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post #7021 of 14269
Has anybody tested to see if the VGA port on the 60" accepts 1080p input? Mainly froom the 360? Might be interested in getting the HD-DVD Add on for the 360 if it works?

Thanks!
post #7022 of 14269
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Originally Posted by cap70 View Post

This have absolutely nothing to do with the old green blob problem. What you are seeing may be result of poor calibration, poor source, poor connection(s) or convergency. If this was the green blob, then you would see the whole face greenish, not just in some parts of the face.

It may be poor calibration. I don't think it's poor source since even HDnet, Discovery HD and MTV HD all have it. I have Verizon Fios, connected via HDMI. I will play with it more to see what happens.
post #7023 of 14269
I just chated with a Sony online support tech. He said they had never heard that being an issue and the TV had good review. He suggested me to adjust the hue and unplug the power cord to reset the TV. Folks in this forum know 100 times more than those Sony support techs.
post #7024 of 14269
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Originally Posted by JediMaster109 View Post

Has anybody tested to see if the VGA port on the 60" accepts 1080p input? Mainly froom the 360? Might be interested in getting the HD-DVD Add on for the 360 if it works?

Thanks!


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=760019
post #7025 of 14269
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Originally Posted by ngamer007 View Post

Is the green tinge really that bad where I shouldn't get the set? Is it that distracting?

No. Green tinge is mostly a white balance issue. Take your color setting all the way to zero, then adjust the white balance, reducing the "bias" to reduce green in dark areas, or "gain" to reduce it in light areas, so all shades of gray are true gray not tinged one way or another, then bring the color setting back up to where things look natural, not oversaturated or pushed. Try setting your set to "Warm 1" and color around 40 to 45 as a start.

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And that's great news that it has VGA. I'll be able to watch upscaled DVDs and play games/HD-DVD in 1080p from my Xbox 360.

VGA supports a maximum resolution of 1366xsomething on the A2000.
Component will support 1080i.
1080p is only supported through the HDMI ports.
post #7026 of 14269
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Originally Posted by JediMaster109 View Post

Has anybody tested to see if the VGA port on the 60" accepts 1080p input? Mainly froom the 360? Might be interested in getting the HD-DVD Add on for the 360 if it works?

Thanks!

VGA supports a maximum resolution of 1366xsomething on the A2000.
Component will support 1080i.
1080p is only supported through the HDMI ports.
post #7027 of 14269
THANKS A TON!!! Hope the new fix works!
post #7028 of 14269
Thanks to this forum I finally took the plunge and bought a KDS50A2000 SXRD yesterday. I haven't done any tweaks yet just took it out of the box and hooked up my new DVD player and watched MI III last night. Pretty spectacular right out of the box. I did notice the green tint to the faces in some scenes but after reading everything here (well not everything as there is a lot of posts!) I'm pretty confident that with the settings suggested by several of the forum members I'm going to be pretty happy. And more importantly the wife is happy as well. Luckily from reading here I was able to warn her that the dish "normal" channels wouldn't look that great. Comcast is coming out next week to install HD stuff so I can't wait for that.

Several months ago I had gone into Sears and just fell in love with the picture of the A2000. But at $2400 it was way out of my budget. Last week had pretty much made my mind up to get a Panasonic or Hitachi 42" plasma as they were in my price range and they looked pretty good. I went into Sears to take a look at the Hitachi price and lo and behold there was the A2000 at $1899. Couldn't believe it. I went to BB and the salesman took my word for it and I got the $1789 price. Plus my $100 discount for comcast (which after I called them I got the free installation) and the $150 gift card from the receiver I bought on Black Friday and even the wife was happy.

Again I'd like to thank the members of this forum (yes even the sony haters) for the information and discussions that were so full of information. It was very helpful in finally making a decision. I guess the bottom line is that I really liked the picture I was seeing.
post #7029 of 14269
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Originally Posted by jimmyv View Post

No. Green tinge is mostly a white balance issue. Take your color setting all the way to zero, then adjust the white balance, reducing the "bias" to reduce green in dark areas, or "gain" to reduce it in light areas, so all shades of gray are true gray not tinged one way or another, then bring the color setting back up to where things look natural, not oversaturated or pushed. Try setting your set to "Warm 1" and color around 40 to 45 as a start.

Personally, I find the picture looks better set at "Neutral", not "Warm 1". And in the "Custom" mode. And a color setting of 40 - 45 is way too much for my taste anyway, under either neutral or warm. I have mine set at 27 and that works best for me. It's enough color and having the color minimal yet very good minimizes the variations between channels.
post #7030 of 14269
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Originally Posted by rollcage View Post

I've seen several posts about deals on A2000's in this thread, but given that the title states "No Price Talk", I presume price discussion is discouraged here. Is there an accepted place that those of us looking for an A2000 (specifically a 60A2000 for me) can share pricing info and deal news (like the thanksgiving compusa/xbox deal) without having to PM each other?
Thank you,
Chris

Chris,

Try this site, they don't have a problem with quoting prices and stores.

Not nearly as big as this site but there is a lot of good information there as well.

Link: http://www.highdefforum.com/

---Jerry---
post #7031 of 14269
Guys... how does the 60a2000 compare with the Mitsu Y65 65" dlp?
post #7032 of 14269
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Originally Posted by redchiro View Post

I bought my Dad a Sony 46E2000 . . . We were watching some DVD's on that set and I noticed the green tint on faces/beard stubble. The scene had to be shadowy (say the back seat of a car at night) with an additional light source shining in for it to happen (the camera or street lights, etc).. . . .

One other biggie: I have Verizon FIOS cable service. Either this set does not like moving objects (even noticeable with DVD) or my service is compromised. HD still images, especially close up look awesome. I don't know if the camera goes out of focus or whether as soon as there is even SLIGHT movement of the person or image from dead stationary, details soften out until the image becomes still again and then they snap into focus. . . . .

The green is in the source material and I agree do to lighting (i.e. a specific wavelength light used in filming the sp[ecific scene probably), but the A2000 is excentuating the green. It's still there when you watch the the same scene on a different TV, but not as obvious.

As to the motion artifacts. The A2000 has cheap video processing. It's not horrible and works okay on a lot of stuff, but indeed it does make standard definition look soft and 1080i material blur with horizontal panning. I knew this and save the extra money versus an XBR and bought an external video processor that is much better than the XBRs (Key Digital iSync Pro/HD through the AVS power buy). If you don't like the motino blurring and want excellent 1080i (or any other sgnal for that matter) to 1080p (the native resolution of the A2000) processing , then you will need to do the same thing. You can't dial out that problem like you can for the most part the green tinged from tricky source material.
post #7033 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Randomcreek View Post

I also did as you have to remove the green tinge on face shadows that BTW only seem to occur with certain source material. I also turned on live color which also seems to help. I run my set in low lamp mode. I wonder if this may contribute to the problem (i.e. face shadow brightness is too low for set to display correct fleshtone for some reason). Perhaps this is why the XBR has the brighter bulb. Sony knows this is a problem and fixed it in the XBR with a new light engine. I will test tonight and report my findings here. Overall the PQ is great with this one exception. I'm okay as long as I can dial this out, but if it gets worse or if I had a set that could not I would not be happy- it's very unnatural looking when it occurs.


We shouldn't have to de-tune a TV such as the Sony Grand Wega to make it watchable. We should be able to set the white balance, color and hue properly and see a great picture. Instead we are all moving the settings away from optimal to make it watchable. Reducing g-gain, g-bias, moving hue towards red, turning on Live Color is all just a work around to make it watchable. Wish I would have returned my A2000 when I could. Each day I see new people on this forum complaining about the green face issue. I know that many of you are happy with your A2000 and don't like it when others bash it. I'm sorry but I am bashing it. I called Sony and sent them e-mails and I'd be just as well off talking to a bum on the street. Sony has been no help whatsoever. All they can tell me to do is unplug the power for 5 minutes and make sure I have it properly connected to my source devices. They claim that no one has reported any issues at all with the A2000.
post #7034 of 14269
I received my 50A2000 last night. After getting the Dish Network receiver hooked up, I was initially disappointed with the SD quality with the out-of-the-box, uncalibrated settings. My Avia discs haven't arrived yet, so I applied some of the settings in this thread out of curiosity.

And wow, what a difference the Cinemotion and Noise Reduction features make on the SD signals. Can't wait to tweak it further tonight.

I haven't seen any evidence of the green blob at all, but I haven't looked hard for it either (nor am I certain of the easiest method to test for it).
post #7035 of 14269
Oh, and the 360 looks absolutely incredible. Per the tests and recommendations alluded to earlier, I used 1080i mode on the 360, and set it to Gaming Mode. I perceive no lag whatsoever and the picture is incredible.
post #7036 of 14269
I have finally done it, I have been Mr. Procrastination for 2 years....I just ordered the KDSA2000. I can't wait to set up my 360 and HD DVR next Friday.
post #7037 of 14269
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Originally Posted by jimmyv View Post

No. Green tinge is mostly a white balance issue. Take your color setting all the way to zero, then adjust the white balance, reducing the "bias" to reduce green in dark areas, or "gain" to reduce it in light areas, so all shades of gray are true gray not tinged one way or another, then bring the color setting back up to where things look natural, not oversaturated or pushed. Try setting your set to "Warm 1" and color around 40 to 45 as a start.

The green tinge is not a white balance issue. I have calibrated the white balance with SpyderTV Pro and black and white material has no green tinge at all. Others have had their set calibrated by an ISF tech and the green face problem is still present. When the green face problem is present the green goes away if take the color setting all the way to zero.
post #7038 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Feirstein View Post

My July build 60A2000 has a green tone concentrated in the center 40% of the screen. It makes gray scale calibration a bit of a hit or miss effort. I would not call it a blob but it is not desirable.

Richard.

Is your greenish area worse if the room temp at startup is below 70 degrees? Also does it get better after 30-45 minutes on time? Mine seems to behave that way. It's not very easy to spot on most material, but irritating to know it's there. Overall though the A-2000 rocks for the price, and I still would buy another one. Since I see rainbows on DLP's, the A-2000 is my best option for a great PQ in a decent price 60 inch set. Given the rapid price drops on all tv's lately, I may buy a 70inch in a year or two, and rotate the 60 A-2000 to secondary use. I want the 70 under $3500.00 before I am willing to do that though.
post #7039 of 14269
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Originally Posted by holtzd View Post

The green tinge is not a white balance issue. I have calibrated the white balance with SpyderTV Pro and black and white material has no green tinge at all. Others have had their set calibrated by an ISF tech and the green face problem is still present. When the green face problem is present the green goes away if take the color setting all the way to zero.


I am still curious to know if anyone has a set that there is no Green Face issue. I just wonder if us that have this problem just got bum sets?

Is there anyone out there that doesn't have this green face problem???
post #7040 of 14269
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

I am still curious to know if anyone has a set that there is no Green Face issue. I just wonder if us that have this problem just got bum sets?

Is there anyone out there that doesn't have this green face problem???


I just went to BB to see their KDS, they had a 50" and a 55" side by side showing baseball game. They both had green tinge on closed-up shots of faces, even the sales guy agreed when I pointed it out. I am sure some lucky ones here don't have that problem at all. Maybe it's caused by poor calibration. Then again, my new Samsung DLP had "sun-burned" faces before it was calibrated.
post #7041 of 14269
i picked up my kds 60 yesterday(i got an amazing deal at b.b). its replacing my samsung hlp5085w(the captain kirk). i tweaked the settings a little and watched some hd on d*. i liked the hd picture i was getting. then i watched superman returns(bd, i couldnt find the hd dvd version and i badly wanted to watch it on my new set) on my ps3. it was really sweet. in the words of borat "very niice". i could tell that the set needs some calibration. soon as i get my 100hrs down its a go.
post #7042 of 14269
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

I am still curious to know if anyone has a set that there is no Green Face issue. I just wonder if us that have this problem just got bum sets?

Is there anyone out there that doesn't have this green face problem???


My 60A2000 is a November build date bought from Nebraska Furniture Mart in Kansas City. I have had it for about a week and have not seen any green faces at all. Maybe I haven't had it long enough to have this problem materialize, but it definitely is not an issue with me.
post #7043 of 14269
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

I am still curious to know if anyone has a set that there is no Green Face issue. I just wonder if us that have this problem just got bum sets?

Is there anyone out there that doesn't have this green face problem???

I think the lack of 'sunburned face' syndrome on these sets makes it more likely to see 'greenish' faces on some material. But as I posted before, I am suprised everyone is freaking out about this, given that I see it on MOST sets I look at in stores, hotels , gyms, etc. Since it's not always present, and so common on other sets, it's hard to totally blame the A-2000 for it.
post #7044 of 14269
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

I am still curious to know if anyone has a set that there is no Green Face issue. I just wonder if us that have this problem just got bum sets?

Is there anyone out there that doesn't have this green face problem???

Yup.
post #7045 of 14269
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

I am still curious to know if anyone has a set that there is no Green Face issue. I just wonder if us that have this problem just got bum sets?

Is there anyone out there that doesn't have this green face problem???

The only green faces I've seen are Kermit and The Hulk.
post #7046 of 14269
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

I think the lack of 'sunburned face' syndrome on these sets makes it more likely to see 'greenish' faces on some material. But as I posted before, I am suprised everyone is freaking out about this, given that I see it on MOST sets I look at in stores, hotels , gyms, etc. Since it's not always present, and so common on other sets, it's hard to totally blame the A-2000 for it.

LOL. I was just at the supermarket and while looking at the mags along the checkout line was actually noticing some green tinge on the faces on the covers. I'd never noticed it before. I think there's an element now of us being trained and sensitized to look for it.
post #7047 of 14269
I'm seriously considering swithcing to dish for its 25 hd channels when my new
60"' sxrd arrives next week. only thing holding me back is the persistant problems reported with the dish's 622 box hdmi connection. any of you using the 622, and how many of you have had problems or no problems?
post #7048 of 14269
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

I'm seriously considering swithcing to dish for its 25 hd channels when my new
60"' sxrd arrives next week. only thing holding me back is the persistant problems reported with the dish's 622 box hdmi connection. any of you using the 622, and how many of you have had problems or no problems?

I haven't had any issues with the 622 and my 50" SXRD using HDMI
post #7049 of 14269
My 60A2000 was delivered 4 hours ago. I have a Tosh HD-DVD player and Sammy BD player connected via HDMI and a DirecTivo connected via component. Did a little "eyeball" setup in Custom mode--had to raise brightness a coupla notches and lower Picture to about 92 or so per the THX test patterns on Titanic, and moved Hue 2 notches toward red, and am using power saver mode. All the other advanced adjustments are at default for Custom mode except green bias which I turned down one notch.

No abnormal green tinge in faces at all--some stubbly faces in dark scenes on the HD-DVD of King Kong--specifically Jack Black's face in the screening room scene--have exactly the same greenish tinge they had on my old set and also on the Sharp HD flat panel in the bedroom. This is a NON-ISSUE. I have a copy of the HD-DVD version of DVE on order and will wait for that before doing any more calibration.

I thought the pq on my Sony KP57HW-40 was great but I can honestly say that the A2000 blows it away. Better contrast ratio due to less internal reflection in the set, much better detail--Titanic upconverted by the Tosh looks almost as good as Kong HD-DVD did on the old set, and Kong on the new one is a revelation.

I was a bit concerned because my original choice was the JVC FN56 1080p lcos set which always looked sharper than the A-2000 next to it in BB. I guess the display set in BB must be an early production model with the bad service menu setting because my Nov 06 A-2000 looks at least as sharp as the JVC at BB, without the slight ringing of the JVC.

I work in the Electronics dept. of a large Sears store and have played with all the sets they sell---my new A-2000 looks better than all but the XBR-2, and equal to that one on all but SD fed at 480i which I don't use at home anyway.

This set can look absolutely amazing out of the box with a few minor adjustments and I could not be happier with it.
post #7050 of 14269
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Originally Posted by ihyln View Post

I haven't had any issues with the 622 and my 50" SXRD using HDMI

Same here. Works great, better than expected in fact. The only thing I don't like is the HD tuner is not as good as the A2000. Channels I sometimes have problems with using the 622 tuner always come in fine on the A2000's internal tuner.
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