and stress on the circuits, to include they'll need to be very soundly secured to the surface that they would be mounted to. this is VERY important, to minimize or eliminate drifting between the two units.

With blends and stacks, Installation is the most important thing.
True Mike, but with a little help I don't see any reason Gino can't get it up and running...and running well.
post #85 of 294
Well, Gino, personally I don't consider C element replacement to be risky. Since I always sacrifice the bellows and put a new one in, and therefore cut the old one out entirely, removal of the front section is very simple and involves no significant forces. The assembly is always treated very gently and not even a fragile light bulb would break if treated as I treat an LC assembly.

I CAN do it for you, but shipping costs for the assemblies would run a few hundred bucks both ways and it WOULD subject the assemblies to the unknown risks involved with international shipment of glass articles.

I invite you to browse my photo gallery (click on my name to the left column) and there you will find a number of pics showing how the C element and bellows are changed out.

CJ
post #86 of 294
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Originally Posted by mp20748

If a good setup guy is still needed from this end, I would recommend Terry (chuchuf). He would be perfect for this, so much so, that I've recommended him to the same folk that I also do work for. once he finishes, then bring in Aaron for the finals.

Mike,

I got to tell you, I am not crazy about your suggestion. My 9500LC is in Terry's shop waiting for a new tube and c-elements from VDC, most people I know who go down under go for at least a couple of weeks and I am not sure if I could wait. :)

Gino,

One thing, prior to having anyone set it up, play with a rough set up yourself to get to know the projector and the Bendzilla. Once it is set up right, if you screw with it you risk messing up a good setup and it appears it is not easy for you to get them back to your home. You will need to know the projector well enough to do a little tweaking over time and playing with it now, risk free, is a good idea.

Also, I would imagine your first task is figuring how far away it should be from the screen and I would guess with the bendzilla there is no formula for it.
post #87 of 294
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Originally Posted by Phil Smith
True Mike, but with a little help I don't see any reason Gino can't get it up and running...and running well.
You're right. it's just that I don't want to be the one to say "you can do it"

Whichever way he goes with this, i'm on board. And i'm sure he'll have the help of so many others here, but getting the projectors in the right position is the main thing. And if he gets someone down his way to help put them in the right place - bingo!


The most confusing three letters on this forum is ISF - sorry
post #88 of 294
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Originally Posted by cmjohnson
Women often have superior color perception abilities in the red part of the spectrum.... Some women have superior ability to differentiate different shades of red compared to any man, and that's just the way it is.

CJ
Who cares as long as they have RED lip-stick, and nail polish on! :D

Couldn't resist. :p

redjr... :)
post #89 of 294
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Originally Posted by scottatl
One thing, prior to having anyone set it up, play with a rough set up yourself to get to know the projector and the Bendzilla. Once it is set up right, if you screw with it you risk messing up a good setup and it appears it is not easy for you to get them back to your home. You will need to know the projector well enough to do a little tweaking over time and playing with it now, risk free, is a good idea.

Also, I would imagine your first task is figuring how far away it should be from the screen and I would guess with the bendzilla there is no formula for it.
That is a good point! Once you hire someone to set it up, you won't want to mess with it and undo all the work you paid someone else to do. Now is the time to see if you can get it up and running yourself. Lots of AVS members can help you with the Marquees. Tim can help you with the Blendzilla.
post #90 of 294
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Originally Posted by scottatl
Gino, One thing, prior to having anyone set it up, play with a rough set up yourself to get to know the projector and the Bendzilla. Once it is set up right, if you screw with it you risk messing up a good setup and it appears it is not easy for you to get them back to your home. You will need to know the projector well enough to do a little tweaking over time and playing with it now, risk free, is a good idea.

Also, I would imagine your first task is figuring how far away it should be from the screen and I would guess with the bendzilla there is no formula for it.
Scott, I am hoping to have a little play with them this weekend if the girlfriend allows it. I have been spending so much time on the forums etc... that she's not too impressed. I hope my 12 months playing around with the 8500 will come in handy.

As for screen distances, its quite simple really. 121" wide screen, 20% overlap, which means each Ultra will do 60% of the screen, or 72.6". This means that one projector will have centre of green at 36.3" and the other at 84.7". Calculated throw for an Ultra with GT17 lenses at this width is about 113" or 111" along floor. Use strings to triangulate and there you have it. :)
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