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post #211 of 14269
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If you were in my situation, what would you do?

Wait as long as possible to decide (i.e., don't let the "no questions asked" return period expire.) If it turns out the 2006 models have problems (whether green blobs or something else,) then you might be better off keeping the XBR1. Otherwise, it's the greater configurability of the XBR1 versus the 1080p inputs on the 2006s. Personally, I'd go for the configurability of the XBR1, provided I didn't intend to keep the set for at least 7 years. But with an expected lifetime of at least 7 years, the 1080p inputs would outweigh the configurability. The reason for the 7-year test is the amount of time required before the amount of 1080p sources become dominant. It will be a few years before the selection of HD-DVD/BRD disks will become compelling, and even longer for the satellite/cable operators to start transmitting 1080p signals.
post #212 of 14269
I am starting to think these owners are getting selfish. Just give me more pictures. Oh ya, PLEEEEEEZ
post #213 of 14269
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Originally Posted by OneDude View Post

Last week, I bought my XBR1 from BB for $3k (price match on an internet store... I got lucky and they did it).

If the A2000 proves to have the same, or better picture quality, and I can get it for a similar price, I would consider returning the XBR1. I really don't care about the speaker design, but true 1080P would be nice for the future and HD-DVD. I love the XBR1 so far though... I haven't noticed a green blob or anything, but I'm still trying to figure how to tweak the SD quality.

If you were in my situation, what would you do?

I was in the same situation--30 day return window ended a few days ago. I decided to keep it. Is is XBR, which means side speakers, P & P, memory stick and cable card. I actually like and use the side speakers, the memory stick, and P & P. I don't think the advantages of 1080p, if any, mean anything today.

What would have made a difference to me would have been some indication that the A2000 will have fewer convergence and color uniformity issues. No sign that that is the case, though. If you are worried about the "green blob" showing up, just get an extended service agreement--probably a good idea with SXRD technology, anyway.
post #214 of 14269
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Originally Posted by sourcery View Post

Wait as long as possible to decide (i.e., don't let the "no questions asked" return period expire.) If it turns out the 2006 models have problems (whether green blobs or something else,) then you might be better off keeping the XBR1. Otherwise, it's the greater configurability of the XBR1 versus the 1080p inputs on the 2006s. Personally, I'd go for the configurability of the XBR1, provided I didn't intend to keep the set for at least 7 years. But with an expected lifetime of at least 7 years, the 1080p inputs would outweigh the configurability. The reason for the 7-year test is the amount of time required before the amount of 1080p sources become dominant. It will be a few years before the selection of HD-DVD/BRD disks will become compelling, and even longer for the satellite/cable operators to start transmitting 1080p signals.


The problem I have with this theroy is: In 2 to 3 years when bluray and hddvd players are $300 or less and "if" most of the movies are available in 1080p, you will be sick about spending another 3k to get a 1080p tv. But it is also possible you will not be able to tell the diff between 1080i, not sure I could. It is a risk if 1080p ends up being that much better.
post #215 of 14269
"What would have made a difference to me would have been some indication that the A2000 will have fewer convergence and color uniformity issues. No sign that that is the case, though."

HUH? What have you read so far that indicates the A2000 will have color uniformity issues? Did i miss something?
post #216 of 14269
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Originally Posted by yet2b View Post

I was in the same situation--30 day return window ended a few days ago. I decided to keep it. Is is XBR, which means side speakers, P & P, memory stick and cable card. I actually like and use the side speakers, the memory stick, and P & P. I don't think the advantages of 1080p, if any, mean anything today.

What is the memory stick useful for? Sorry, I didn't read my manual yet And is there a way to use the P&P on the same video input (like two pictures for Video 4)?
post #217 of 14269
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Originally Posted by OneDude View Post

What is the memory stick useful for? Sorry, I didn't read my manual yet And is there a way to use the P&P on the same video input (like two pictures for Video 4)?

The memory stick was useful in seeing how bad a problem you had with the green blob.
post #218 of 14269
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when bluray and hddvd players are $300 or less and "if" most of the movies are available in 1080p

I believe the players will get cheap rather quickly. However, I don't believe that HD disks will become available all that quickly. For one thing, it took about 6 years for DVD availability to roughly match that of VHS. And hi-def DVDs are not likely to catch on as quickly, for a variety of reasons. SD DVDs provide full value to any SD tv owner. Hi-def DVDs do not.
post #219 of 14269
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What have you read so far that indicates the A2000 will have color uniformity issues? Did i miss something?

As of now, we have good reason to hope that the 2006 SXRD sets won't have the same problems as those of the 2005 sets. But we do not yet know that for a fact. Perhaps they do, and perhaps they don't. I think that's all that was meant.
post #220 of 14269
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Originally Posted by sourcery View Post

I believe the players will get cheap rather quickly. However, I don't believe that HD disks will become available all that quickly. For one thing, it took about 6 years for DVD availability to roughly match that of VHS. And hi-def DVDs are not likely to catch on as quickly, for a variety of reasons. SD DVDs provide full value to any SD tv owner. Hi-def DVDs do not.

I'm sure we'll see all new releases in hi-def of one format or the other. It's the back catalog that may take some time. The wildcard in that too is the hybrid discs that Toshiba has already demonstrated.
post #221 of 14269
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Originally Posted by sourcery View Post

As of now, we have good reason to hope that the 2006 SXRD sets won't have the same problems as those of the 2005 sets. But we do not yet know that for a fact. Perhaps they do, and perhaps they don't. I think that's all that was meant.

From reading the 2005 XBR1 thread, it could take months for a set to start showing these issues. I read some people had great sets then all of the sudden a green glob appeared. I don't think we are going to know for a while
post #222 of 14269
it says 5-10 days, except I live near where it was shipped from. So I'm guessing it will be here in 4 days or so..

My theater system will be here monday... hopefully the tv almost as soon. Unfortunately my tv stand, won't be here for 7-10 days from the other side of the country, so I'll probably have a tv without the stand :-P
post #223 of 14269
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Originally Posted by bill175 View Post

From reading the 2005 XBR1 thread, it could take months for a set to start showing these issues. I read some people had great sets then all of the sudden a green glob appeared. I don't think we are going to know for a while

And if the issue does appear on your set please be specific about size, placement and persistance of the affected area. I've read a ton of posts on the blobs and often can't tell between the serious problems and people who are freaked out and concerned about uniformity issues that either disappear or don't affect normal viewing. (Other than a couple picture posters who definitely had serious problems.)

I'm not trying to give Sony a pass here, but 1 of 3 XBR1's on a showroom I was looking at had a very minor green tint in the bottom right part of the screen. It wasn't viewable on about half the content and was easily ignored. I haven't seen a perfect TV yet and even though my 36 XBR tube has its issues it's been a nice set for a lot of years now.

Hopefully they won't show up at all but if they do you owners can really help us weigh the trade-offs.
post #224 of 14269
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Originally Posted by reio-ta View Post

Did you go into the auto adjustement of the PC menu of the A2000 with the xbox 360 in 720p?


Sorry folks, but unless i'm a complete idiot (and the wife says the jury's still out on that one) the VGA input WILL NOT provide any kind of full screen resolution. I'll be happy to be corrected but here are the pictures showing the xbox 360 with a VGA connection using the normal mode and the full mode. My computer has the option of selecting normal, full1 or full2. The xbox at the 1280 x 720 (I think the first number is 1280) only gives the options of normal or Full1. Like with the xbox, my notebook could not be displayed full screen either. The resolution was fantastic, and VERY useable, but did not fill the screen under any "wide" mode.

As an aside, I must say that I was VERY pleased with the picture quality when playing DVDs from the xbox 360 I popped in the Incredibles and it truly was incredible....It's nice to get to the "Details" section of the menu and vary the picture from no details to high details (without cycling through the intermediate levels) and you can see how dramatically the A2000 changes the image. There is a scene in the Incredibles showing a brick wall, and with details off the wall looked good (smooth), but when you put the details on high you could see all of the texture in the bricks. I like that you can preview the picture on the set while you are making the adjustments.

Pictures
post #225 of 14269
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Originally Posted by yet2b View Post

Sports?

Anyway, on the SXRD1, I use the P & P to display SD in the left window. I have its size increased to the max, and the right pane turned off. Sounds like you found a way to get much the same effect with the A2000.

I had thought about doing this too with the pip....can someone confirm on the new A2000's that you can freeze the picture and make the smaller "live" tv shot larger and turn off the freezed picture so you can get better sd quality like you could with the XBR1 ?
post #226 of 14269
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Originally Posted by gdog2004 View Post

I had thought about doing this too with the pip....can someone confirm on the new A2000's that you can freeze the picture and make the smaller "live" tv shot larger and turn off the freezed picture so you can get better sd quality like you could with the XBR1 ?

I know that you can freeze the picture, but i haven't figured out how to make the smaller live picture larger. I didn't see it in the manual but i'll look again....
post #227 of 14269
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Originally Posted by gdog2004 View Post

I had thought about doing this too with the pip....can someone confirm on the new A2000's that you can freeze the picture and make the smaller "live" tv shot larger and turn off the freezed picture so you can get better sd quality like you could with the XBR1 ?

and if it can then the area around the pictures should be grey, a good place to test for green-ness
post #228 of 14269
no you can't do squat in freeze mode unless there is a super secret SONY unlock code that you enter with the remote....you know like up, up, left, right, enter, enter, so.......no you can't change it....
post #229 of 14269
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Originally Posted by drmrw View Post

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....It's nice to get to the "Details" section of the menu and vary the picture from no details to high details (without cycling through the intermediate levels) and you can see how dramatically the A2000 changes the image. There is a scene in the Incredibles showing a brick wall, and with details off the wall looked good (smooth), but when you put the details on high you could see all of the texture in the bricks. I like that you can preview the picture on the set while you are making the adjustments.

This was an area that I thought the XBR1 didn't handle very well. What I noticed on the 60" model was that on faces where there wasn't hard edges like on the upper cheeks, it was overly smooth. Can you find content close up (real people, not animation) with basically head and shoulder lenth views and see if you can see the oversmoothing I described or if its detailed where you can see the pores.
post #230 of 14269
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Originally Posted by timify10 View Post

Where's the nice pictures of the 60A2000. Come on guys!

Seriously what is taking so long, im starting to get worried here

Where are those nice pictures that make us say "Wow, I want this". So far ive only seen subpar pictures of sd that makes me say meh.

Still waiting to decide if I should return my new Samsung for one of these babys.
post #231 of 14269
Question for you guys...assuming you had a choice between a 50" version of this set or a 50" bravia lcd --which would you choose ? Do you feel FP LCD is a better technology than the SXRD at this point ? I own a 45" aquos which is outstanding and they are due to come out with a 1080p 52" model in a few months. Trying to decide what may be the best choice here...
post #232 of 14269
mr. foo, any results for the deinterlacing tests yet?
post #233 of 14269
I see motion blur on your tv and most LCD tv's and can't stand it.

Vote SXRD. Vote against Motion Blur.
post #234 of 14269
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

I see motion blur on your tv and most LCD tv's and can't stand it.

Vote SXRD. Vote against Motion Blur.

I agree with that.

The PSP's LCD is a huge offender with motion blur.
post #235 of 14269
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Originally Posted by bill175 View Post

I know who yu are talking about. The pharmacist right? My Mits did have dark detailer but still as with all the DLPs did not do as good a job on shadow as the XBR1 on reviews. The new Mitsubishis are supposed to do proper deinterlacing. I have yet to see any DLP review other than the HP that says that it can fully resolved all of 1080.

Yeah he means me
post #236 of 14269
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

Yes, that's him. One of the reasons i don't like DLP is they seem to crush blacks. Harder to squeeze out detail in dark scenes, like in an alley.

Yep, me. I'm stuck watching a Vizio 32" LCD set that I picked up until I decide to buy either an A series or an XBR
post #237 of 14269
Looking to get the 60" with the standard stand - SU-RS11X however I can't find the height of the two shelves. I need to put my center channel speaker down there and want to make sure it fits.

Marshall
post #238 of 14269
download the mnual, i thought i read earlier that it had all the dimensions in it.
post #239 of 14269
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

I see motion blur on your tv and most LCD tv's and can't stand it.

Vote SXRD. Vote against Motion Blur.

Hmm---not sure how you could see motion blur
My set has a 6ms response time. I have the 720p 45"--the 2006 models.
Perhaps you are confusing mine with the 1080p 45" models from last year which had 12ms response time. Trust me the newest lcd's dont have motion blur.
But hey I am a fan of both SXRD and FP lcd...(at least mine)---just looking for some people who may have seen both. I may have to just buy an A2000 from cc and compare side to side while I am in the 30 day window.
post #240 of 14269
I work at sears...i see these all day long. And we dont have any 1080p sets. There is motion blur...you just dont see it.

Let me guess you dont see rainbows, so you dont think they exist either? So I take it your an atheist then also?

lol. just playin.
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