Originally Posted by strategicthinker
I agree, the source is of utmost importance. Camera to camera variations are apparent on the same show. I am getting life-like skin tones for darker people on NBC HD.
I bought my Dad a Sony 46E2000 (LCD). Didn't like it at all for other reasons. We were watching some DVD's on that set and I noticed the green tint on faces/beard stubble. The scene had to be shadowy (say the back seat of a car at night) with an additional light source shining in for it to happen (the camera or street lights, etc). Until reading these posts and replacing that set with a 50A2000 which may even be worse (green problem), I assumed it was the program source. I was planning to take the movie upstairs and compare on my older 57"Sony CRT RPT. I have NEVER noticed this phenomenon before so it really was obvious to me the first time I saw it-color was fine and then people turned green and then they were fine when the shadows changed. As everyone says, with most programming it is not a big deal and the colors are accurate.
Okay so what's going on: The Sony E2000 3LCD RPT's have the green tint so it's not SXRD technology per se as some suggest. From what I can see, the various modes don't make much difference so it's not a sheer light output issue either.
I watched Collateral (T. Cruise, Jamie Foxx) last night on the A2000. Lots of shadowy car shots, night shots, beard shots, black skin shots. What a torture test! Big problem with this movie. I see a complete green tinge, say to a night sky, but only when something else lights up the sky in that scene, like a helicopter's searchlights or a skyscraper skyline with lit windows. Plain black is fine but throw in some people in less than black shadows with secondary light and things go green??? It's not the programming.
Jamie Foxx and Jada Pinkett look green-tinged in shadowy night shots but perfect in normal light. The green beard effect was there with white-skinned actors in shadowy scenes. It's as if a secondary light source contrasting with the dark scene or even something as small as dark beard hairs trips up the set and it goes green. Can anyone explain exactly what the problem is?
I am not planning to exchange because I do not think it is a defect or something broken-it is a design error. Either opt out of Sony light engines of that ilk or get something else. I will fiddle and see if I can get it to be acceptable.
One other biggie: I have Verizon FIOS cable service. Either this set does not like moving objects (even noticeable with DVD) or my service is compromised. HD still images, especially close up look awesome. I don't know if the camera goes out of focus or whether as soon as there is even SLIGHT movement of the person or image from dead stationary, details soften out until the image becomes still again and then they snap into focus. Watch the details in people's faces as they move and the face goes from sharp to soft. Maybe it's the camera, but I suspect that the Sony is poor at upconverting everything to 1080P. If this TV was for watching 1080 slides, I'd recommend it. Probably 1080P sources are great too.
I had Verizon FIOS out to the house and they claim the signal is adequate. I find SD very soft looking. image break-up ranges from noticeable to terrible. Can't tell if it is station to station variations or differences in what the broadcast is sending on a particular day or time. Sometimes time of day seems to matter. Sports can be pretty bad (look in the background or during motion) but occassionally an HD broadcast is somewhat decent (Fox football was watchable in HD the other day). HD close-ups with sports always look best. The announcers look great except for the subtle detail loss with motion. SD sports are terrible-the TV cannot handle motion and upconversion at the same time I guess. Even golf swings look bad. Sometimes I see little rainbows on the club shaft or other white objects when watching golf.
This is all so new to me, I do not know whether to blame the TV, the cable service, the broadcaster, the particular show at that moment, etc. I am NOT impressed with digital artifacts in this supposed HD world. I am becoming VERY sensitive to motion artifacts. I had it with Comcast in HD, switched to FIOS 'cause they promised a cure and same problem, maybe worse.
Watch the Sony image and you'll see smoothing out of the intoxicating details of faces and patterns in suits (herringbone, plaid) with even the slightest motion. I see it with DVD and HD. SD is so bad it's always smooth. What I don't know is if the program is smoothing out the detail because the camera pans and changes focus or if it's the TV processing. I never was aware of this upstairs with my CRT RPT, so I suspecet the 1080P processing 'till I prove otherwise. I think this is a really annoying problem. When people move around they go from great detail to "paint by numbers looking".
Would I like a Panasonic 50" 720P plasma any better?? Considering this option. Will play for another week or so until 30 days gets close.
Good luck with the green tint. Watch Collateral and see how bad it is.