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post #1441 of 14227
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Originally Posted by Mikey_Gee View Post

I still did not get a reply on this one .... I now the A2000 has a USER replacable lamp, but I have heard the XBR2 may not ...

Anyone else here this or is it just Bull ???

The Sony website lists the XL-5300 (180W Replacement Lamp) for the 60" and 70" XBR2's. Sony doesn't seem to be in the habit of listing technician-only replaceable parts under "Accessories".
post #1442 of 14227
I decided to go for the 60a2000. Received a VERY good price from Video Only. Plus I got the 5 year warranty through them that includes a bulb replacement. I previously had the Sammy hls5687 and the Vizio 50" Plasma. Returned the Sammy due to the RBE and had the Vizio while waiting for the Sony or JVC.

I really like the look of the Sony. The 55" width works perfect for my setup. So far I am very happy with the Sony.The first thing that wows me is the black level. Better than the Sammy and much better than the Vizio. Another thing that I like is that the convergence is real good. This had worried me from what I saw of the 2005 xbr is various stores around town. For my setup I used a variation of the Van Robson settings from the 2005 tweaks thread and colors look very good and skin tones are very realistic especially compared to the Sammy. I was concerned about the DRC version, but since I feed my Sat at 1080i it is bypassed anyway. HD content is as detailed as the Sammy but less noisy. Sd content is a little better than the Sammy and close to the plasma( which is the plasmas strong point). Still SD on satellite is heavily compressed and until I can get FIOS TV no display is going to make it look great. Garbage in garbage out.

Overall I am very pleased and if the green blob problem is fixed I could be very happy for years to come, especially when I get a 1080p player
post #1443 of 14227
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Originally Posted by home_theatre_man View Post

I apologize in advance if this question has already been addressed. I have followed this thread since the beginning, but due to its exponential growth, I may have missed something.

Has anyone noticed that the CineMotion (Sony's name for 3:2 pulldown reversal) option is grayed out (unavailable) in the Settings menu except for a 480i input resolution? Do we know if this means that the A2000 is not performing 3:2 PDR for 1080i?

Chase

It's not grayed out on the XBR1 for 1080i. That capability was added for v2. Maybe the current v1 wasn't "backfit" with the capability? But, I don't know.
post #1444 of 14227
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Originally Posted by RickinEsc View Post

Does anyone know if the KDS-60A2000 allows selection of input by discrete command? I am replacing a Samsung that allowed that and I'm hoping the Sony does as well. However, I cannot seem to find any reference to it in the manual, which seems to indicate that you have to press the "TV/Video" button and cycle through the inputs -- soooo tired!
I'd appreciate help if anyone has info! Thanks.

With the XBR1, I can address individual inputs with my Harmony remote. I would bet that the same capability exists with the A2000. Sony just didn't put the capability on their standard remote.
post #1445 of 14227
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

With the XBR1, I can address individual inputs with my Harmony remote. I would bet that the same capability exists with the A2000. Sony just didn't put the capability on their standard remote.

rlb, which Harmony model you you have? I am debating on either the 688 or the 550 for my 60A2000. I also want to make sure it can take the place of my Motorola DVR remote buttons, (i.e. ON DEMAND and GUIDE buttons)

Thanks
post #1446 of 14227
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Originally Posted by Mighty_Ferguson View Post

I still would appreciate it if any owner of the set could try it both ways and see if they notice a substantial difference.

-Mighty

I have the Sony NS75H connected via component and via HDMI. Watching Spiderman on SD DVD I tried 480P over component, 480P over HDMI and 1080i over HDMI. It is difficult to compare because it's not side by side but rather takes about 10 seconds between views at the different settings. I'd say that all three look very good but the 1080i looks slightly better to my eyes. Whether it is what you call a substantial difference is really up to how critical the reviewer is and also the results may vary depending on the DVD player as well.

I am very impressed with the 60A2000 so far. It has surpassed my expectations on both play back of SD DVD's, as well as, HD movies from HBO and other channels.

Edit: I redid the test a few more times using different frozen scenes and it's really difficult without being able to see them side by side. The HDMI is slightly better than component but my eyes and experience are not up to deciding whether there's a noticeable difference between 480p and 1080i over HDMI. When the scenes are not frozen it might be my imagination but I like the 1080i. I'd be interested in other owner opinions.
post #1447 of 14227
Being a DRC 1, does it change the picture quality at all compared to a KDS-XBR1 SXRD?
post #1448 of 14227
Took delivery this afternoon. PC input @ 1080p from my GeForce 6800 GT routed through my Denon 4306 is flawless. There is a small amount of overscan, but nothing major. I've been watching some native 1080p trailers from Apple, and playing Half-Life 2 @ 1920x1080. So far so good.
post #1449 of 14227
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Originally Posted by fade23 View Post

Took delivery this afternoon. PC input @ 1080p from my GeForce 6800 GT routed through my Denon 4306 is flawless. There is a small amount of overscan, but nothing major. I've been watching some native 1080p trailers from Apple, and playing Half-Life 2 @ 1920x1080. So far so good.


Are you using DVI->HDMI on your pc? Or is it connected via VGA, I was under the impression you were still unable to have 1080p via vga like the xbr1s?
post #1450 of 14227
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Originally Posted by disgruntled1 View Post

I turned the 60" A2000 on in our store this morning and noticed a green blob in the middle of the screen. It disappeared after a few minutes and there was no sign of it thereafter.

User's manual pg 59 says:

After turning on the TV, you may notice a slight color (tint) variation in certain areas of the picture. This will only last a few minutes each time you turn on the TV. This is a normal temperature characteristic of the components and not a malfunction.

I can't believe I had to type in the above. The PDF is protected from content copying. WTF for?
post #1451 of 14227
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Originally Posted by disgruntled1 View Post

I turned the 60" A2000 on in our store this morning and noticed a green blob in the middle of the screen. It disappeared after a few minutes and there was no sign of it thereafter. I've been comparing the 60" A2000 with the 60" XBR1 (no green blob) and find the PQ overall to be about the same and the same amount of SSE on both (less than Mits xx731). I need to play with the settings a bit but it looked to me like the A2000 maybe had a little more mosquito noise (around objects) and maybe a little more combing/jaggies than the XBR1 but it may have been the source. I also noticed that DRC and Cinemotion are disabled for a 1080i input on the A2000 but are available in the XBR1. Also, the A2000 lacks DTE and Direct Mode that the XBR1 has.

Btw, as mentioned elsewhere I've heard from two different sources at Sony (tech support and area sales rep) that the A2000 has an updated OB that should not have the green blob problem of the XBR1. But, we'll just have to wait and see.

Next week I'm going to try and hook up the Samsung BD player and the Toshiba HD DVD player to the A2000 and see how it looks.


What is SSE stand for? and whats is your overall thoughts on the a2000 vs the Mits 731?
post #1452 of 14227
After reporting that the PQ was subpar at best, I had my ISF trained tech come out and this is what he did to make it dramatically better and just as good if not better than the XBR1's

HDMI settings using a Directv HD receiver
1- Set the Color Matrix to Custom and all resolutions to either ITU601 or ITU709 mine are ITU601. (MY ISF guy found inaccurate color with the automatic setting)
2- Set Cinemotion to Auto it helped to clear up the 480I signals a whole lot.
3- Turn OFF all enhancements(CNET recommends this for the XBR1 as well)
4-Go to a 480i signal and change the DRC palette to High Density and MAX for both reality and clarity(top right corner of box)
5- Use power saving mode=on it enhances the blacks without the extra noise from the other options.

These are my Picture settings after ISF (mind you he did go into the service menu)
Picture mode= Custom
Advanced Iris= Auto 1
Picture= 80
Brightness= 56
Color= 57
Hue=0
Color Temp=Neutral (ISF Tech found it to be the closest to 6500K)
Sharpness= 50

White Balance settings=
r-Gain=-11
g-gain=-13
b-Gain=0
r-bias=4
g-bias=3
b-bias= 2


All I can say is that WOW,,,I am watching Kingdom of Heaven on HBOHD and I can see the blood spurting out of the horses and the knights with such clarity and 3d effect that I am BLOWN AWAY........finally.....

Forget DRCv2.5 on the XBR2 you only really need it for 480i sources which the A2000 has that ability,,,buy the XBR2 because you want an extra HDMI port or because you like the DUMBO EARS....
post #1453 of 14227
[Forget DRCv2.5 on the XBR2 you only really need it for 480i sources which the A2000 has that ability,,,buy the XBR2 because you want an extra HDMI port or because you like the DUMBO EARS....[/quote]

Or if you want a 70" display. Thats what I'm waiting for.
Lucky
post #1454 of 14227
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Originally Posted by fade23 View Post

Took delivery this afternoon. PC input @ 1080p from my GeForce 6800 GT routed through my Denon 4306 is flawless. There is a small amount of overscan, but nothing major. I've been watching some native 1080p trailers from Apple, and playing Half-Life 2 @ 1920x1080. So far so good.

can you pretty please perform the tests that were mentioned about 50x in this thread that were requested about 49 pages ago that were ALL interested in? thanks fade!
post #1455 of 14227
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Originally Posted by luckyflyer View Post

[Forget DRCv2.5 on the XBR2 you only really need it for 480i sources which the A2000 has that ability,,,buy the XBR2 because you want an extra HDMI port or because you like the DUMBO EARS....

Or if you want a 70" display. Thats what I'm waiting for.
Lucky[/quote]

YEAH good point !!!! Thanks for the correction
post #1456 of 14227
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Originally Posted by CJHtxGeek View Post

Are you using DVI->HDMI on your pc? Or is it connected via VGA, I was under the impression you were still unable to have 1080p via vga like the xbr1s?

DVI to HDMI
post #1457 of 14227
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Originally Posted by AGZELA View Post

After reporting that the PQ was subpar at best, I had my ISF trained tech come out and this is what he did to make it dramatically better and just as good if not better than the XBR1's

HDMI settings using a Directv HD receiver
1- Set the Color Matrix to Custom and all resolutions to either ITU601 or ITU709 mine are ITU601. (MY ISF guy found inaccurate color with the automatic setting)
2- Set Cinemotion to Auto it helped to clear up the 480I signals a whole lot.
3- Turn OFF all enhancements(CNET recommends this for the XBR1 as well)
4-Go to a 480i signal and change the DRC palette to High Density and MAX for both reality and clarity(top right corner of box)
5- Use power saving mode=on it enhances the blacks without the extra noise from the other options.

These are my Picture settings after ISF (mind you he did go into the service menu)
Picture mode= Custom
Advanced Iris= Auto 1
Picture= 80
Brightness= 56
Color= 57
Hue=0
Color Temp=Neutral (ISF Tech found it to be the closest to 6500K)
Sharpness= 50

White Balance settings=
r-Gain=-11
g-gain=-13
b-Gain=0
r-bias=4
g-bias=3
b-bias= 2


All I can say is that WOW,,,I am watching Kingdom of Heaven on HBOHD and I can see the blood spurting out of the horses and the knights with such clarity and 3d effect that I am BLOWN AWAY........finally.....

Forget DRCv2.5 on the XBR2 you only really need it for 480i sources which the A2000 has that ability,,,buy the XBR2 because you want an extra HDMI port or because you like the DUMBO EARS....

how much was this calibration?
post #1458 of 14227
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Originally Posted by AGZELA View Post

After reporting that the PQ was subpar at best, I had my ISF trained tech come out and this is what he did to make it dramatically better and just as good if not better than the XBR1's...

Thanks Agzela for the settings and the comments. I would not have known where to start.

BTW, how much does it typically cost to get a set ISF calibrated? Also, how do I go about finding an ISF tech to perform this?
post #1459 of 14227
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Originally Posted by mailfroggys View Post

how much was this calibration?

ISF calibrations usually are about 300 to 400, I had him do my other Flat Panel and several inputs. so my price is not accurate for just one TV and generally two inputs. He is coming back tomorrow for the day time settings.
post #1460 of 14227
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Originally Posted by mishmosh View Post

Thanks Agzela for the settings and the comments. I would not have known where to start.

BTW, how much does it typically cost to get a set ISF calibrated? Also, how do I go about finding an ISF tech to perform this?


Go here http://www.imagingscience.com/isf-trained.cfm
post #1461 of 14227
Count me in as one of the long time lurker who has found this thread (and the old one) invaluable, fascinating, and sometimes frustrating. I started researching my HDTV buy back last November and for months I was changing my mind daily about which one to get, until I saw the SXRD. My jaw dropped. Of course, the price tag took a little getting used to, but once I finally just decided to go for it, there really was no question that an SXRD set was for me. I'm currently first in line at TapeworksTexas for the 55" version and I can't wait.

For the A2000 and XBR1 owners with Harmony Remotes:
I have the Xbox360 Harmony Remote and for the most part I like it, but I have a huge amount of frustration that mainly is in dealing with my current TV. I have this Phillips/Magnavox set that is really picky about which signal it gets to Power On/Off. The original remote just has one power butto, but with the Harmony, half the time it doesn't accurately power it on and that gets really annoying because it has this 5 second or so warm-up time and it never goes back to AV1 (which is where I always leave it when I turn it off), so I have to wait until it warms up and then switch it to AV1, all of which is handled by a Macro, that is IF the thing actually turns on in the first place.

Am I likely to run into the same problem with the A2000/XBR1? Please tell me that the answer is no.
post #1462 of 14227
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

It's not grayed out on the XBR1 for 1080i. That capability was added for v2. Maybe the current v1 wasn't "backfit" with the capability? But, I don't know.

It appears you are correct. I confirmed with Sony this evening that the A2000s will not do 3:2 PDR for 1080i.

Chase
post #1463 of 14227
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Originally Posted by DJL53 View Post

I have the Sony NS75H connected via component and via HDMI. Watching Spiderman on SD DVD I tried 480P over component, 480P over HDMI and 1080i over HDMI. It is difficult to compare because it's not side by side but rather takes about 10 seconds between views at the different settings. I'd say that all three look very good but the 1080i looks slightly better to my eyes. Whether it is what you call a substantial difference is really up to how critical the reviewer is and also the results may vary depending on the DVD player as well.

I am very impressed with the 60A2000 so far. It has surpassed my expectations on both play back of SD DVD's, as well as, HD movies from HBO and other channels.

Edit: I redid the test a few more times using different frozen scenes and it's really difficult without being able to see them side by side. The HDMI is slightly better than component but my eyes and experience are not up to deciding whether there's a noticeable difference between 480p and 1080i over HDMI. When the scenes are not frozen it might be my imagination but I like the 1080i. I'd be interested in other owner opinions.

DJL53,
Thanks very much for taking the time to do this test. I realize it's difficult when you can't have them side by side. As you said, it's a very subjective test, but it's encouraging to me that you had to look that closely to see the differences. As with you, I'd also be curious to hear other owner opinions of this test.
Thanks again,
-Mighty
post #1464 of 14227
I've been trying to order the 50 at crutchfield with the special financing option of no payment for 18 mos., no interest, but i don't know how to enable it. I chatted with an employee and she said that it was at the checkout, but i did not see it!

From those of you who have ordered with this payment plan, please instruct me on how to enable it.
post #1465 of 14227
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Originally Posted by jonathankk View Post

I've been trying to order the 50 at crutchfield with the special financing option of no payment for 18 mos., no interest, but i don't know how to enable it. I chatted with an employee and she said that it was at the checkout, but i did not see it!

From those of you who have ordered with this payment plan, please instruct me on how to enable it.

i had same problem with another internet site . all i had to do was disable my firewall and or antivirus.
post #1466 of 14227
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Originally Posted by AGZELA View Post

After reporting that the PQ was subpar at best, I had my ISF trained tech come out and this is what he did to make it dramatically better and just as good if not better than the XBR1's

HDMI settings using a Directv HD receiver
1- Set the Color Matrix to Custom and all resolutions to either ITU601 or ITU709 mine are ITU601. (MY ISF guy found inaccurate color with the automatic setting)
2- Set Cinemotion to Auto it helped to clear up the 480I signals a whole lot.
3- Turn OFF all enhancements(CNET recommends this for the XBR1 as well)
4-Go to a 480i signal and change the DRC palette to High Density and MAX for both reality and clarity(top right corner of box)
5- Use power saving mode=on it enhances the blacks without the extra noise from the other options.

These are my Picture settings after ISF (mind you he did go into the service menu)
Picture mode= Custom
Advanced Iris= Auto 1
Picture= 80
Brightness= 56
Color= 57
Hue=0
Color Temp=Neutral (ISF Tech found it to be the closest to 6500K)
Sharpness= 50

White Balance settings=
r-Gain=-11
g-gain=-13
b-Gain=0
r-bias=4
g-bias=3
b-bias= 2


All I can say is that WOW,,,I am watching Kingdom of Heaven on HBOHD and I can see the blood spurting out of the horses and the knights with such clarity and 3d effect that I am BLOWN AWAY........finally.....

Forget DRCv2.5 on the XBR2 you only really need it for 480i sources which the A2000 has that ability,,,buy the XBR2 because you want an extra HDMI port or because you like the DUMBO EARS....


Sorry this is a really noobish question, as I dont know much about calibration or what it intails.What if I just copied all the settings you listed above on to my TV, would i then not need to calibrate it? would my picture be very similar to yours? does the ISF guy do other things to the tv besdies change around the settings? Im sure he must do something if its costs that much, but is it needed if I just copy your settings?
post #1467 of 14227
Quote:
Originally Posted by AGZELA View Post

After reporting that the PQ was subpar at best, I had my ISF trained tech come out and this is what he did to make it dramatically better and just as good if not better than the XBR1's

HDMI settings using a Directv HD receiver
1- Set the Color Matrix to Custom and all resolutions to either ITU601 or ITU709 mine are ITU601. (MY ISF guy found inaccurate color with the automatic setting)
2- Set Cinemotion to Auto it helped to clear up the 480I signals a whole lot.
3- Turn OFF all enhancements(CNET recommends this for the XBR1 as well)
4-Go to a 480i signal and change the DRC palette to High Density and MAX for both reality and clarity(top right corner of box)
5- Use power saving mode=on it enhances the blacks without the extra noise from the other options.

These are my Picture settings after ISF (mind you he did go into the service menu)
Picture mode= Custom
Advanced Iris= Auto 1
Picture= 80
Brightness= 56
Color= 57
Hue=0
Color Temp=Neutral (ISF Tech found it to be the closest to 6500K)
Sharpness= 50

White Balance settings=
r-Gain=-11
g-gain=-13
b-Gain=0
r-bias=4
g-bias=3
b-bias= 2


All I can say is that WOW,,,I am watching Kingdom of Heaven on HBOHD and I can see the blood spurting out of the horses and the knights with such clarity and 3d effect that I am BLOWN AWAY........finally.....

Forget DRCv2.5 on the XBR2 you only really need it for 480i sources which the A2000 has that ability,,,buy the XBR2 because you want an extra HDMI port or because you like the DUMBO EARS....


Once a member posts their settings (thanks Agzela), can the rest of us just apply them to our sets and perform minor tweaks as required? In other words, what's the use of hiring someone to calibrate the TV once someone posts the ideal settings? Will settings change that much from set to set?

Thanks for the insight.
post #1468 of 14227
wow did we jsut ask the same question? lol
post #1469 of 14227
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Originally Posted by tim86 View Post

wow did we jsut ask the same question? lol

Indeed we did. Hopefully it will increase the chances of getting a good answer.
post #1470 of 14227
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Originally Posted by Paul33993 View Post

Not to keep beating a dead horse, but you 3 make it seem like my suspicion is correct: That enabling Power Saving mode on the A2000 will yield better black levels. Wish an actual owner would experiment and report.

Definitely! Powersave limits light output which is why black levels are better. Durning the daytime you won't notice the difference as much but in the evening at home you will.
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