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post #6841 of 14269
geoffblue

Your post is laughable. You are the same guy that has been banned over and over. You come back under a different screen name and post the same unfounded statements.
Tell me this. If it is impossible for the SXRD technology to work than why is it in its 3rd generation? If it was impossible to work it never would have been released. Nor would JVC use almost the exact same technology in their LCOS displays.
You are wrong when you say it is always present and you are wrong in saying it will always show up. My good friend has had a XBR1 for over 1 year. Heavy viewing. No, I repeat, No color blobs, haze or other issues. This display was set up and calibrated by me. Using several testing DVDs and test patterns. Sorry to say, that if it hasnt shown up on his XBR1 after this long, it wont. So your whole post has just been blown out of the water. Its nothing more than a poor attempt to bash sony's displays while you promote toshiba and samsung.
Also, I have a A2000 and have no issues after 2 months of heavy viewing. Please go away and stop spreading unfounded information. You have no proof. To point out a problem that SOME of the SXRD have had does not prove what you say. Even if there was 1000 people on this forum with a color blob problem. That still is only a small % of all the SXRDs that have been sold.
post #6842 of 14269
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Originally Posted by henderson5 View Post

I was thinking of the 60 inch sxrd, but i'm worried about the vertical viewing angle. Does anyone out there have any suggestions?

Avoid the fireplace. Heat kills.

RPTV sets do not have good vertical viewing angles, and human necks fail when forced to look up for extended periods of time. Plasma sets have outstanding vertical viewing angles, but you still have the neck and heat problems.
post #6843 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Tzone7 View Post

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You have a PM.
post #6844 of 14269
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Originally Posted by henderson5 View Post

I'm just finishing my basement. I've built in a unit for a tv, 62x42 below it will be a fireplace.

The tv will be sitting 44 inches off the floor. The seating area will be about 15 feet back.

I was thinking of the 60 inch sxrd, but i'm worried about the vertical viewing angle. Does anyone out there have any suggestions?


I am always concerned about placing a display anywhere near a fireplace. If the fireplace is never used then everything is fine. However if it is used. The resulting heat can cause all kinds of problems. Most displays can only displace the heat that they create plus any normal outside heat. Heat from a fireplace and the resulting smoke in the air, can cause all kinds of problems with a display. If you can avoid the placement I would.
As for the viewing angle. That seems to be a bit extreme, you would definitely alter the perceived picture with that placement.
post #6845 of 14269
I have the KDS60A2000 and I seem to have a problem with displaying orange. Things that are supposed to be orange come up as a more red color. I live in Cincinnati and watch the Bengals every Sunday, and it's kind of unusual not seeing orange the right way. Anyway, I have Digital Video Essentials and I seem to have the Red, Green, and Blue colors with the color filter looking pretty good. Is there something I can modify in the basic menu to get a better orange or do I need to go into the service menu to change some things? Thanks for any info as this will be nice to fix. The TV other than this is utterly fantastic looking, especially with PS3 games and Blu-ray. If I can get the oranges looking better it will be a perfect TV for me.
post #6846 of 14269
can someone please post a link to the compusa ad for a2000. i cant find unadvertised specials
post #6847 of 14269
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Originally Posted by jonathankk View Post

can someone please post a link to the compusa ad for a2000. i cant find unadvertised specials

http://www.compusa.com/specials/sale...bonusdeals.asp
post #6848 of 14269
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

Has anyone hooked up their PC to this TV?

I cant get the picture to display full screen. I am setting my resolution to 1360 x 768 , however there are black borders on all sides no matter what resolution I try. I didnt have this issue on my JVC tv, so I was wondering what I am doing wrong with this TV. I also tried changing the zoom on the TV, etc..

Anyone that can help me I would MOST GRATEFUL!

Thanks!!!

That's as good as it's going to get through the PC input. If DVI is an option for you, use a DVI to HDMI cable and you should be able to use 1920x1080 to fill the screen. (It works great on my MacBook Pro in both OS X and Windows XP.)
post #6849 of 14269
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Originally Posted by vksf01 View Post

so the SXRDs work best out in the desert, then!

so i wonder why it's so hard for sony to get their LCOS technology to work, when JVCs don't have that problem. i would've kept my JVC except that fan noise was driving me nuts!

JVC does not employ sxrd....lcos is a difference technology. The sxrd is where they put the components (resistors etc) behind the lens instead of on the side between the lenses. They did this to be able to place the lenses closer together and remove the screen door effect. Because of the incompetence of the sony engineering, they failed to realize the disatrous effect of refraction. As the sxrd edges are now so microscopically close, they are approaching the wavelengths of the light. Refraction occurs when two edges get so close the approach the visible light wavelength and then bend the light hence affecting the color. The edges are so close now its impossible for the spacing to be controlled within enough tolerance to prevent refraction. The coffee stain effect in the center of the screen is a result of those lenses making that stain heated differently then those arround it. the shape is equivalent to the heatsink mounting footprint on the sxrd device.

Its an impossible problem to fix, at least economically enough for consumers. Hence Sony has to keep pushing the defective technology until they ultimately can abandon it for dlp or other. Anyone who owns a sxrd has the problem, everyone, it shows in various degrees of intensity, but ultimately it will become an obvious green hazey coffee stain in the center of the screen or a green hazey smuge somewhere on the screen. Color can vary depending on the edge spacing and will vary due to manufacturing differences from lot to lot.

Your best bet is to return the defective sxrd and get something decent like the 2007 1080p dlps. Which are better then sony in all respects even if sony did not suffer from the green glob.
post #6850 of 14269
Shhhh.
post #6851 of 14269
Attached are some pics of the green face problem on my A2000 that I have posted about before. This is just one example. They are from Thursday nights footbal game on channel 95 from DirecTV. DirecTV was showing the game in HD on 95.

If it was a problem with the broadcast then everyone would have seen it. Did anyone else see these green faces?

I can't see how this is normal for any TV or broadcast.
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post #6852 of 14269
hey holtzd, Place the Gamma On max, then trun off the Black maker... U wont see that anymore !
post #6853 of 14269
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Originally Posted by holtzd View Post

Attached are some pics of the green face problem on my A2000 that I have posted about before. This is just one example. They are from Thursday nights footbal game on channel 95 from DirecTV. DirecTV was showing the game in HD on 95.

If it was a problem with the broadcast then everyone would have seen it. Did anyone else see these green faces?

I can't see how this is normal for any TV or broadcast.

the green face problem you notice is there 100% of the time. Once its starts getting bad, and it will, you wont have to try and see it. Its a problem caused by the sxrd technology.

The sxrd is where they put the components (resistors etc) behind the lens instead of on the side between the lenses. They did this to be able to place the lenses closer together and remove the screen door effect. Because of the incompetence of the sony engineering, they failed to realize the disatrous effect of refraction. As the sxrd edges are now so microscopically close, they are approaching the wavelengths of the light. Refraction occurs when two edges get so close the approach the visible light wavelength and then bend the light hence affecting the color. The edges are so close now its impossible for the spacing to be controlled within enough tolerance to prevent refraction. The coffee stain effect in the center of the screen is a result of those lenses making that stain heated differently then those arround it. the shape is equivalent to the heatsink mounting footprint on the sxrd device.

Its an impossible problem to fix, at least economically enough for consumers. Hence Sony has to keep pushing the defective technology until they ultimately can abandon it for dlp or other. Anyone who owns a sxrd has the problem, everyone, it shows in various degrees of intensity, but ultimately it will become an obvious green hazey coffee stain in the center of the screen or a green hazey smuge somewhere on the screen. Color can vary depending on the edge spacing and will vary due to manufacturing differences from lot to lot.

Your best bet is to return the defective sxrd and get something decent like the 2007 1080p dlps. Which are better then sony in all respects even if sony did not suffer from the green glob.
post #6854 of 14269
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Originally Posted by jonathankk View Post

can someone please post a link to the compusa ad for a2000. i cant find unadvertised specials

I went to Compusa last night to check out the "special deal" for the 60A2000, they had three TVs available at that price and there were maybe 300 folks went in the store ahead of me. Obviously I couldn't get one. Just found out the Sears.com is selling it for $1999 too. Normally Sears is the last place I would buy electronics from, but a good deal is a good deal so I ordered one.


I bought a 50" Samsung 1080P DLP less than two months ago. The picture, after a $500 professional calibration, is stunning. Can't wait to see how the 60A2000 compares to the calibrated Sammy.
post #6855 of 14269
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Originally Posted by bimmerguy288 View Post

I went to Compusa last night to check out the "special deal" for the 60A2000, they had three TVs available at that price and there were maybe 300 folks went in the store ahead of me.

Some CompUSA stores didn't have them at all. The salesman said they were only available in stores with a "Home Entertainment" section. The stores in my area have a section with TVs, but apparently not a "Home Entertainment" section.
post #6856 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Spidergames View Post

hey holtzd, Place the Gamma On max, then trun off the Black maker... U wont see that anymore !

The black enhancer is already off and I've tried the gamma setting but I'll try again. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try anything at this point.
post #6857 of 14269
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Originally Posted by holtzd View Post

Attached are some pics of the green face problem on my A2000 that I have posted about before. This is just one example. They are from Thursday nights footbal game on channel 95 from DirecTV. DirecTV was showing the game in HD on 95.

If it was a problem with the broadcast then everyone would have seen it. Did anyone else see these green faces?

I can't see how this is normal for any TV or broadcast.



This is EXACTLY what I am seeing as well...exactly (thanks for posting the pics, now people can see what we are talking about).


Never had black corrector on but I will try the gamma.
post #6858 of 14269
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Originally Posted by omarr View Post

That's as good as it's going to get through the PC input. If DVI is an option for you, use a DVI to HDMI cable and you should be able to use 1920x1080 to fill the screen. (It works great on my MacBook Pro in both OS X and Windows XP.)

Are you 100% sure about this. I just have a feeling I am missing something. My crappy JVC HD-DILA was able to do this, I cant imagine that the sony is incapapble of filling up the screen. I just had to find the correct resolution for the JVC. I will try the 1920 x 1080 and see if that works, anyone else have any suggestions or input?
post #6859 of 14269
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Originally Posted by bimmerguy288 View Post

I went to Compusa last night to check out the "special deal" for the 60A2000, they had three TVs available at that price and there were maybe 300 folks went in the store ahead of me. Obviously I couldn't get one. Just found out the Sears.com is selling it for $1999 too. Normally Sears is the last place I would buy electronics from, but a good deal is a good deal so I ordered one.


I bought a 50" Samsung 1080P DLP less than two months ago. The picture, after a $500 professional calibration, is stunning. Can't wait to see how the 60A2000 compares to the calibrated Sammy.


Thanks ALOT for the heads up on this.

We bought our A2000 at Sears a little over a week ago.

Girlfriend is on her way to Sears right now to get us about 300 bucks back on their price match guarantee.
post #6860 of 14269
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Originally Posted by holtzd View Post

Attached are some pics of the green face problem on my A2000 that I have posted about before. This is just one example. They are from Thursday nights footbal game on channel 95 from DirecTV. DirecTV was showing the game in HD on 95.

If it was a problem with the broadcast then everyone would have seen it. Did anyone else see these green faces?

I can't see how this is normal for any TV or broadcast.

Holtzd,

I did not see this broadcast but have the same green tinge problem that you have. See my posting of #6662 and follow up replies. I have had my set ISF calibrated and while my A2000 looks stunning on many broadcasts, the green face tinge problem shows up on my broadcasts on various channels. I had my ISF calibrator come back out to check it out. He showed me my problem with a green tinge with the gray scale on my A2000 at 40% brightness. He could not get a perfect gray scale (white) at this level but tweaked it more towards red to rid the green tinge. I had a still image from a recording on my DRV of this green tinge to illustrate this problem to him. He was able to get most of the green tinge out (especially with the beard stubbles on the face---FOX's Dr House). Now I have a slight shift towards red but it has greatly helped the green tinge problem but not completely solved it. My ISF calibrator has seen this problem on a number of Sony SXRDs and says that it is not isolated to mine. I don't know if this problem varies with individual samples of the A2000 and/or if some of us owners are more sensitive to it. I am having another ISF calibrator who knows the Sony SXRD very well come out in several weeks to look at my set. I'll let you know the outcome.

Anyway I really love the PQ post calibration of the A2000 but this green tinge problem still bothers me. One person (kutyafal) had 3 different HDTVs home and tuned to the same broadcasts (all different brands including a 57" Mitsu 732, a 50" Panny plasma, and the A2000). He only saw the green tinge problem on the A2000 so it was going back. He posted on the A2000s owners thread about this. This green tinge face problem appears to be an artifact on at least some of the Sony SXRDs.
post #6861 of 14269
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Originally Posted by bimmerguy288 View Post

I went to Compusa last night to check out the "special deal" for the 60A2000, they had three TVs available at that price and there were maybe 300 folks went in the store ahead of me. Obviously I couldn't get one. Just found out the Sears.com is selling it for $1999 too. Normally Sears is the last place I would buy electronics from, but a good deal is a good deal so I ordered one.


I bought a 50" Samsung 1080P DLP less than two months ago. The picture, after a $500 professional calibration, is stunning. Can't wait to see how the 60A2000 compares to the calibrated Sammy.

Thanks for this heads up! I went back to CC this morning for this price match and got 110% back.
post #6862 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Jakub37 View Post

Thanks for this heads up! I went back to CC this morning for this price match and got 110% back.

Unreal pricing! $1960 at CC when they match!!! WOW!
I am looking for a 55 inch as the 60 is a bit too large as my seating distance is less than 9 feet, but this sure is tempting.
post #6863 of 14269
I am psyched! I was able to get a a2000 at my comp usa store last night. Of course I had to wait in line for over an hour, but it was worth it. I also got a free x-box 360 core as part of the special. I am not a gamer but may become one.; does the x-box work with a sony?

also is it worth getting an extended warranty for this tv?

Thanks!

Kevin
post #6864 of 14269
Yes the 360 will look great on this TV. My PS3 looks amazing, even with their fist gen graphics.

Getting the warranty... well thats up to you. But with this TV and its problem with the Green Blobs id get the warranty. If you can afford it.. .do it I think. But thats just me.

Its a SWEET TV! I got the 50" and man it looks amazing!
post #6865 of 14269
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Originally Posted by holtzd View Post

Attached are some pics of the green face problem on my A2000 that I have posted about before. This is just one example. They are from Thursday nights footbal game on channel 95 from DirecTV. DirecTV was showing the game in HD on 95.

If it was a problem with the broadcast then everyone would have seen it. Did anyone else see these green faces?

I can't see how this is normal for any TV or broadcast.

your living the hell know as the sony green glob. . Its the defective sxrd technology that causes a green hazey coffee stain shape in the center of the screen that is present 100% of the time. Its called the green glob. Do a search on green glob and youll see the 1000s of posts of complaints. It cannot be repaired. Best thing is to return it and get something decent like the 2007 1080p dlps. As soon as the public wises up (of course the sony fanatics never do) sony will drop the technology and go to dlp and give the technology some fancy name to disguise the fact. Typical sony deception.
post #6866 of 14269
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Originally Posted by bokupixels View Post

your living the hell know as the sony green glob. . Its the defective sxrd technology that causes a green hazey coffee stain shape in the center of the screen that is present 100% of the time. Its called the green glob. Do a search on green glob and youll see the 1000s of posts of complaints. It cannot be repaired. Best thing is to return it and get something decent like the 2007 1080p dlps. As soon as the public wises up (of course the sony fanatics never do) sony will drop the technology and go to dlp and give the technology some fancy name to disguise the fact. Typical sony deception.

Not trying to be rude, but if you had read what Holtzd and myself posted on the issue, you would know that the green Blob, is NOT the issue AT ALL.

The green blob issue is something that is stationary and usually in the center of the screen and is VERY easy to spot with a pure grey screen. Myself and Holtzd have checked for green blob using a grey screen and its not there.

Honestly, you seem like a Sony "hater".

I am very happy with my SONY TV other than the green tint issue and I am not a fan of DLP.
post #6867 of 14269
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Originally Posted by bokupixels View Post

your living the hell know as the sony green glob. . Its the defective sxrd technology that causes a green hazey coffee stain shape in the center of the screen that is present 100% of the time. Its called the green glob. Do a search on green glob and youll see the 1000s of posts of complaints. It cannot be repaired. Best thing is to return it and get something decent like the 2007 1080p dlps. As soon as the public wises up (of course the sony fanatics never do) sony will drop the technology and go to dlp and give the technology some fancy name to disguise the fact. Typical sony deception.

Hmm, for some reason you sure do sound an awful lot like geoffblue. Still trying to slam Sony are we?
post #6868 of 14269
I just bought a 60" A2000 this past week and after viewing several movies (sitting about 7" away) and getting use to the screen I started to notice more of what I think is called the silk screen effect (sse). Correct me if I'm wrong..... If I look closely at the screen with the tv off I can see the bumpy anti-glare coating. Is this what is causing the pearl like distortion on the screen? I've heard people talk about a shimmering effect related to sse but havent really noticed that. It's more of a texturing effect that is noticable on solid colors making them softer in appearance. I really like the A2000 other than this issue and would rather not return it but it is distracting and I tend to notice it now more than ever. Is there a way to clean this up a little bit? I've tried tweaking the contrast and black levels somewhat but it's still quite visible.

Thx for any help...
Stephen
post #6869 of 14269
I just finished reading the comments on the green faces. I turned on my 50a200 and noticed it on the faces in Titanic being broadcast on the local HD ABC channel. Ill try some of the suggestions to mitigate the effect.
post #6870 of 14269
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Originally Posted by holtzd View Post

Attached are some pics of the green face problem on my A2000 that I have posted about before. This is just one example. They are from Thursday nights footbal game on channel 95 from DirecTV. DirecTV was showing the game in HD on 95.

If it was a problem with the broadcast then everyone would have seen it. Did anyone else see these green faces?

I can't see how this is normal for any TV or broadcast.

Looking at both of your pictures/examples.....I don't see any green tint on either one. They both look like normal skin tones. However, that just could be my eyes.
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