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I have my pick of Room Size !

post #1 of 45
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My wife and I have decided we need a larger home. We had twin boys about 1.5 years ago and can see our current house shrinking on a daily basis.

We've been searching for a home with a theater being one of the top priorities. We found one that is at the top of our list right now, But before contracting with them I wanted to get everyones input on how to best use the space. The basement will give us a space of 45'x30'x9' ceilings. Not in my wildest dreams did I ever think I would be blessed with a space like this. Therefore, in all of my reading on this forum, I never paid much attention to the larger room theaters.

Here is a list of our desires:

1. Seat about 10-12 with overflow capacity of about 20.
2. Screen size can be constant height with maximum width of about 144"
3. All equipment needs to be located outside of viewing room (except for projector)
4. Room will be used for 70% movies, 30% sporting events.
5. Budget for electonics will likely never exceed about $12,000 (I give this not for equipment selection, more to give an idea of what budget range the room might fall in)
6. Lobby area with ticket booth, popcorn/snack area
7. Game room, with pool table/pingpong, darts, card table

I'm attaching my first stab at a layout, but want to hear some input. At this point, the theater design itself is just sketched in quickly. My main concern is determining wall placement, as this will dictate where the builder puts support posts.

I would be willing to use a much larger portion of the basement for theater if it was needed for my purposes.

Hopefully, this thread will turn right into "Twinsletown II" construction thread!

 

BASEMENT PRELIM.pdf 8.0234375k . file
post #2 of 45
Thread Starter 
Wow, 86 reads and two days time with no responses!

My basic question is, if you had a 45x30'x9' blank canvas, what dimensions would you carve out for your theater based on my criteria?

I've got some time to plan, as we will likely not sign with the builder for another 30-60 days. But at that time, he needs to know where he can put supports.

Come on guys and gals!
post #3 of 45
Use Terry Montlick's room size calculator to get good dimensions for acoustics:

http://www.tmlaboratories.com/Room_D...Calculator.xls

You will probably want something on the order of 20'x30' to get that quantity of people in (think room for 3 rows of 6).

Andy K.
post #4 of 45
I will work with the builder to see the plans they are offering. For structural and cost-effecience reasons, they will have to put the support poles in the middle of somewhere. They can probably move the poles a bit father away but then the beams need to be a bit bigger and they need their engineers and architets to revise the designs and get approved. You probably end up paying for the re-design and the extra strength support beams/poles.

Not an expert by any stretch, just a homeowner with 2 poles in the middle of my otherwise perfect basement area for an HT.
post #5 of 45
If you put the beam supports (you will probably need two) along the 30' length you will have two 22.5' x 30' spaces, which will maximize the usefulness of that basement space.

Andy K.
post #6 of 45
I'm too jealous to comment. ;-)
post #7 of 45
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The builder is not offering any plans for the basement. I need to meet with him and my preliminary plan to find out if it will give him the support locations needed.

The beams are running parallel to the shorter (30') dimension. This is part of why I'm showing the wall at 17', which is within 2' of the center (hope that works without resizing, etc.).

The 28' depth puts the wall nicely at the point that the bay has a corner.

Joe, yes, the space is worthy of being jealous. I just can't get over the fact that it finally looks like I'm going to get my dream space. I've had makeshift theaters in several different homes, from a 20" tv in an apartment to a rear projection living room/theater, to my current dedicated room of 16'x19'. I'm scared at the responsability to do things right this time!!!

Andy, that's a good idea, but I like a rectangular look to a room, and wonder if 22.5' by 30' will look too square for my taste?

Tomorrow I will post a plan that shows the room at 16'x30'. I wonder if that is getting too narrow for the length?
post #8 of 45
Not to put a dasher on the process - but been there done that...

When I was house hounting a couple years ago - my third house that we offered on is the one we actually got. The second house needed $20-$30K of roof work - the first house was contingent on selling the current house and that fell thru. I only got the third house because I did not go the contingent offer - instead I double mortgaged for six months! It helps when you have a neighbor that is a mortgage broker....

I (re)designed a theater for each of them - the one I got had the worst basement to work with. Good design practice - but keep in mind there is more to house buying than the basement! The homeowners/agents were more than accommodating to my need to get detailed basement measures/plans - though they thought it maybe a bit strange as far as house priorities go.

BTW basement theater never happened - spent the leftover equity on suing the neighbor when she tried to claim 10' of my carport so she could infill development and turn an old shed into a three-story duplex. You never know what will happen in the future! In the end I ended up with 3' more of her property and a fence and motorized gate al at her expense - but stuck with a fugly house next door and most importantly - no basement HT. Supposedly I won - but nobody wins legal battles.

Like grandpa always said - don't count the chickens before they hatch!


Anyways looks like plenty of space to work with - my only comment is I see 3/4 of the basement is HIS room, and 1/4 is HER room. Are these mutually developed plans?
post #9 of 45
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Andy, that's a good idea, but I like a rectangular look to a room, and wonder if 22.5' by 30' will look too square for my taste?

Tomorrow I will post a plan that shows the room at 16'x30'. I wonder if that is getting too narrow for the length?

For 12+ seats 16' is too small, in my opinion. Its probably not great acoustically, either.


Andy K.
post #10 of 45
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Kras, enjoyed your post. I will have to let my wife read it. She's very accommodating with my HT disease. Although, the game room portion is as much for our children, and the Workshop is only so I can maintain all my wife's things. hahahaha....

I'm trying hard not to count my chickens, but these initial design studies are part of the decision process on buying or not.

It seems you have been down the road that I am on. We don't want to double mortgage, but I don't know how you keep a house from slipping through your fingers unless you do so. In the end, I don't know if we'll actually bite on the double mortgage, or if several more design studies are in my future. From the title of my thread, you can see that I'm emotionally involved already, so that is not a good thing.

A house just like our current one and in our neighborhood sold in just 2 weeks on the market last month. This and other research gives me confidence that we will sell in a few months time at most. Do I feel confident enough to pay two mortgages? don't know yet.
post #11 of 45
All the supporting elements are there for a reason, some support the 1st floor, some support the 2nd floor, and some support the roof. I'll be worried if my builder move them around without re-design and get approval of the entire house

Don't mean to rain out the parade, but if you are building your dream house, the last thing you need is a safety nightmare

I am really curious about what your builder can do to you. Please keep us posted and good luck.
post #12 of 45
I'd definately not use all that space. leave some for a room or maybe a bar or a lounge etc. I think cutting the room in half would be good. Face the 30' wall and have the room stretch deep behind you. Its a place to start. The rest is in the details.

Seth
post #13 of 45
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I wasn't impleying that the builder would do whatever I draw up. I'm sure he will have comments and massage what I bring to him. Although, I'm showing a wall very close to the middle of the basement, and another that almost quarters the space, so I'm hoping that is close to what he will need. I completely agree, that we will not be building the house on a "hunch" that it looks right.

Seth, what do you mean by "all that space" Do you mean that 28x17 is not necessary? I am also showing a lobby/gameroom that will likely include a bar.
post #14 of 45
Where are you keeping all your utilities, in one of the closets?
post #15 of 45
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By "utilities", do you mean bathroom? I wasn't planning a bathroom, as there is a bathroom right at the top of the stairs. Pre-plumbing for bathroom is an additional $800. Doesn't sound like much, but there are about 30 different $800 things that we need to make decisions on.
post #16 of 45
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Here is another idea, orienting the room in the other direction. Not sure if the 12' wide game room will accomodate a pool table as shown?

 

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post #18 of 45
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So it would work with 52" cues on a 7' table. Or I could find another foot and use 58" cues.

I could loose a foot in the workshop if going with plan 'c'.

Thanks for the link to the chart. I would assume that if the room accomodated pool it would also work for ping pong?
post #19 of 45
Utilites such as a furnace, hot water tank, etc. You know all the junk most of us have in our basements. I lived in Virginia where basements are rare and I had all that stuff in the attic which was a real pain.
post #20 of 45
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Originally Posted by mderka View Post

Utilites such as a furnace, hot water tank, etc. You know all the junk most of us have in our basements. I lived in Virginia where basements are rare and I had all that stuff in the attic which was a real pain.

I thought that might be what you meant. This particular house is also built without a basement, so hot water heater is in garage and a/c units are in the attic. No utilities in basement. Although, that is a great point about it being easier in the basement. I'll ask the builder about that. Thanks.

I expect to hear from them by the end of the week as far as can they do our wish list of about 50 different changes, etc. There are 4 or 5 big items on that list that would kill the deal for us, so my fingers are crossed. One of those items is to do the basement in 9' ceilings as opposed to the standard 8'. Do you all think this plan is still doable with 8' basement ceiling? maybe so, but then I would have to orient the room so that seating is arranged in fewer rows.
post #21 of 45
1- You definitely want a full bath in the basement. At least have the rough-in so you can build it later. Besides, $800 would not put a dent on your mortgage, but no needs to climb stairs for you and your family/guests when natural calls, priceless.

2- You will just have to pay for the 9', that's it. It's a pretty standard upgrade I think.
post #22 of 45
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Do you all think this plan is still doable with 8' basement ceiling?

That would get awfully tight in the third row. Pay for the 9', you won't regret it!
post #23 of 45
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Again, I hope to hear from them by Friday. I agree, I will get 9' if it is an option. Also agree that the plumbing for a restroom would be nice.

I just have to decide which of the dozens of $800 items don't get done. Can't get them all. We're at the very top of our (expanded) budget before any of these options are added, so you can see, the $800 does start to become a big deal. Now, maybe we don't get granite in the kitchen and those monies are better spent on the things we can't easily add later, like the bathroom plumbing. ???

We've always lived below our means, but this house is our "forever" house, so we're going out on a limb and stretching a bit for it. Scary stuff for us.

By the way, thanks for all of the input. It's nice to have a sounding board, much less one that has the home theater in their best interest.
post #24 of 45
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I just have to decide which of the dozens of $800 items don't get done

Ain't it the truth. Feel good about this, in Chicago, it's which of the dozens of $1200 items don't get done

Good luck with the build!

Scott
post #25 of 45
I built my basement 10' deep and with vents, ductwork etc, it ate up a lot of space. If I were doing it again, I would keep the 10' basement walls and use trusses as my 1st level floor joists. That way all the ductwork can run inside the trusses and leaves your ceiling flat from end to end.

Problem was the cost differential from 8' to 9' wasn't much at all, but going to 10' was another 15k because the walls had to be poured much thicker so support the added height. I was not dupped by the builder either because I saw every receipt that the subs provided.

Just a warning and a recommendation. Have fun and good luck.
post #26 of 45
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Thanks Video. Fortunately, the first floor is on trusses. I saw, in another house, that all utilities were running through them. This will give me a finished ceiling hieght of 9'. I think you're correct about the price jump to 10'. I'm expecting the 9' option to come in at about $3500-4000. Worth every penny of that!
post #27 of 45
Not sure if you already have seats picked out but looking at your drawing I do not see how you will get rows of 4 with aisles down both sides in a 16' wide space. I have 090's (2 rows of 4) in an 18' wide room. The aisles are 3' wide. You do not want them any narrower than that especially if you are doing a 30' deep room with 3 rows.

With rows of 4 I would stay at an 18' wide finished inside dimension min. I would try to go to 20' or even 22' and you could do 3 rows of 5. The room would be much more balanced that way. 16' will look really narrow with a 30' length. Just my 2 cents if you have the ability to preplan go for a little extra width.
JD
post #28 of 45
Thread Starter 
JD, good info. I'm showing 17' width. My current chairs are the Coaster Directer's series. I have a row of 4 in a 16' wide room and it is just a hair tight, that's why I was figuring 17'. The Coasters are a little narrower than your Berks.

However, I will likely go with Berks for my "sweetspot" row. I'll see if I can draw a version up with 18' width.
post #29 of 45
You can hire someone to do most of the options after the house is built for half the price the builder asked. Another 50% if DIY. Of course there are things need to be considered if you choose to go this route, like another construction period to go through and the money you have to come up to pay for it. There are things like 9'/10' basement ceiling or kitchen/family extension you just have to pay the builder but others like granite countertop, hardwood floor, can be done later by your or your contractor. Good luck.
post #30 of 45
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fore, I am quite handy and will have to decide which things I will do myself to save some money.

Here is another plan. I think I'm starting to get somewhere. I like the open feeling from the game room to the theater in this one. It is also a very deep theater. The downside to this plan is that the workshop is shrunken down to the bare minimum, and my wifes exercise room is also. This does show a half bath downstairs in a configuration that would allow the exercise room to become a bedroom if ever needed.

I like the ticket booth with access on both sides too.

 

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