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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

"Sleepy Hollow", "The Brothers Grimm", "Raging Bull", and "Girls Gone Wild" Vol.3.

I said Black levels, not Pink.
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Anyway, Any thoughts on DVE or a similar product ?
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Why don't the current owners post their reviews on CNET? I just posted mine. there are only a few others and most are not even by people who own the set...
post #1264 of 14227
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

Just an FYI, when you compare the picture settings for the XBR1 you'll want to put it on PRO mode rather than VIVID. VIVID mode majorly crushes blacks. You'll see a lot more detail in darker areas in Pro Mode and setting black enhancement off or on low. Also, for best black results on the XBR1 set the advanced iris to low, set the iris to 3 or lower, and set power saving to reduced. This may not necessarily look best on the show room floor but these settings will provide the best black levels and will look good in home IMO.

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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

Agreed!

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Originally Posted by datbeme View Post

People often ask why manufacturers use default torch settings instead of shipping something more properly calibrated. We should point them to this thread. It perfectly illustrates why they do what they do. Everyone seems to equate the relative brightness with the quality of the set.

Not to keep beating a dead horse, but you 3 make it seem like my suspicion is correct: That enabling Power Saving mode on the A2000 will yield better black levels. Wish an actual owner would experiment and report.
post #1265 of 14227
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Originally Posted by dishmanAZ View Post

Thanls for the translation but I thoght B&M would only match with other B&M stores not online stores as was suggested before. That's why I thoght B&M was a store.

That may be true. The B&M I bought from is a NY area chain of stores only. They price matched J&R, which besides being a huge online seller, is also a B&M in Manhattan (I live on L.I. about 40 miles away). My local B&M's price matching policy did indicate that they would match select authorized online stores so they might have matched other authorized online Sony dealers as well.

Edit: Here's the B&M's stated price matching policy
"A list of approved authorized retailers is available upon request through our Contact Us link. You may also submit an Internet retailer's link for consideration"
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Originally Posted by Paul33993 View Post

Not to keep beating a dead horse, but you 3 make it seem like my suspicion is correct: That enabling Power Saving mode on the A2000 will yield better black levels. Wish an actual owner would experiment and report.

you are correct. However, of course, that does cut down the brightness.
post #1267 of 14227
I pulled the trigger on the 50". Now all I have to do is wait for it to come into stock. J and R w/ free shipping! I am so happy!
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Bought this tv at my local big box and just wanted to mention that comcast (PA & DE &NJ) has a free digital and hd upgrade offer (60 days) only if you sign up at retail stores (bb, CC tweeter, compusa -- yes they sell tv's). plus, all but BB give you $100 cable credit in addition to the free digital/hd upgrade.

They also have 6 month special on the digital silver ($39) , gold ($49) and platinum ($59) pkg's plus the $100 cable credit (only for new customers -- I was not eligible since I am a basic subscriber)
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Mine just arrived, but I am going to spend all day wiring up the Home theater before the TV is placed in the proper position.
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Originally Posted by treberg View Post

Anyone have sugestions of 3 or 4 movies that would help with setting black levels?

Also would the Digital video essentials disk be worth getting for hd calibration?

Yes, DVE or Avia are worth the effort. Plus, either is much more effective for setting brightness and picture (contrast) than any movie.
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Originally Posted by dgotwals1 View Post

Mine just arrived, but I am going to spend all day wiring up the Home theater before the TV is placed in the proper position.

Let us know what you think about it...give us a review. Pics would also be cool.
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Originally Posted by ChromeZombiez View Post

Finally I get a response on the brightness on these sets...plus looking on some owners pics the A2000 looks brighter than the XBR1 I have seen.

Why do people continue with this "looks brighter" observation (as if, brighter is better). My XBR1 brightness setting goes up to "63". It's optimized (ISF'ed) setting is at "31". Higher brightness "washes out" the blacks and degrades the picture. I personally want my brightness calibrated for picture quality. If I want to "light up" the room, I'll turn on more lights.
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Originally Posted by tim86 View Post

Sorry which one had better dark detai?l the XBR1 or the A2000?

This would be a meaningless observation unless they were both calibrated to the same standard.
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Second observation of A2000

Digital Out: I can't get a signal from the A2000 to my Pioneer receiver. Does anyone else have this problem?

Motion artifacts: I was watching the Cubs on WGN HD and noticed a lot of MAs on the A2000. I know that ABC broadcast sports in 720P and it works wonders on MA but otherwise, are we stuck with MA?
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Originally Posted by dgpruitt View Post

I'm still unsure about the white / black levels. I'm not sure if my settings are optimal, and the Avia disk is not helping me out in this area.

I have both Avia and DVE. DVE is superior for brightness and contrast settings on digital (non CRT) sets.
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Anyone have sugestions of 3 or 4 movies that would help with setting black levels?

Dark City
Fellowship of the Ring
The Matrix
Inteview with a Vampire
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Originally Posted by treberg View Post

Anyone have sugestions of 3 or 4 movies that would help with setting black levels?

Also would the Digital video essentials disk be worth getting for hd calibration?

If you want to set black levels, use DVE (Digital Video Essentials) and eliminate all the guesswork of trying to do it via a movie.
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

Second observation of A2000

Digital Out: I can't get a signal from the A2000 to my Pioneer receiver. Does anyone else have this problem?

Motion artifacts: I was watching the Cubs on WGN HD and noticed a lot of MAs on the A2000. I know that ABC broadcast sports in 720P and it works wonders on MA but otherwise, are we stuck with MA?

jbug Are you getting audio from the A2000?

I am connected via HDMI from a video processor (audio is optical from VP to receiver) and get no audio on A2000 unless its a plain stereo signal. I get an on screen message that its an unsupported audio signal when DD5.1 or PLII is input.

I do not need to have audio from the A2000 but the message is a pain since it appears everytime I change channels.

Don
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jbug wrote:

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Digital Out: I can't get a signal from the A2000 to my Pioneer receiver. Does anyone else have this problem?

It's my understanding that most Sony sets won't output sound unless you switch off the set's speakers. I imagine it's the same with the A2000.

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Motion artifacts: I was watching the Cubs on WGN HD and noticed a lot of MAs on the A2000. I know that ABC broadcast sports in 720P and it works wonders on MA but otherwise, are we stuck with MA?

Were you watching the game with an antenna or from cable? Over the air should be as good as it gets. If it's artifacting from the antenna, it's what they're sending, not the A2000.

Tom
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Originally Posted by treberg View Post

Anyway, Any thoughts on DVE or a similar product ?

I have dve and I really like it. It is rather advanced but it has a great deal of tests and is very comprehensive. I downloaded the manual from the dve website and it should help with understanding everything. A lot of the material is over my head but it is fine for basic calibration.
post #1281 of 14227
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Originally Posted by dlm10541 View Post

jbug Are you getting audio from the A2000?

I am connected via HDMI from a video processor (audio is optical from VP to receiver) and get no audio on A2000 unless its a plain stereo signal. I get an on screen message that its an unsupported audio signal when DD5.1 or PLII is input.

I do not need to have audio from the A2000 but the message is a pain since it appears everytime I change channels.

Don

I get audio from the A2000 stereo analog outputs only.
post #1282 of 14227
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Originally Posted by Servo1 View Post

jbug wrote:



It's my understanding that most Sony sets won't output sound unless you switch off the set's speakers. I imagine it's the same with the A2000.



Were you watching the game with an antenna or from cable? Over the air should be as good as it gets. If it's artifacting from the antenna, it's what they're sending, not the A2000.

Tom

Thanks, I did have the speakers off but it made no difference. Also my receiver was going haywire with the digital output from the A2000 going into one of the digital inputs. The signal indicator (digital/analog) as well as the input display were blinking on and off rapidly.

I was watching the Cubs game OTA. Oh well, I guess they will have to broadcast sports games in 1080P somewhere down the road to cure the motion artifact problem.
post #1283 of 14227
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

Why do people continue with this "looks brighter" observation (as if, brighter is better).

That was my point in my above post. I guess I just worded it too gently. I was trying to say that if so many people in this forum are duped by differences in brightness on a showroom floor, what does that say for the uninformed buyer? ALL of these sets are plenty bright enough.

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Originally Posted by datbeme View Post

People often ask why manufacturers use default torch settings instead of shipping something more properly calibrated. We should point them to this thread. It perfectly illustrates why they do what they do. Everyone seems to equate the relative brightness with the quality of the set.
post #1284 of 14227
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

I get audio from the A2000 stereo analog outputs only.

I just tried running audio from the A2000 to the receiver via optical out with no luck with speaker on or off. I guess the A2000 does not support the digital audio streams over HDMI.

I talked to Sony about this last night and they did not even know there was the error message. I have an event # and am waiting for a response
post #1285 of 14227
Cruthcfield now has the 55 and 50 in their system (OOS). Just thought you'd like to know.
post #1286 of 14227
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Originally Posted by dlm10541 View Post

I just tried running audio from the A2000 to the receiver via optical out with no luck with speaker on or off. I guess the A2000 does not support the digital audio streams over HDMI.

I talked to Sony about this last night and they did not even know there was the error message. I have an event # and am waiting for a response

If the A2000 is like the XBR1, the optical out only supports audio output from the tv's tuner. For all other audio, you need to go direct from your STB/DVD player to your receiver.

At least that's how it is with the XBR1.
post #1287 of 14227
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Originally Posted by bhollis View Post

If the A2000 is like the XBR1, the optical out only supports audio output from the tv's tuner. For all other audio, you need to go direct from your STB/DVD player to your receiver.

At least that's how it is with the XBR1.

Ah well that is kind of a let down. I was hoping I could just plug in the Wii's audio into the TV and then pass that to my receiver.
post #1288 of 14227
Hey Folks,

I plan on buying the KDS-60A2000. I currently have a JVC stand that measures about 16 inches deep. Do you think it's ok to place the Sony on it with some overhang off the back? Thanks.
post #1289 of 14227
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Originally Posted by bhollis View Post

If the A2000 is like the XBR1, the optical out only supports audio output from the tv's tuner. For all other audio, you need to go direct from your STB/DVD player to your receiver.

At least that's how it is with the XBR1.

yep that is how it is with all displays designed like this.
post #1290 of 14227
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Originally Posted by psincubus View Post

Ah well that is kind of a let down. I was hoping I could just plug in the Wii's audio into the TV and then pass that to my receiver.


Can't you just go straight to the reciever with the WII?
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