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post #31 of 549
Hope you can give me some advise? I went to the local TV Audio store and was previously looking at the 62" Mitsubuishi Diamond Series which the store now doesn't have in stock so he tried to push me into the Sony KDS60a2000 saying that the LCD was much better than the DLP. He never mentioned the new line of Mitsubishi's coming out.
SO what do I do, what for the new Mitsubishi's or buy the Sony? And did they do alot of upgrades to the 2007 Diamond Models? Thanks for the help guys
post #32 of 549
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Originally Posted by vettebob View Post

Hope you can give me some advise? I went to the local TV Audio store and was previously looking at the 62" Mitsubuishi Diamond Series which the store now doesn't have in stock so he tried to push me into the Sony KDS60a2000 saying that the LCD was much better than the DLP. He never mentioned the new line of Mitsubishi's coming out.
SO what do I do, what for the new Mitsubishi's or buy the Sony? And did they do alot of upgrades to the 2007 Diamond Models? Thanks for the help guys

look in the Mits 73x 83x thread. Lots of folks have done side by side compares and seems the heavily loaded to the new mits tvs. the 731 series is in stores now. the 732 with some contrast improvements is due this month.
post #33 of 549
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

$5499 for the 73732 is quite a leap from $3699 for the 65732. If HH Gregg carries either the 73732 or if only they'd carry the 73831 or 65831 I've typically been able to get them to discount 17-20% off a TV of this size. If only I may be interested. They'll carry the 65732 for sure though if nothing else.

The 65831 will arrive at Ultimate Electronics around Aug 18 in wherehouse and at my house arond 20 to the 25th... Before the 731...
This is from Mitsu direct.... barring unforseen production problems....
Quote from Mitsu Exec "everything has been on time so far "

I just seeled the deal on the first one .....
In Las Vegas we have an awesome store manager that really knows how to treat customers as they should... Kyle Harrison.... The trurth and Nothing but the Truth... what else can you ask for?

You can only really tell how good the business is that you are dealing with by when something goes wrong.... then you find out who is what and where ....?

They passed the test from the store level on up thru the corporate level and back down to a one on one.... GREAT experience buying from them
post #34 of 549
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Originally Posted by vettebob View Post

Hope you can give me some advise? I went to the local TV Audio store and was previously looking at the 62" Mitsubuishi Diamond Series which the store now doesn't have in stock so he tried to push me into the Sony KDS60a2000 saying that the LCD was much better than the DLP. He never mentioned the new line of Mitsubishi's coming out.
SO what do I do, what for the new Mitsubishi's or buy the Sony? And did they do alot of upgrades to the 2007 Diamond Models? Thanks for the help guys

Whatever you do wait one about one more month. The picture should be quite clear about this time.

JVC 97 (however with not even a small about of residual green , Mits 732/831 (possible thinking is 150w bulb for 57" and 180" bulb for 65" for a hard hitting picture), Samsung LED wild card model, and Sammy HLS series but only with specialized back-door calibration:

"Samsung's Movie mode also boasts an industry first. The color points for its primary and secondary colors are said to be different from those used for the other viewing modes, which are exaggerated and oversaturated. The latter is typical of most sets these days. Some people actually prefer the more vivid factory color to true color accuracy. With the HL-S series, you have a choice of which color space (accurate vs. exaggerated) to use. It's as simple as changing viewing modes.

(Because of the oversaturated colors of earlier Samsung sets, a few ISF calibrators have, for several years now, been using a special technique hidden within the firmware of Samsung sets to correct the color points. Video guru Joe Kane first took advantage of this technique for setting correct colors when he worked on the design of the Samsung SP-H700AE DLP Projector. But this technique requires special equipment, is not a normal part of an ISF calibration, and it's something that can't even be done at all with any competing set we know of.) "
This well kept secret needs wide dispertion...

So this is where I am today. My primary goal is to buy a display where I will not need to replace it in a year. 2005 was a disaster in rear projection, 2006 outlook look appears to be better (except Sony who has regressed with their A2000 - a cost cut disappointment). Many geeks apparently like being taken to the cleaners. Not this one

For whatever display I buy, I will be posting close-up pictures to show the zero distortion of 1920*1080p 1:1 pixel mapping and the gross distortions of pixel scaling.
post #35 of 549
Thread Starter 
Speaking about how those in the industry who plan keeping the consumer barefoot and stupid:
This Sunday's Best Buy advertises the Mitsubishi 731 and lists a PC input.
Now what exactly is a PC input? Answer: it is a vague almost meaningless term!

Several years ago it used to mean an analog 15 pin VGA input. But at least then, every computer display could accept an input at its own native resolution.

So what do advertiser do today to sell inferior products but still claim PC input?

Take the 2006 Mits line with PC input. (Mits calls it True1080p)
Here it means an digital DVI-I input which can accept either a pure digital input (or analog) at the displays native resolution of 1920*1080@60Hz. No scaling is performed whatsoever.

Take the SXRD line with PC input. Advertisers lead you to believe that both are the same. This is far from the truth.
For SXRD it means the source must convert the signal from digital to analog, then send it over the VGA cable, then the display must convert the analog signal back to digital. Even worse the Sony SXRD will not even accept a signal through their PC input at the displays native 1920*1080 resolution. Why can it only accept up to 1366*768 resolution? Is this the real/defacto resolution?
The ultimate answer is because it is nearly impossible for the SXRD's three panels/sources of light to be PERFECTLY recombined using a single optical prism. There will always be errors which manifest themselves as miconvergence. Instead of seeing a single distinct white line you see separate red, green and blue lines like a rainbow. Some areas of the screen can be much worse than others. In any event some mistake this softness for a film-like image.
To cover up these errors, Sony forces the above limitations which introduce their own errors. Never allow fine text in the corners as it is bound to be its blurriest there. Their scheming hopes that you the consumer will never be able to figure out this somewhat complicated situation. If Sony were to allow real PC input, people would start complaining that reading blurry text (such as in surfing the Internet) gives them a headache. So the philosophy is to keep them dazed and confused and rely on brand loyalty instead.

So Best Buy is not being fair to Mitsubishi in simply claiming PC input. The end result of this mess, in that every few weeks someone starts a thread about not being able to use their expensive SXRD with their computer.
With its separate industry standard DVI PC input, the 2006 Mits line offers a truly superior low distortion input. As a result the Mitsubishi line is a far better match even for Sony's own (forever delayed) PS3.

Bottom line: There is no good reason why a display should not be able to accept digital data from any source and display it clearly, as the technology exists to do so today.
post #36 of 549
A bit of confusion here, reincarnate, you said that the 65" 732 will have the 180w bulb? I thought that would only be in the 831 sets.

Also, any thoughts on the reflectivity of the new screen on the 831 vs the 732? Does high contrast mean that it will also be more reflective of room light from windows?
post #37 of 549
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Originally Posted by Free View Post

A bit of confusion here, reincarnate, you said that the 65" 732 will have the 180w bulb? I thought that would only be in the 831 sets.

Also, any thoughts on the reflectivity of the new screen on the 831 vs the 732? Does high contrast mean that it will also be more reflective of room light from windows?

Given the same wattage/lumen output, a smaller screen will have a brighter output than the larger one.
So for daylight type rooms:
57" 150w --> 732 series
65" 180w --> 831 series

mainly darkened rooms:
57" or 65" 150w --> 732 series

As for the new screen what we will need to do is to critically view/compare them to see which one is the most transparent. It is a wildcard. The 731 series does suffer from low contrast. So maybe the 831 with the dark detailer, higher wattage bulb and high contrast screen is a ticket.
Anyone know the pros and cons of each type of screen in the 732 and the 831?
Also is the optical lens glass, plastic or both?
post #38 of 549
That is a good point about the screen size. As for glass or plastic, I guess we need to see some spec's on the 831 to see if it weighs more.

I would also like to see if the cabinet dimensions are changed over the 732 and 731 series.
post #39 of 549
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Originally Posted by Free View Post

That is a good point about the screen size. As for glass or plastic, I guess we need to see some spec's on the 831 to see if it weighs more.

I would also like to see if the cabinet dimensions are changed over the 732 and 731 series.

Looks like the 65831 weighs 4lbs. more than the 732.
post #40 of 549
Where did you find the specs? I can't even find the specs for the 732 on Mits. web site.
post #41 of 549
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Originally Posted by Free View Post

That is a good point about the screen size. As for glass or plastic, I guess we need to see some spec's on the 831 to see if it weighs more.

I would also like to see if the cabinet dimensions are changed over the 732 and 731 series.

The screen is very different...... when I tried to touch it , I felt like a child with his hand about to be slapped... hehehehe...
High High Contrast and High clear punched up color....

Just a little longer... 13-16 days and the 831 will show up before the 732...
I can't say much more about screen without violating non-disclosure agreement... it is not clip on or detatchable.....

"Teach"
post #42 of 549
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Originally Posted by Free View Post

Where did you find the specs? I can't even find the specs for the 732 on Mits. web site.

Go to the Mits webside and click on the 731. The 732 shows up as an alternative choice in the lower left side of the page.
post #43 of 549
I see that, but there are no dimension or weight specifications listed, or linked, for the 732. Only on the 731 page.
post #44 of 549
I have a 65731. When I turn it on, it defaults to the Cable-1 input, even though Cable-1 (and Cable-2) are not hooked up. The only input to the TV I am using is Component 1. I have tried rearranging the input icons but it has not done anything.

Is there any way to make the Component 1 input the default input?

Thanks!
post #45 of 549
On my Mits (a few years older than these models, admittedly), you could turn off inputs you're not using, so they won't show up on the TV unless you specifically turn them back on in the menu.
post #46 of 549
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Originally Posted by suprmallet View Post

On my Mits (a few years older than these models, admittedly), you could turn off inputs you're not using, so they won't show up on the TV unless you specifically turn them back on in the menu.

I had a 65" Mitsubishi that I bought in 2003 and was able to turn off all the inputs that were not being used and they did not show up as icons. On the new one it does not appear that you can do this...at least I have not yet been able to figure out how to!

Thanks for the reply!!
post #47 of 549
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Originally Posted by RFDiii View Post

I have a 65731. When I turn it on, it defaults to the Cable-1 input, even though Cable-1 (and Cable-2) are not hooked up. The only input to the TV I am using is Component 1. I have tried rearranging the input icons but it has not done anything.

Is there any way to make the Component 1 input the default input?

Thanks!

I think the Ultimate A/V reviewer mentioned that this happened to him. I believe that he disconnected the component input and reconnected it and then the TV recognized it as the default.
post #48 of 549
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Originally Posted by Free
Where did you find the specs? I can't even find the specs for the 732 on Mits. web site.
Here are the spec sheets for the 732 and 831 series.

 

732Specsheet_v2.pdf 78.7666015625k . file

 

831Specsheet_v2.pdf 78.2177734375k . file
post #49 of 549
MSRP for the 65831 is $4199. When I talked to my Mits rep on Thursday, production hadn't started yet. ETA for the 65831 was end of August.
post #50 of 549
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

MSRP for the 65831 is $4199. When I talked to my Mits rep on Thursday, production hadn't started yet. ETA for the 65831 was end of August.

3700 to 4100 MSRP is to small of a price difference and will not be too much of a factor in deciding which to buy. Top of the line Mits projectors have carried glass lens in the past. We have a few weeks to learn more about the screen and lens. Quality optical lens do make a noticeable difference in picture quality.
post #51 of 549
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Originally Posted by tenguru View Post

The screen is very different...... when I tried to touch it , I felt like a child with his hand about to be slapped... hehehehe...
High High Contrast and High clear punched up color....

Just a little longer... 13-16 days and the 831 will show up before the 732...
I can't say much more about screen without violating non-disclosure agreement... it is not clip on or detatchable.....

"Teach"

Teach,

We're you able to directly compare the 65731 w/ the 65831? Is their a noticable difference with the high contrast screena and the 180W bulb?

The 731 is incredibly bright. It sounds of specs alone the 831 would be too bright. Especailly at a seating distance of only 10'.
post #52 of 549
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

Teach,

We're you able to directly compare the 65731 w/ the 65831? Is their a noticable difference with the high contrast screena and the 180W bulb?

The 731 is incredibly bright. It sounds of specs alone the 831 would be too bright. Especailly at a seating distance of only 10'.

Have not seen the 831 yet, but have played with the 732. It is a very nice set. The high contrast screen is darker than the screen on the 732.
post #53 of 549
The weight on those specs is the same for the 65732 and 65831. Given that glass usually weighs more than plastic it would make me wonder if there is just some sort of high contrast coating on the 831.

Ruin
post #54 of 549
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Originally Posted by longshot View Post

Teach,

We're you able to directly compare the 65731 w/ the 65831? Is their a noticable difference with the high contrast screena and the 180W bulb?

The 731 is incredibly bright. It sounds of specs alone the 831 would be too bright. Especailly at a seating distance of only 10'.

No, I could not do a direct compare.....
The person I spoke to said that the brightest setting was mainly for brightly lit showrooms.... when turned down to lowest setting look as good to me as the 731 on med to brightest setting

I did notice (going from memory) as I just saw 2 731's early that day... played with my friends 731 all afternoom.... that night , looking at the 831 screen, I would say there was a punching up of the colors and contrast that I never achevied on his 731... My buds set was in a dark room... so the lighting was very diffeerent and I didn't get to play with any settings on the 831....
NO BODY TOUCHED THE DEMO MACHINES.... They were set up and precalibrated.... I just noticed that it added a luster that I only see in Plasma sets............ very subjective, unless there was a side by side...

But, It was enought to sway me from the 732 to the 831. That and the price to me was not that much more. Mitsu rep said the 831 will be at UE before the 732 and it should be on the floor for sale no later than the Aug 22nd...
post #55 of 549
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Have not seen the 831 yet, but have played with the 732. It is a very nice set. The high contrast screen is darker than the screen on the 732.

Don't quite understand.. I have seen the 831.. I have not seen the 732.....
I have seen 5 different 731... the screen is identical with the 731 & 732...
Mitsu rep was clear on that... The stratergy seems to be... release the bottom of the line set.. 731.. then the top.. 831... then the middle models will ship...

Only the higher end will have the High Contrast screens and the super turbo 180w lamp.....
post #56 of 549
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

MSRP for the 65831 is $4199. When I talked to my Mits rep on Thursday, production hadn't started yet. ETA for the 65831 was end of August.

So who is correct? Tenguru (teach) attended a demonstration of the 831 this past weekend with Mits people who claim the set will be delivered by the 20th of August. Your Mits guy says production hasn't even started on the 831. If this is true there's no way they will be in stores in a couple weeks.

I have the 731 and told my dealer I wanted the 732 but based on tenguru's (teach) impressions I just might opt for the 831 as I would really like the high contrast screen. Their is a world of difference on the 73" sets between the high contrast screen model (927?) and the non high contrast models.
post #57 of 549
"I have seen 5 different 731... the screen is identical with the 731 & 732..."

Correct. I didn't say there was a difference. As for shipping and production, I am just going by what I was told Thursday. I was told that both units ship around the same time (end of August), maybe the 831 will ship a few days before.

I hope it comes by the 20th as I get mine before they ever go out on the floor. We are backed up on pre-orders.

S~
post #58 of 549
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

"I have seen 5 different 731... the screen is identical with the 731 & 732..."

Correct. I didn't say there was a difference. As for shipping and production, I am just going by what I was told Thursday. I was told that both units ship around the same time (end of August), maybe the 831 will ship a few days before.

I hope it comes by the 20th as I get mine before they ever go out on the floor. We are backed up on pre-orders.

S~

At this point I guess we really don't know as to what rep is right or are they all guessibg , hoping and praying when they give us these dates....

All I know is what I have been told... MY SET the 65831 will be in the warehose at around the 18th to the 25th and the 732 will be at about a week or 2 later... it might be slightly different for other stores as they like to cause model confusions
are cute stuff like that... CC 732 cabinett on 731 call it a "Y" something
ect... Cosco anothe rspecial mix and match set
post #59 of 549
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

"I have seen 5 different 731... the screen is identical with the 731 & 732..."

Correct. I didn't say there was a difference. As for shipping and production, I am just going by what I was told Thursday. I was told that both units ship around the same time (end of August), maybe the 831 will ship a few days before.

I hope it comes by the 20th as I get mine before they ever go out on the floor. We are backed up on pre-orders.

S~

So you are a Mits dealer?
post #60 of 549
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So you are a Mits dealer?

We do custom installs. We are everybody's dealers.
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