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post #331 of 549
The 831's have arrived in South Florida - TWEETER! Mine is being delivered tomorrow afternoon! Cant wait.
post #332 of 549
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Originally Posted by rlu929s View Post

Sweet, Well that's good to know! I guess then my next question would go along with gtsorbet in is it neccassary to buy the expensive ones for a better signal.

I would also assume you TV would need some kind of internal tuner. For instance my Plasma which is the commerical model probably wouldn't pick it up without a box of some sort.

Is that correct?

EDIT: I realize though that the 831 comes with one as posted above. Just wondering if I could go get one and see local HD channels while I wait for my 831.

I suspect you don't need a real expensive antenna, these sets seem to have excellent over the air tuners but for a set-top it will need an amplifier. I have cable, but I also connected my TV to a cheapo antenna in my attic. It is one of the standard Yagi antennas you see on the roof, but was installed in the attic to get it out of the weather. I get great reception through the roof, without a signal amplifier. I even get a beautiful picture from an HD station located 40 miles away and at a right angle to the direction the antenna is pointing. I'll have to wait for winter to see how it all works when the roof shingles are wet and more conductive.
post #333 of 549
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Originally Posted by BadClams View Post

Does this mean the Mits HDMI ports do NOT handle 480i?

According to the Mits fact sheet on their web site the HDMI input does accept 480i

I would attach the pdf but the file is to large. It's on the Mits web site when you are looking at the spec sheet PDF on the 65831
post #334 of 549
I emailed Oppo and ask them which DVD player they suggest for a WD-65831 and they wrote back to buy the HD970. I know Smeeg has had great results with his 971 but I'm going to try the 970. I'll let you know how it looks when I get it in and hooked up.

Question, where is the cheapest place to get a calibration disk and is there a best one?
post #335 of 549
I saw Supra's post on the arrival of the 65831 in So Fla and called my guy at Sound Advice in west kendall (suburb of Miami) and he said they did come in and I am currently scheduled for Saturday, and he will try a see if it can be delivered earlier. Supra - I am envious of the fact that you got a Wednsday delivery. But, see if you can get them to work on the price... I'll bet they will lower it if you ask them to match the price I got.
post #336 of 549
I got the 65831 and am quite happy with the picture quality of HD. However, I am having some difficulty with the quality of the SD picture. I have tried to change the output from the Cox SA 8300 to 480i, but I don't get a picture at that point (blue screen only). For SD channels, I only get 1080i input.

Any advice?
post #337 of 549
Got it (57831)! Size-wise it may work. It is sitting higher than I wish on the Bush stand from BB. It was tilted twice in and out of the truck when the box clearing states not to. Strange burning smell from it. When I walk into the house it almost smells like the oven is on. I am still waffling on upgrading to the 65" within the next 30 days. One thing is certain, I need to make some adjustments. Smegg, what is your latest recommendation? Currently, I only have SD. Comcast is coming tomorrow to install the cable card.



Edit: I have HD & SD w/o a cable card and only basic cable. No HD Discovery or ESPN though.
post #338 of 549
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Originally Posted by gravityhotspot View Post

I emailed Oppo and ask them which DVD player they suggest for a WD-65831 and they wrote back to buy the HD970. I know Smeeg has had great results with his 971 but I'm going to try the 970. I'll let you know how it looks when I get it in and hooked up.

Be sure to try 480i output.

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Question, where is the cheapest place to get a calibration disk and is there a best one?

DVE was developed by Joe Kane for digital TV. I would use that one with Eliab's instructions. You can get it at Amazon or DVD stores like Borders.

Eliab on using DVE
post #339 of 549
I had a chance to see the 65831 today. I'm not shopping so all I did was look. I like it's appearance a lot.

SSE is something that doesn't bother me which is a good thing because it's easy to see if I switch my focus from the image to the screen when watching our DLP TV. Doing that with the 831 I could see some SSE, but it seems to be much improved over what I've seen on sets without glass screens (Qualia).

It wasn't a real test because the film they were playing was fairly dark and I didn't want to take the trouble to have a bright image put up. The next time I'm in the market the 831 or it's successor will be high on my list.

They had a good viewing area and the set was in Bright mode. There was some lost detail in the dark areas but I'm sure that was due to lack of calibration. Skin tones were very good and over all colors were also very good. The source was probably a HD movie from satellite, but I'm sorry to say that I didn't ask.
post #340 of 549
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Originally Posted by savora View Post

I got the 65831 and am quite happy with the picture quality of HD. However, I am having some difficulty with the quality of the SD picture. I have tried to change the output from the Cox SA 8300 to 480i, but I don't get a picture at that point (blue screen only). For SD channels, I only get 1080i input.

Any advice?

I had the same problem with 480 content. Make sure you 8300 is set to a 16x9 TV format. Then you can enable 480p or 480i (I use 480p). If you don't like the grey bars you can set the 8300 to stretch and set the TV format to Narrow and that will give you a regualar aspect 4x3 image with out the grey bars.

With other brand HDTVs I was able to set the 8300 to 4x3 mode which essentially passed any format to the TV as native but it does not work on the Mits. I only get a blue screen on the HDMI input. I did not try Component.
post #341 of 549
First post. Just popped in to say hi. My 65831 will be delivered in about a half hour. I'm excited about that. I didn't buy it based on the info in this forum as I actually found this forum after I had ordered the set. Although, I must say its been fun and interesting following the mits threads.

Seems like I may have made a good choice. I am a little concerned regarding the 720p vs 1080i input issue, but we'll just have to see how this turns out.

Being new, one thing I find interesting reading the posts here is that it seems cable feeds are by far the majority. I've had satellite for about 10 years I think, and always happy with it. Am I missing something?

And, thanks for all the good info...I've learned most all of the acronyms
post #342 of 549
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Originally Posted by Fred S View Post

And, thanks for all the good info...I've learned most all of the acronyms

You have to be acronymble around here
post #343 of 549
Checking back in. Early impressions are very good. Started with smeeg's settings and then I've been playing with them from there.

No sparks, shimmering, RBE (so far), and SSE is quite good I think. I have two seating positions from 12 ft and 9 ft & I prefer 9 feet. PQ is quite good. IMO seems to be handling SD just fine.

I set the satellite box on "all" so it passes through resolution as its received.

All is good so far.

Haven't cranked up the 970HD yet. Thats' next.
post #344 of 549
I had my 65-831 delivered today. So far so good, but i'm only running on analog cable. The picture quality is as expected, okay on some channels, bad on others. I'm getting my HDTV cable with DVR installed tomorrow, so I will comment tomorrow on the PQ, especially after the thursday night HDTV game on ESPN.

On another note, the styling of this set is beautiful. The black piano finish looks great.

I bought the BDI 9640B stand, and it matches the piano black perfectly. I would highly recommend the stand. Its a snap to put together and is extra wide long (i hate small stands with big tvs).

post #345 of 549
I like this thread, but there is already an 831 owners' thread with a slightly different name and slightly broader scope (includes 73x owners). There seems to be no reason to have 2 forums with 90% overlap, so why don't we stick with one of them? The other one seems to have a little more momentum, so that one seems to make more sense. You may have to wade through the occasional post on the 73x or 73" 831 that does not come up here, but it may be illuminating given the similarity in video processing.

Just a thought. This noob is just a bit perplexed at the thread setup and the need to check 2 threads with the same subject.
post #346 of 549
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Originally Posted by SupraLB View Post

I had my 65-831 delivered today. So far so good, but i'm only running on analog cable. The picture quality is as expected, okay on some channels, bad on others. I'm getting my HDTV cable with DVR installed tomorrow, so I will comment tomorrow on the PQ, especially after the thursday night HDTV game on ESPN.

On another note, the styling of this set is beautiful. The black piano finish looks great.

I bought the BDI 9640B stand, and it matches the piano black perfectly. I would highly recommend the stand. Its a snap to put together and is extra wide long (i hate small stands with big tvs).


Can I ask where you can get a nice stand like this, and the cost?
Also does it have a way to hide the wiring?

phxsons
post #347 of 549
has anyone had their set tweaked professionally?
if so please share some settings excluding service menu tweaks

thanks
post #348 of 549
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post #349 of 549
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Originally Posted by phxsons View Post

Can I ask where you can get a nice stand like this, and the cost?
Also does it have a way to hide the wiring?

phxsons

The full name is:
Becker Designed Inc. 9640B Deploy Max TV Stand

MSRP is $800

Site here:
http://www.bdiusa.com/

Page here:
http://www.bdiusa.com/avfurniture/deploy_max.shtml

I've had a lot of people refer me to them before for nice looking stands. Expensive though (comparatively speakng)
post #350 of 549
Downloaded the owners guide so it is now posted at the link below

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/img/287664

This covers all of the xx831 line of HDTV from Mitsubishi

The 57" model is to be deliveried tomorrow morning. I will try to post some pictures if I find time in between projects and tweaking the tv.


Best to all,
James
post #351 of 549
Thread Starter 
Thanks for posting the link to the manual. We see the details of the displays input capability:

The high performance PC DVI-I input connector is missing from almost all rear projection displays. But there is one exception. Lets look at the specifications for the Mitsubishi 831 series. Digital done almost perfectly right:
HDMI standard connector*
Video:
60 Hz: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
24 Hz30 Hz,, 60 Hz: 1080p
* The HDMI inputs on this TV are not intended for use with personal computers or devices outputting video signals with computer resolutions.

PC DVI-I Input**:
VGA (640 x 480, 60 Hz)
W-VGA (848 x 480, 60 Hz)
SVGA (800 x 600, 60 Hz)
W-SVGA (1064 x 600, 60 Hz)
XGA (1024 x 768, 60 Hz)
1280 x 720, 60 Hz
SXGA (1280 x 1024, 60 Hz)
1920 x 1080 (24 Hz, 30 Hz, 60 Hz)
WXGA (1360 x 768, 60 Hz)
**not for use with other audio/video products

Note that both the HDMI and DVI-I connectors accept 1920*1080, 24Hz which is the native encode rate for the new HD discs.

Mitsubishi 2007 displays were designed to be used with computers. Why?
because the displays electronics and lens have the contrast, clarity and resolution and bandwidth to clearly display single pixel wide text at the panels native resolution. Special thanks go to the designers who made first class, high caliber design decisions here.
Hopefully these cost-cut shortcomings in other displays are now all the more obvious to see. Think of what you could own the next time you see the obsolete 1366*768 crap analog VGA connector thrown in as an afterthought.

The only improvement is that Mits should fine tune the optical magnification so that the full 1920*1080 pixels are displayed and cover 100% of the screen. There is no need for ANY overscan. Maybe next year.
post #352 of 549
sorry i've neglected to post my settings on the owners thread. i just get tired of going back and forth. as more people are now getting 831s, maybe we could all just move over here? maybe?

anyway, on these settings, i'm pretty happy with everything. i had the color bars up on my oppo, but the final nod always went to the tv's color bar which is conveniently displayed in the PerfectColor menu at the same time. after making any adjustments, i'd flip over to my cable input, check the settings, and adjust them again so the color bar looked as accurate as possible through the color filters. green is probably the most needing of some sm correction, but i've done pretty good adjusting for it. yellow and magenta were also a little troublesome.

i did see some instances of banding last night on discoveryHD and i'm going to look at whether my contrast setting is not just a bit too high. also, there may be a slight red push that i have not been accounting for. if you see any evidence of this, let me know.

so here are the updates to my settings, which will probably not be the ideal settings for you. if you need an extra little kick, throw on DFI, but i wouldn't leave it on all the time. i'm making it a source dependent setting.

Color Temp: High
Sharpness: 0-6 with VNR off, 6-13 with VNR on low
Tint: 27
Color: 27
Brightness: 34
Contrast: 42
Picture Mode: Natural
Video Noise Reduction: off (most of the time, or Low if absolutely necessary)
SharpEdge: off
DeepField: off

Perfect Color
Magenta: 33
Red: 35
Yellow: 38
Green: 56
Cyan: 38
Blue: 44

Perfect Tint
Magenta: 51
Red: 31
Yellow: 24 for accurate yellow, 17 for any kind of green/yellow color correction
Green: 11
Cyan: 44
Blue: 24
post #353 of 549
Smeeg, thanks very much for posting your settings. I've forgotten--do you have the 65831?
And your input is the Oppo 971 and Comcast cable?
post #354 of 549
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Originally Posted by SailorKane View Post

Smeeg, thanks very much for posting your settings. I've forgotten--do you have the 65831?
And your input is the Oppo 971 and Comcast cable?

i've got the 57831, oppo 971, cox(sux) cable
post #355 of 549
Hi,

I've been watching this thread (and the other one) for over a month now and received a lot of great information.

This past Saturday, Tweeter called and told me the TV is in...so I went and picked it up. Needless to say I'm TOTALLY impressed. I'm still messing around with the settings although Smeeg has done a lot of the ground work for me....THANKS.

I also picked up a center channel shelf to put on top of the TV (since i feel it sounds better then close to the floor)....The trick with this shelf is to not install the front feet, but use Velcro to hold it behind the lip of the TV....Works perfectly....and looks great.

The Cable quality is outstanding..
The XBOX quality is outstanding..

The only thing I'm still left to figure out is the Oppo 971. Yesterday I got mine in the mail, connected it via the DVI/HDMI connector and upgraded to the latest firmware. I have to say....i don't like it. I've been reading other posts and i think i have the settings correct, but i think i get better quality output from my 3 year old Samsung VCR/DVD combo using very cheap component cables....Does that sound right? For source DVDs i've tried Incredibles, StarWars3, and the new Dream Theater disk (all originals). I notice way too much blockiness....especially when FF or using slow. Smeeg, any thoughts?

Rez

Here's my current setup.

TV = Mitsubishi DLP 57831
Cable = Comcast DVR (Motorola DCT3412) connected via MonoPrice 24AWG HDMI cable
DVD = Oppo OPDV971H connected via Oppo DVI to HDMI cable
XBOX connected via Monster Cable Gamelink 400x and Lightwave 100x
Power = Belkin PureAV PF40
TV Stand = Pinnacle Design TV Stand TR50X3B (made for Samsung)
Center Channel Stand = OmniMount Center-Channel Speaker Shelf (CCH1P)
post #356 of 549
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Originally Posted by SupraLB View Post

I had my 65-831 delivered today. So far so good, but i'm only running on analog cable. The picture quality is as expected, okay on some channels, bad on others. I'm getting my HDTV cable with DVR installed tomorrow, so I will comment tomorrow on the PQ, especially after the thursday night HDTV game on ESPN.

On another note, the styling of this set is beautiful. The black piano finish looks great.

I bought the BDI 9640B stand, and it matches the piano black perfectly. I would highly recommend the stand. Its a snap to put together and is extra wide long (i hate small stands with big tvs).


thats one ugly stand. But I guess if it matches the TV.
post #357 of 549
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Originally Posted by Rezinator View Post

The only thing I'm still left to figure out is the Oppo 971. Yesterday I got mine in the mail, connected it via the DVI/HDMI connector and upgraded to the latest firmware. I have to say....i don't like it. I've been reading other posts and i think i have the settings correct, but i think i get better quality output from my 3 year old Samsung VCR/DVD combo using very cheap component cables....Does that sound right? For source DVDs i've tried Incredibles, StarWars3, and the new Dream Theater disk (all originals). I notice way too much blockiness....especially when FF or using slow. Smeeg, any thoughts?

Maybe some setting in the oppo not correct? I purchased the 970 oppo, hooked it up to 65831, watched StarWars3, and was blown away. I tried the oppo on both 720p and 1080i output, and I think the 720p worked a little better letting the mits do the rest of the upconverting.
post #358 of 549
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Originally Posted by Rezinator View Post

Hi,

I've been watching this thread (and the other one) for over a month now and received a lot of great information.

This past Saturday, Tweeter called and told me the TV is in...so I went and picked it up. Needless to say I'm TOTALLY impressed. I'm still messing around with the settings although Smeeg has done a lot of the ground work for me....THANKS.

I also picked up a center channel shelf to put on top of the TV (since i feel it sounds better then close to the floor)....The trick with this shelf is to not install the front feet, but use Velcro to hold it behind the lip of the TV....Works perfectly....and looks great.

The Cable quality is outstanding..
The XBOX quality is outstanding..

The only thing I'm still left to figure out is the Oppo 971. Yesterday I got mine in the mail, connected it via the DVI/HDMI connector and upgraded to the latest firmware. I have to say....i don't like it. I've been reading other posts and i think i have the settings correct, but i think i get better quality output from my 3 year old Samsung VCR/DVD combo using very cheap component cables....Does that sound right? For source DVDs i've tried Incredibles, StarWars3, and the new Dream Theater disk (all originals). I notice way too much blockiness....especially when FF or using slow. Smeeg, any thoughts?

Rez

Here's my current setup.

TV = Mitsubishi DLP 57831
Cable = Comcast DVR (Motorola DCT3412) connected via MonoPrice 24AWG HDMI cable
DVD = Oppo OPDV971H connected via Oppo DVI to HDMI cable
XBOX connected via Monster Cable Gamelink 400x and Lightwave 100x
Power = Belkin PureAV PF40
TV Stand = Pinnacle Design TV Stand TR50X3B (made for Samsung)
Center Channel Stand = OmniMount Center-Channel Speaker Shelf (CCH1P)

Rez, I'm not that farimliar with the Oppo's settings, but if you can control what it outputs, set it to output 480p and let the Mits upscale to the 1080p. Do *not* set the Oppo to output any i-resolution (720i, 1080i, etc.) and I think it's been discussed here before that the scaler in the Mits is fantastic while the scaler in other devices are hit and miss, so just output the full DVD signal at 480p and let the Mits take it from there.

As far as not doing any i-resolution, you don't want to force the signal to go from progressive to interlaced and then have the TV convert it back to progressive again, way too much processing and signal degredation as opposed to a nice 2-step: 480p -> 1080p
post #359 of 549
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Originally Posted by rsk View Post

... if you can control what it outputs, set it to output 480p and let the Mits upscale to the 1080p. Do *not* set the Oppo to output any i-resolution (720i, 1080i, etc.)

Another reason to stay with 480p is that the Mits can't do aspect ratio adjustments (like Expand and Zoom) on 720 or 1080. This makes it unable to handle non-anamorphic DVDs at those resolutions.

This will be a real problem for Toshiba HD-DVD players.
post #360 of 549
Anyone who has ordered one direct through Mits Bucks have an ETA on delivery or anyone received theirs yet?
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