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post #241 of 14269
seriously, they have motion blur. really watch for it. once you notice it, you always will. If you have sateleite, turn to HDN High definition news. The fat anchor guy moves his hand around a lot, and it blurs.

Mind you, we output 1080i on our box though.
post #242 of 14269
Speaking of rainbows, has anyone who's owned one of these A2000's for more than a few days now seen any rainbows (wife is very susceptible)?
post #243 of 14269
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

seriously, they have motion blur. really watch for it. once you notice it, you always will. .

Boy gdog was happy since he didn't see the blur. His life will never be the same now
post #244 of 14269
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Originally Posted by hschultz View Post

Speaking of rainbows, has anyone who's owned one of these A2000's for more than a few days now seen any rainbows (wife is very susceptible)?


This set is not DLP, the rainbow effect is non existant on the A2000.
post #245 of 14269
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Originally Posted by hschultz View Post

Speaking of rainbows, has anyone who's owned one of these A2000's for more than a few days now seen any rainbows (wife is very susceptible)?

rainbows are an artifact specific to single chip DLP technology. SXRD technology uses three color panels, and is at no risk for producing rainbows.
post #246 of 14269
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by fade23 View Post

I've sent him an HD DVD iso with the relevent test patterns. I layed out a step by step procedure here; that's geared towards using a PC to output, but all the steps are the same once you have a test pattern outputting at 1080i fron an HD DVD unit.

I spent two hours this morning trying to burn the HD-DVD test disc for the deinterlace test and couldn't get it to work.

I downloaded the iso file and burned three different DVD-R's and the Toshiba player each time gave me a "NOTPLAY" error.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong here but if anyone can help with detailed instructions on how to properly create the disc I am willing to try again.

I have Nero burn software.
post #247 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Mr. Foo View Post

I spent two hours this morning trying to burn the HD-DVD test disc for the deinterlace test and couldn't get it to work.

I downloaded the iso file and burned three different DVD-R's and the Toshiba player each time gave me a "NOTPLAY" error.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong here but if anyone can help with detailed instructions on how to properly create the disc I am willing to try again.

I have Nero burn software.


Does your player support the DVD-R format?
post #248 of 14269
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Originally Posted by preludejtstyle View Post

seriously, they have motion blur. really watch for it. once you notice it, you always will. If you have sateleite, turn to HDN High definition news. The fat anchor guy moves his hand around a lot, and it blurs.

Mind you, we output 1080i on our box though.

Hmm--I guess I wont be watching the Fat guy waving his hands on HDNET. Good news though ! Nascar racing, basketball games, action movies dont have any motion blur !

Im glad you can see motion blur with a 6ms response time. I cant and I am glad I cant. Makes my options a little more open
post #249 of 14269
Thread Starter 
Yes, the Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player does support DVD-R and it seems like other people have successfully gotten the this test disc to work on their players.

I am sure that I am screwing something up somehow.

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Originally Posted by HoundDogCatia View Post

Does your player support the DVD-R format?
post #250 of 14269
Mr. Foo,

Here is the thread I originally got the ISO from. They may have some insite there. They seem to recommend the freeware ImgBurn for getting this onto a a disc; may want to download that and try a burn that way. Unfortunately, I don't have an HD DVD player myself, so I have no way of verifying my own burn.
post #251 of 14269
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Originally Posted by gdog2004 View Post

My set has a 6ms response time.

only at certain times. it may have a 20ms response times during others. Those numbers aren't exactly perfect.
post #252 of 14269
Mr. Foo~

Have you watched any black and white programs yet? Any if you have, how is the picture and the blacks? Thanks
post #253 of 14269
Thread Starter 
OK, I downloaded the ImgBurn program and it worked like a charm.

Attached is a picture I took of the screen during the VERTREZ test.

I have marked the block of interest with the word "HERE", which I believe is the correct one to look at from the instructions in the link that fade23 posted above.

If this is the correct block of lines to looks at, then I have good news for everybody.

The lines in this block all remain distinct, which I believe siginifies that the A2000 is doing a proper weave deinterlace and preserving the full 1080 lines of resolution.

I ran the VERTREZ MOTION test and I suppose I need help in assessing the results (and can't really post a readable screen cap because of the motion). The lines remain distinct in this test but when the line/blade sweeps through the block the trailing edge of the line/blade as it sweeps through the block of lines has some black along it. The rest of the block shows the distinct lines same as the VERTREZ test. Note also that when I pause the test, the entire block goes black - not sure what that means if anything.
LL
post #254 of 14269
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

The a2000 doesn't have a cable card slot.

Major bad news!!
post #255 of 14269
sweet. any signs of any possible problems? (color/uniformity)
post #256 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Mr. Foo View Post

OK, I downloaded the ImgBurn program and it worked like a charm.

Attached is a picture I took of the screen during the VERTREZ test.

I have marked the block of interest with the word "HERE", which I believe is the correct one to look at from the instructions in the link that fade23 posted above.

If this is the correct block of lines to looks at, then I have good news for everybody.

The lines in this block all remain distinct, which I believe siginifies that the A2000 is doing a proper weave deinterlace and preserving the full 1080 lines of resolution.

I ran the VERTREZ MOTION test and I suppose I need help in assessing the results (and can't really post a readable screen cap because of the motion. The lines remain distinct in this test but when the line/blade sweeps through the block there is some black that immediately surrounds the line as it sweeps throught the block of lines. The rest of the block shows the distinct lines same as the VERTREZ test. Note also that when I pause the test, the entire block goes black - not sure what that means if anything.


thank god. i can finally rest now.
post #257 of 14269
Thread Starter 
One update upon further inspection:

On the Vertrez Motion test, it is actually the trailing edge of the line/blade as it sweeps through the block of lines that has some black along it.

I have to head out for a few hours but will check back later and see what the experts have to say about these findings and if they are definitive or not.
post #258 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Mr. Foo View Post

I ran the VERTREZ MOTION test and I suppose I need help in assessing the results (and can't really post a readable screen cap because of the motion). The lines remain distinct in this test but when the line/blade sweeps through the block the trailing edge of the line/blade as it sweeps through the block of lines has some black along it. The rest of the block shows the distinct lines same as the VERTREZ test. Note also that when I pause the test, the entire block goes black - not sure what that means if anything.

I'm no Yves Faroudja, but that sounds like region-based motion adaptive as opposed to pixel-based. Still good news in my book. And a good example of why the pass/fail methodology is overly simplistic. There are many degrees of quality when it comes to deinterlacing. Hopefully this ends the drama. Except somehow I doubt that will happen.

BTW, thank you Mr. Foo for taking the time to run the test.
post #259 of 14269
Okay. I just got back from Abt Electronics (north of Chicago). They did not have the A2000 on the floor when I got there, but they were nice enough to get one out and set one up. (On a side note, HOLY CRAP, what an UNBELIEVABLE store and what GREAT customer service!)

My experience:
- Absolutely no discolorations of ANY kind. I'm intimately familiar with the green haze / blob and I know what to look for. I saw no problems during startup, after the set was warmed up, or when I had an all white or gray background.
- My mind could be playing tricks, or it could be because the set was brand new out of the box, but the picture did look slightly brighter than the XBR1's.
- The blacks looked a little better than last year's models; I only saw purplish blacks when I cranked the "picture" and "brightness" settings all the way up (something nobody is really going to do.)
- The SD was tolerable. I would say that it would be at the low end of "fine" in my book. Everything looks kinda "fuzzy". I have no idea how good the SD signal was, because it (of course) had been split a number of times for all of the sets. IMHO, I don't think the SD performance is any better or worse than last years model. It's tough to judge from store feeds.
- These sets look smaller than a "normal" 60". I counted 6 times somebody asked if the set was a either a 50" or a 55". Wrong... 60".
- Silk screen effect did not even pop into my head while I was viewing the set, so it must be as good (or better than last year's model) since I didn't notice it. I'm not saying it's not there, I just didn't notice any problems with it.
- The salesman offered me a HUGE discount off of the MSRP. I'm not going to take it though because a retailer that is an hour closer to my house (slightly) beat Abt's price once I told them about it. I highly doubt they are going to offer anymore "deals" since they appeared to be selling VERY well at full price (read below).

My wife's opinion from the picture I showed her:
- I like the silver
- I'm glad the stupid "ears" are gone

If you want to talk "WOW factor", I'll tell you what happened this morning. They set the A2000 up on a temporary roller cart for me to check out / monkey around with. Within 10 minutes, an individual and a couple who had no previous knowledge of these sets each bought the sets right on the spot after seeing the picture for a minute or two.

After finally seeing these sets, I can honestly say that it looks like Sony did their homework with these sets; they are going to sell a zillion of these things

(BTW, I was talking to the salesman about the upcoming XBR2's. I was told that the lamp in the new XBR2's WON'T be user replaceable, a technician will have to do it. Has anybody else heard this?)
post #260 of 14269
I have three weeks to decide whether I should return Sammy 6187 and get a 60 inch A2000. In my eyes, I preferred 6187 to last year's XBR1 in several viewings at a local CC. So far in my house, I haven't seen any noticeable problem including RBE in my 6187.

However, if there is a place where I can do a side-by-side comparison between 6187 and A2000 near San Diego, I would like to know. If there is a consensus that the A2000's PQ is superior to XBR1's, I would like to know.

Thanks.
post #261 of 14269
misterjensen, that is great news! I have changed my mind a couple times about waiting for the 50" or springing for the 60", but you very well have made my mind up. And, taking what Mr. Foo found out for us earlier, it looks like I may be sold. Hopefully I can stop by Crutchfield this evening to see if they have one in stock, and pick it up tomorrow! Gotta make room, and probably tear apart my home entertainment center for a temporary stand, but I think I'm finally going to delve into the world of High Def, after I call D* that is...
post #262 of 14269
Hi all...preordered my a2000 earlier this month thru sonystlye... Checked email and says it shipped but dont know when it will arrive...tracking no. not working . Anyways, look forward to hooking this bad boy up and enjoy watching my huge dvd collection...
post #263 of 14269
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Originally Posted by GioTech View Post

Hi all...preordered my a2000 earlier this month thru sonystlye... Checked email and says it shipped but dont know when it will arrive...tracking no. not working . Anyways, look forward to hooking this bad boy up and enjoy watching my huge dvd collection...

I feel bad for all those who cancelled their orders over the stupid DRC argument.
post #264 of 14269
Misterjenson Thanks for the info. Now I can not wait until mine arrives Tuesday
from ABT). I have been reading all these posts waiting for the first bad news. Maybe I made the right decision.
post #265 of 14269
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Originally Posted by naxos41 View Post

I have three weeks to decide whether I should return Sammy 6187 and get a 60 inch A2000. In my eyes, I preferred 6187 to last year's XBR1 in several viewings at a local CC. So far in my house, I haven't seen any noticeable problem including RBE in my 6187.

However, if there is a place where I can do a side-by-side comparison between 6187 and A2000 near San Diego, I would like to know. If there is a consensus that the A2000's PQ is superior to XBR1's, I would like to know.

Thanks.

I'm thinking the Tweeter (I've been to the one in Vista) could have them both up soon. Last time I called them, however, they did not know when they would get the 60A2000 in stock. You may want to call them and see.
post #266 of 14269
misterjensen, very convincing. I think you have answered any remaining doubt I have had. Now, I just need to figure out where to get one of these. I don't like paying retail, so I am not really too excited about ordering through Sony direct. I also just called the local Sony Style store and they said it will be about two weeks before they have one on display. That to me does not make a whole lot of sense if consumers already have them.
post #267 of 14269
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Originally Posted by djpheer View Post

I feel bad for all those who cancelled their orders over the stupid DRC argument.

Ditto...dj
post #268 of 14269
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Originally Posted by HoundDogCatia View Post

I also just called the local Sony Style store and they said it will be about two weeks before they have one on display. That to me does not make a whole lot of sense if consumers already have them.

Same with Sony Style in Tigard Oregon. They are predicting mid to late August. Maybe they're wrong. It seems silly that Joe Random Consumer can buy (and receive) these direct and the stores don't have them. OTOH they still have a bunch of 2005 model XBRs to get rid of.
post #269 of 14269
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Originally Posted by GioTech View Post

Ditto...dj


its always better to be safe than sorry. Considering this is a big investment for many, cancelling the order and waiting is totally reasonable.
post #270 of 14269
May I ask a very newbie style question?

I keep hearing people refer to "SD".

What is "SD"?

I'm sure I must know what this is, but just am not familar with the term.

Thank you.
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