AT&T U-verse HDTV - Page 88

i am kicking myself for staying with comcast for so long before switching internet over to uverse. $35 per month for 6mb service (and no contract, as you pointed out). $60 per month for similar service with comcast.

live and learn.

Again Like I said in my first post, TWC and Comcast national offers, you can keep saying BHN is comparable but they clearly are not comparable when both TWC and Comcast have more than 15x as many customers, and who coverage area is much larger again.


OK so the truth finally comes out, because you refuse to sign a contract to get a lower price thus that eliminates sat as option, and even if the price would be cheaper with Phone service you refuse to have home phone service because you have a cellphone then you think ATT is cheaper correct? Ok well putting an antenna on your roof, and using Starbucks free wifi is even cheaper too you know.

Also again you are not comparing Apples to Apples either, I went to BHN web page and entered a zip code from Tampa, Orlando, and Bakerfields just to prove a point and guess what? All in 3 markets BHN bundles are $94.99 for just TV and Internet and $99.99 for TV, Internet and Phone. BHN includes 10/1 internet service which would cost you an extra $10 per month more than your current plan. Those are none contract prices too. As BHN does not offer discounted prices like TWC or Comcast if you sign a contract. Also going via ATT web page and signing up for their ATT Sat + Dsl bundle is cheaper than you are currently pay too but that would require a contract as well.

P.S. I get a price of $107 for 6 months then a price of $117 on ATT U-Verse web page using a tampa address. That is for U-200+HD addon, and elite speed u-verse and that includes 1 box only a Home DVR. BHN same package with phone service is $117.98 and includes 10/1 internet which would raise your price by $10 more but would give you an extra $10 off for 6 months but after that your price would go up to $127 per month making it really $9.98 more a month for comparable service. The fact BHN does not offer a slower internet plan does not mean they are more expensive as a comparable plan is cheaper on BHN over U-Verse. So basically in effect you would be getting the home phone service for $0.98 cents a month try getting that deal from ATT.

It's quite possible. 3HD should be phased in as soon as the 24M tier launches in late March.


No, there are still regional promotions today. They are visible to customers as they qualify their telephone number or address online or if they are speaking with a sales person on the phone. Satellite requires a 2 year commitment for their pricing, there are no contracts and up to $250 in rebates for going with U-verse.

Yes and signing up for ATT direct TV, DSL and Pots Phone also gives you $150 gift card and your ongoing price would be cheaper with ATT POTS bundle with Sat over a comparable U-Verse bundle unless you are getting some super cheap regional promotions that is just not offered in CA or FL and ATT is choosing to write off most of CA and FL too which seems kinda of silly as CA and FL are very big market. I also fully understand to get a bundle discount with ATT Pots you have to have Phone service, so if you do not want a landline at all sure then comparing a U-Verse bundle which does not require phone line is cheaper than an ATT pots bundle that requires Pots service but for small difference in price between ATT pots bundle vs U-Verse no phone bundle you can have phone service which in my case is $0 between the fact Dish is $20 cheaper than comparable U-Verse TV and I am getting $10 bundle discount and Pots line is $30 per month($35 with Voicemail).

Trust me when I signed up for ATT U-Verse, the Phone rep after looking at my current package even said a comparable plan on U-Verse would cost me more based on the fact I was getting $10 bundle discount off my bill each month and that promo is not offered on U-Verse at all for new customers. I was paying $69.99 for Dish Top 250 with 2 DVR's and a comparable U-Verse package is $89.99 with 1 total dvr and 1 HD box. When I signed up for U-Verse Internet the gift card promo was $400 and she said if I planned to stay with U-Verse longer than 10 months it would make no sense to switch as straight internet promo was $30 off my bill for 6 months thus making the real difference in the 2 promo $220. ALL distance Pots bundle is same price as U-Verse Voice so I would see no savings at all switching my pots line to Voip and only benefit would be calling to Canada which I did not do and that was be at the expensive of having less reliable Voip service.

ATT allows you to bundle U-Verse Internet in their pots bundle as long as your U-Verse Internet package is faster than what is offered to you via DSL which in my case it is because I am on Max Plus package.

Do you see my point of comparing Apples to Apples and maybe 9x out of 10x U-Verse is not cheaper than it competitors. Fios on the other hand is always cheaper than it competitors for comparable service. Problem is Fios has no entry level service at all which means unless you want a premium package then other options might be cheaper and I guess people complaining about Fios prices are complaining about the fact Fios has no low cost alternatives at all or striped down packages.

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That seems about right. FiOS is a great service but I've never heard it referred to as comparable in pricing to either U-verse or the major cable operators.

You straight up admit right here that Fios is more expensive. If I just want standard HD channels and no premium (HBO, Starz, etc), then 9x out of 10x Fios is not cheaper than the alternative. To me, "stripped down" means no HD service, and HD is important to me. Movie channels are not (I have Netflix).

And after looking at Ken's link, even if i DID want premiums, 9x out of 10x Fios is still going to be more expensive. So I really don't know what your point is.

You must be dense or something, Fios offers nothing comparable to U-200, their lowest end package is comparable to Dish top 250 or Direct TV total choice which includes stuff like encore, Flix, IFC and what Dish and Direct TV refer to Platinum HD package which includes stuff like HDnet, HDMovies, MGM HD, Universal HD etc. Their is no way to get a package comparable to U-200 at all on Fios, then if you want say DSL speed internet their is no way to get it on Fios, you have 3 choices for internet 15/5, 25/25 or 35/35 what part of that do you not understand? Their is no 6 meg package at all, So if you take a comparable 15/5 package from U-Verse it is 55 per month not $35 a month you are paying either. Also all the Fios bundles include Phone and it is cheaper to get a bundle over getting TV and Internet only.

Like I said if you want a TV and internet package lower than the lowest Fios lowest package then other options might be cheaper but anyone taking a package above the lowest packages or comparing Fios to Comparable U-Verse package will see Fios is cheaper. If you want DSL class internet and basic entry level tv and you insist on comparing entry level products again bundles that do not have entry level services you are 100% right you can find a lower provider. But for anyone take any package which is comparable to what other providers have U-Verse is more expensive. Key here comparable, Sure you can get Express internet package on U-Verse $25 a month and that is all you might need, but Comcast and TWC, even BHN and Fios all have internet speeds that are 10x faster includes in their bundles and you know some people on U-Verse do buy those packages and those are ones who can get better deals going to other providers. Not the people buying the bottom of the barrel services as Fios is not targeted towards those people anyways.

As for Ken Post even he admits his Fios internet is on a 35/35 package LOL which Fios charges $139.99 without a triple play package at all, no other provider even offers a comparable service. A package more comparable to cable would have been for him to take 15/5 internet and compare that to a Comcast bundle which package is $30 per month cheaper that his current package and he is in a very rare situation too where his Comcast in his area does not charge for cable cards if he was using cable boxes the difference between Fios and Comcast would be in Fios favor as their boxes are cheaper than Comcast in national promo.

Again if people want to stubborn and continue to say one provider is cheaper than other because they are taking a lower service plan be it a lower tv package, lower internet speed etc they are only fooling them selfs when they keep saying provider X is cheaper because they are only cheaper because you are comparing a Nissian to a Mercedes Benz and then saying the Nissian is the same which we both know is clearly not the case even tho both will take you from Point A to Point B.

Not sure why you guys continue to argue FIOS/UVerse pricing since this is irrelevent to 90% of the people on the board since they compete in so few markets. In addition it does not matter if you get more from FIOS if you don't want or need the additional speed, phone service etc. I think everyone does exactly the same thing, they look at the service they want/need and the prices offered by the various services available in their area and buy what provides them the best value. This bickering is just a waste of time

people take it personally when discussing their service providers.

I do not have Fios nor will I ever be able to get Fios as I live in an ATT area. I have U-Verse Internet only because ATT own Sat bundles with U-Verse Internet are cheaper than U-Verse double or triple plays and have no limitation either.

I just wish U-Verse would be comparable in price to Fios so I could save some money based on comparable service I am paying for.

But the point is valid - pricing is determined by market and FIOS/U-Verse don't compete. You can only compare them to cable and satellite in each market, not each other. Not to mention that the 2HD limit and inferior PQ for U-Verse makes it an apples-to-oranges comparison anyway.

3HD is available in 17 markets today and nationwide in March. 4HD will be here by the summer which makes it a non issue. Advances are also being made in PQ for HD bitrate as well...SD PQ is already amongst the best around. It wasn't that long ago that Dish and DirecTV were in a similar situation with HD PQ and they were able to address it just fine, so will AT&T.

In Los Angeles market and I have a felling in almost all other markets too, ATT Pots, ATT Satellite bundled with ATT U-Verse internet max plans is cheaper than comparable U-Verse TV/Internet/Phone bundle.

Like I said my ongoing monthly charges from ATT for my Internet/Pots/TV are $20 per month cheaper than comparable U-Verse service. I have no limitation at all and better picture quality. In Aug I will be switching from ATT Dish to ATT Direct TV more than likely as my ATT Dish bill we be seeing a $10 per month increase based on the new Price for HD DVR and all my promo's on Dish will be ending. And even then based on today ATT Direct TV pricing it will continue to be $14 a month cheaper on an ongoing bases. ATT will give me $150 GC for switching Sat Providers. Direct TV picture quality is better than U-Verse and does not have the same limitation either.

If ATT adopted pricing comparable to Fios even tho their service is not comparable based on my current packages, Fios pricing would be cheaper too. That was the only point I was trying to make. Comparable service tends to be cheaper on other providers over U-Verse. The fact ATT can offer you a cheaper option via 3rd party satellite provider over their own TV service tells you that their own TV and phone service is over priced or their bundles add no value at all or discounts really where bundling on Pots gives that $10 ongoing monthly discount on top of what 3rd party satellite providers promo gives you allowing you to double dip.

I was apprehensive about U-Verse after skimming this thread but I must say I am very happy. HD PQ is excellent and the internet is fast. I got the U-450 and I can't believe how many HD movie channels there are. Pretty awesome. I am in the Sacramento, CA area. Maybe some areas have more PQ issues than others? Also, the installer I got was very good. Took his time to make sure everything was perfect and did comprehensive training to me and my wife. He mentioned that he is only given 2 installs a day because AT&T is committed to customer service for the installs. Much better than the Comcast wham, bam, thank you ma'am install I am used to. I also got $250 in Visa gift cards which I am using to fix up some things around my house.

So all U-Verse customers will get the 3HD streams in March correct?

no. my profile will only allow 2HD max.

a friend of mine is far enough away from the VRAD where he will only have 1HD stream.

i guess this could theoretically all change if AT&T makes infrastructure upgrades, or something along those lines.

I was reffering to Harley Dude's quote "3HD is available in 17 markets today and nationwide in March. 4HD will be here by the summer which makes it a non issue." Are they upgrading in March nationwide?

What he was trying to say is the ability to get 3HD will be dependent on your line quality. If you look at your RG and have a maxsynch rate about 40,000k and if they have been able to upgrade your profile to 32/5 then you would qualify to get the 3HD/1SD program profile. People who have bad copper or are too far away from the VRAD will not be able to synch the RG at a high enough bandwidth to support the upgrade. So each customer will be different.

Spoken like a former SW Bell employee. HD stream limits and PQ will ALWAYS matter to some, just maybe not for you and other folks.

I stand by what I posted - comparing U-Verse to any other service price-wise is tough to do because it is not a fair comparison straight-up. But from what dolmar posted it doesn't sound like it matters anyway since U-Verse is more expensive on a bundled basis.

You have to remember $10 of the $20 I am saving currently a month comes from ATT $10 bundle discount which they offer on Pots bundles that they don't offer on U-Verse bundles anymore, they used in the past off a discount like ATT pots does for bundling but I was told that Promo has not been offered in CA for over 1 year now. But even if ATT stops that promo and removes that discount from all current customers, I would still pay $10 per month less than comparable U-Verse package to what I have, and even after my contract ends with Dish and all my promo expires, If I switch to ATT Direct TV under their current promo and they just stopped giving that $10 bundle discount Direct TV would still be $4 per month cheaper than a comparable U-Verse bundle. And ATT bundle using ATT Pots, Direct TV and U-Verse Internet would have more reliable phone service which is not dependent on my internet or power working, and TV service would have no limitation at all like U-Verse TV has about total HD streams and current Direct TV picture quality is much better and the internet is same internet.

So explain why anyone willing to get Sat which has a national price would even consider U-Verse TV unless you are comparing non comparable products as only way to get Pots $10 per month bundling discount is by having Phone, TV and Internet if you don't have all 3 their is no discount at all. Any speed you can get with U-Verse internet package under Elite speed then it is cheaper on over standard DSL than U-Verse which I think is part of the reason why ATT will not sell you both U-Verse TV and ATT DSL. And compared to most Cable deals, U-Verse is only cheaper based on the fact U-Verse lowest internet tier is 1.5/384k vs most of the cable bundles include between 10-20mb internet tiers.

So it is possible to build a lower ongoing monthly bundle on U-Verse than many other providers as U-Verse offers many tiers of both Internet and TV and even allows for no voice bundles where as most providers bundles require you to bundle all 3 services and offer no choice of internet speed either in order to save any money over the ala cart pricing.

So only way to save money with a U-Verse Bundle over comparing to another company bundle is by selecting lower end options over what other providers bundles include. But if you are already doing that why not buy internet from U-Verse, buy phone from a phone provider like powerphone or Voipo etc who have unlimited plans starting as low as $8.25 per month with unlimited phone service and get a Dish/Direct entry level plan. That will end up costing you less than U-Verse bundle and if you used ATT DSL over U-Verse for any package under Elite you could save even more by using ATT DSL as DSL Elite currently is on promo for $24.99 per month vs $35 it costs on U-Verse for the same package.

See my point?

Where do you look to find out the max synch rate?

Yes, provided final testing of the code required to make it happen goes well.


I believe the cutoff mark for 3HD is 2.1kft if the copper is good, which would be a large majority of customers.


Go to http://192.168.1.254 and look at the synch rate. If it shows the below stats, you are good to go for 3HD. If it doesn't, remember that work is still in progress and they might not have reached your market yet.

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I saw on the system chart thread that CBS College Sports HD has been added.

You guys get channels added at a good pace too.

Now, you guys just need to get MLB Network, NBA TV and Tennis Channel. If you get first two, U-Verse becomes definite option for me if I move out of Brighthouse territory.

I had U-verse installed Wednesday and have the 32/5 profile.He ran a new Cat 5 wire to the RG from the box outside and two Cat5 runs and used one coax cabal I had.Soooo far every thing is working fine I will wait a week before I cancel Directv. The ATT instaler was great I can run three HDTV's on different channels at the same time

Not to derail the current conversation, but I wanted to come on here and rant for a second. I've had Uverse for about two years. Most of that time, I've had my box hooked to my receiver via component video and optical audio cables. When the Olympics started, I just thought to check back in on the HDMI output, because at the time of installation, AT&T was having an audio dropout issue. I'm sure everyone is aware of it. I just can't believe that, according to the tier 2 support man I talked to, they are still aware of the issue and are working on it. For 2 years!?!?

I switched back to my component/optical output and noticed it is still going on there too. I think I just got used to it, but the HDMI dropout was more pronounced. *SIGH at AT&T*

/rant off

I am not sure where to post this, so please point me in the right direction???

I have had U-Verse since Aug 09. I really love it compared to TWC. BUT!!! The damn Motorola VIP1225 HD PVR is driving me insane!!!!!! Ever since day one, the control inputs on the box have had massive lag, if it accepts a command at all. No matter if I use the AT&T remote, my Harmony 1000, or the new Harmony ONE I just bought, there is nearly 80% LAG between remote commands and the box accepting them. For an example, I just programmed in some favorite channels on the Harmony ONE (SyFy = 1151, BBCA = 188, SPEED HD = 1652). If I select SPEED HD, sometimes nothing happens, most times I get a 1, or an 11, or a 15, or a 51. RARELY do I ever get the full 1151!!!!!! And to try and do a search for a show is a lesson in total frustration, where all too often I have to press (even the AT&T remote) the direction or enter button up to near 10 times before the letter appears or the cursor moves. My TWC HD PVR (Motorola too) NEVER acted like this. Nor did my two older DirecTV boxes (HR20 and forgot the other model #).

So, is anyone else having this same problem? Would the Cisco IPN4320 DVR be a better box (and I ask for one)? Or is there a newer HD PVR now? Either way, could someone PLEASE help me with this? Thanks much!!!!

I have the same problem with a Cisco box, except the remote that came with it does OK. I have tried 3 different Harmony remotes and none of them consistently work with the Uverse DVR, especially for keying in a channel number. There is some kind of delay built in to the Uverse that the Harmony can't match. In addition, I can't get the Uverse remote to turn on and off my Yamaha receiver, so I have to use the Harmony for turning things on and off and the Uverse remote for everything else.

I use the Harmony 550 remote with my Uverse cisco box with zero problems. I have abandoned the uverse remote completely, as the Harmony takes care of all of my components.

As I stated, both my Harmony 1000 and One have problems with the VIP 1225, but even the AT&T remote that came with it has the very same problems. So either I have a defective box, or all the VIP 1225 boxes are a problem. So maybe I should try asking AT&T to send me a Cisco IPN4320 DVR box to try? Only problem there, is all the tons of shows I already have recorded, and scheduled to record (but now on hiatus after their season finales) I won't be able to transfer over