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post #7081 of 14269
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Originally Posted by UForgotten View Post

I'm getting my 55a2000 on tuesday, so now I can post here.

The gist of it is, the color we are most sensitive to is green, and it's also the color that sometimes hardest to produce properly. After having an intro to monitor calibration training myself, I understand why any set would show blacks and whites as green. Even the color (or more specifically, chromaticity) settings being incorrect could make anything look overly green.

That being said, I have seen several of these in various electronics stores side by side with other sets, and I did see a KDS-60A2000 where everything black looked greener in comparison to the same image on other sets. I would venture to say that the average consumer with the set at home would not notice a slight color error because we have no reference to compare it to. Color accuracy is neither a myth nor a showstopper, it's simply dependent on the consumer's perception. And the ability of the set to be calibrated to produce accurate colors, of course.

I still purchased the A2000, because of all the different TV's on the market, this is the one model that stood out - even with the competing DLP's from Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and Samsung right next to it on the same image feeds. I also got to see it playback local SD cable. I was impressed with the SD, it upscaled well.
I also got to see the "Hawaii demo" and it was very eye-catching. Some retailers have this be the first TV you see when you walk in the door, and others have it hidden in the back. I still somehow see the A2000 as the shining star overall among the group and after seeing 4 demonstrations of it with giving other TVs an equal chance to wow me, I think I made the right choice. You have to look at the big picture. OK, pun intended.

Thanks for letting me share my observations.
Please, carry on amongst yourselves.

I had an interesting talk with the Mitsubishi rep at the Sears where I work. He said that color perception is also a cultural variable--Asian cultures prefer greenish tint in fleshtones while Americans typically like a pinker shade. He went on to explain that this is why movies shot on Fuji film stock have a cooler green/yellow bias while those shot on other filmstocks don't.

My previous set, a 5 year old Sony KP57HW40 had a decidedly greenish cast in dark areas of the screen, which I corrected in the service menu. My new A-2000 also had it, but not nearly as bad, and it was easily fixed with the bias controls.

I have an overall greenish tint while the bulb warms up, all over the screen so not a "glob" issue and it clears up within a couple of minutes. I've got a hockey game on now, more to check for color impurity than because I like hockey and the color uniformity thruout the screen is perfect--no more of the slightly reddish left and slightly bluish right sides as is normal with crt based sets.
post #7082 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Steve S View Post

It doesn't need convergence or geometry adjustment, don't know if overscan can be reduced in the service menu but it can be increased in the user menu. It has very noticeably less overscan than my previous crt based HD set. DVE would be a good start. After running it if you're still unhappy with the pq a professional calibration may be in order. I have the new HD-DVD version of DVE on order so haven't used my AVIA disc on my new A-2000, just the THX drop shadow pattern on the Titanic dvd to get black level right and do a bit of eyeball adjustment on the grayscale. I'm quite familiar with do-it-yourself calibration having done it with AVIA on several sets so far and am quite happy with my A-2000 so far. I think I'm more likely to spring for a SonyStyle extended warranty than an ISF calibration right now.

You can easily adjust the greens one good option on this tv is you can easily adjust the red,green and blue
post #7083 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Tzone7 View Post

Yes thats it. I read over the instructions again to make sure. Do your adjustments with a test pattern up. So you can see if you are adjusting the right way. You need to tighten the screws all the way to see the result of the adjustment. As long as you dont strip out the holes or screws this is a simple adjustment. Just take your time when you do it. Dont be in a rush. Good Luck.

Thanks a lot, Im talking to my Calibrator who is coming to do this new 60" this Sunday... I think we are going to do it together.. I think, Ill figure it out anyway. Thank again.... I have that page with instuctions bookmarked so I know where to look and why.
post #7084 of 14269
My older HDTV was a Sony Wega 36" CRT/tube from about 3 years ago. Really amazing picture, just a little small.

I recently bought a KDS-50A2000. I have to say I'm a little unimpressed right now. The image seems so much more blurry than my tube was. Is there any way this can be improved?
post #7085 of 14269
how much arse does the SXRD own over the KDF-55e? anyone>?
post #7086 of 14269
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Originally Posted by Roguecop View Post

Forgive me if this was covered before. I will receive a 60A2000 soon and I had a question regarding computer hookup. From what I understand the VGA input on this Sony is not the best. My video card has DVI but no HDMI output. Has anybody tried a DVI to HDMI to the 60A2000 and have been able to produce a respectable resolution? I would like to display 1080i HDTV Wonder recorded content to this set and I'm curious if it will work well if at all...

You just need to pick up a DVI-->HDMI cable (I ordered one from amazon for $13 shipped -- just waiting for it to arrive). Right now I have it hooked up with component from my 6200 and using the NVIDIA controls to take the resolution down to 1840x1016 and it looks great (even though it's only 1080i). I was actually surprised at how clear text was with the component cables so I can't wait to set it up at 1080p.

Here's a link on how to set it with the dvi-->hdmi cable: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php?t=714417
post #7087 of 14269
I was in Tweeter and noticed the green tinge on a stubble bearded face on a a2000, then noticed it on the xbr2 next to it as well as two Mits dlp sets a 732 and 831. The green tinge was slightly worse on the dlps. This I feel points to the source. After the scene changed all sets then looked normal.
post #7088 of 14269
Interesting... While I have not spent a whole lot of time in the other threads, I have spent some time browsing them to see what problems are happening with other units...

Why is it that Sony owners seem to be the only ones talking about this?

Maybe it just takes one message to get everyone's eyes focused on this one anomaly...
post #7089 of 14269
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Originally Posted by MikeekiM View Post


Maybe it just takes one message to get everyone's eyes focused on this one anomaly...

I firmly believe this is the case. The power of suggestion is a powerful one. I bet at least 95% of the people buying these tvs that do not visit these type of forums never notice any problems. That is not to say that we should not strive for the best picture possible and these forums are not valuable tools.
post #7090 of 14269
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Originally Posted by jimkell View Post

I firmly believe this is the case. The power of suggestion is a powerful one. I bet at least 95% of the people buying these tvs that do not visit these type of forums never notice any problems. That is not to say that we should not strive for the best picture possible and these forums are not valuable tools.

I think this is a similar situation
post #7091 of 14269
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Originally Posted by d_anders View Post

If someone already has a progressive dvd player that can output 480p via component cables, is it really necessary to invest in a dvd upvert player with hdmi via the Sony 2006 A2000's?

You are probably better off turning off the progressive feature of your DVD player and letting the A2000 do the upconversion from 480i. As I understand it, it has special processing for handling upconversion of SD that doesn't get used if you feed it 480p.
post #7092 of 14269
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Originally Posted by kinglerch View Post

I think this is a similar situation


HAHAHAHA!! Monkey Man of New Delhi... Funny. Never heard of this before. I dont believe this is similar because there is no proof of Monkey Man, however I can send you pictures of the green faces on my TV. It exists, and I didnt notice it on my last HD TV, and I was critically viewing it. I should mention though I think my issue is slighly exagerated due to the fact of the poor Color Uniformity on my set. I am going to have Sony come out a 2nd time and replace the optical block.
post #7093 of 14269
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Originally Posted by mtvcev View Post

Does anyone know why the audio of some broadcasts is out of sync. to the lips of the commentator?

You didn't give much info to go on but, the reason for HD broadcasts is that there is a different processing path for digital video and digital audio. Usually, these are synchronized, but the network/station may do something that changes one of these paths and increases/decreases processing time with the result that audio doesn't sync with video. I've also observed this problem a few times with DVRs, where somehow the playback gets out of sync. Simply stopping the DVR playback and restarting from that point always fixes that problem for me.
post #7094 of 14269
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

HAHAHAHA!! Monkey Man of New Delhi... Funny. Never heard of this before. I dont believe this is similar because there is no proof of Monkey Man, however I can send you pictures of the green faces on my TV. It exists, and I didnt notice it on my last HD TV, and I was critically viewing it. I should mention though I think my issue is slighly exagerated due to the fact of the poor Color Uniformity on my set. I am going to have Sony come out a 2nd time and replace the optical block.

What are the symptoms of having a bad optical block?
post #7095 of 14269
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Originally Posted by MikeekiM View Post

What are the symptoms of having a bad optical block?

Did you somehow miss the multitude of threads and posts and polls about color uniformity, green blob and yellow streak problems?
post #7096 of 14269
237 pages, sheesh! Got my 55A2000 today, and I'm already in need of some advice. The picture has been rotated approx. 1 degree counter-clockwise. There's no Rotate function in the setup menu. Does anyone know how to get into the service menu, and does it have a Rotate function?
post #7097 of 14269
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

Did you somehow miss the multitude of threads and posts and polls about color uniformity, green blob and yellow streak problems?

LOL... Thanks...

You know, I have seen the multitude of threads separately mentioning all of these, but never really tied them all together in terms of root cause... Thanks again...
post #7098 of 14269
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

237 pages, sheesh! Got my 55A2000 today, and I'm already in need of some advice. The picture has been rotated approx. 1 degree counter-clockwise. There's no Rotate function in the setup menu. Does anyone know how to get into the service menu, and does it have a Rotate function?

What you actually want to do is rotate the optics and that is adjustable. It's been discussed earlier in this forum. If you rotate the image in the service menu, you'll have jaggies in horizontal or vertical lines. There are tons of adjustments in the Service Menu. This one would be in the Panel menu.
post #7099 of 14269
I got my 60A2000 last Sunday. Does calibration void warranties ?
post #7100 of 14269
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

You didn't give much info to go on but, the reason for HD broadcasts is that there is a different processing path for digital video and digital audio. Usually, these are synchronized, but the network/station may do something that changes one of these paths and increases/decreases processing time with the result that audio doesn't sync with video. I've also observed this problem a few times with DVRs, where somehow the playback gets out of sync. Simply stopping the DVR playback and restarting from that point always fixes that problem for me.

Dave H., thanks for the feedback. I notice this most on HD broadcasts, usually ESPN HD. Understand your explanation. Thanks
post #7101 of 14269
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Originally Posted by jimmyv View Post

What you actually want to do is rotate the optics and that is adjustable. It's been discussed earlier in this forum. If you rotate the image in the service menu, you'll have jaggies in horizontal or vertical lines. There are tons of adjustments in the Service Menu. This one would be in the Panel menu.

Thank you! Let's see if Search can help me with that one.
post #7102 of 14269
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Originally Posted by rmach View Post

I was in Tweeter and noticed the green tinge on a stubble bearded face on a a2000, then noticed it on the xbr2 next to it as well as two Mits dlp sets a 732 and 831. The green tinge was slightly worse on the dlps. This I feel points to the source. After the scene changed all sets then looked normal.

Actually, I have found the opposite, but not by a great margin. I have the Mits and Sony on display next to each other and the effect is slightly less noticeable on the DLPs, slightly more on the SXRD, and wosrt on the RP LCD sets, from both mits and sony. There appears to be a persistence in the green on the LCDs that makes it more objectionable. Calibration to proper gray scale and seting the color level properly seems to mitigate the problem somewhat. The source seems to be the biggest problem, however.
post #7103 of 14269
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Originally Posted by strategicthinker View Post

I got my 60A2000 last Sunday. Does calibration void warranties ?

Not if done properly. If one causes a problem it would not be covered by the warranty.
post #7104 of 14269
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Originally Posted by lcaillo View Post

Not if done properly. If one causes a problem it would not be covered by the warranty.

What kind of problems could be caused ?
post #7105 of 14269
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Originally Posted by The Canuck View Post

You just need to pick up a DVI-->HDMI cable (I ordered one from amazon for $13 shipped -- just waiting for it to arrive). Right now I have it hooked up with component from my 6200 and using the NVIDIA controls to take the resolution down to 1840x1016 and it looks great (even though it's only 1080i). I was actually surprised at how clear text was with the component cables so I can't wait to set it up at 1080p.

Here's a link on how to set it with the dvi-->hdmi cable: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php?t=714417

Thanks for answering my question. I did not realize that you could do component from the Nvidias, I have a VGA and a DVI output on my 6800gt.
post #7106 of 14269
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Originally Posted by strategicthinker View Post

What kind of problems could be caused ?

Changing the wrong parameter (there are at least 1000 of them) and totally screwing up the picture. Professional calibrators know what to do, and take precautions. But someone "mucking around" in there could cause problems.

Re Warranty: Regular Sony service people are unlikely to be able to detect that parameters that calibrators "tweak" are changed as Sony does not document the normal service menu settings. So having the set professionally calibrated will not void the warranty. On the other hand, if you pay to have the set calibrated, then have the set serviced under warranty, Sony is NOT going to refund your calibration fee - or pay for a new calibration. And believe me, regular Sony service people are not equipped to properly calibrate a set.
post #7107 of 14269
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Originally Posted by henderson5 View Post

I'm just finishing my basement. I've built in a unit for a tv, 62x42 below it will be a fireplace.

The tv will be sitting 44 inches off the floor. The seating area will be about 15 feet back.

I was thinking of the 60 inch sxrd, but i'm worried about the vertical viewing angle. Does anyone out there have any suggestions?

Others have already commented on the badness of putting the set over a heat source like a fireplace. In addition to that, you're gonna be viewing a very dim picture, as vertical angle-of-view is limited. (AFAIK, the angle-of-view issue is the one place where plasma clearly wins.)

I had an ideally-sized spot over a gas fireplace that we never used. I wound up ripping the fireplace out and putting the set on a new surface 18" above the floor. I'm glad I did. I think it's either that or build a 26" high platform for your couch to sit on top of ;-)

But from 15' away, well, 60" just isn't much. With that much viewing distance, and given that you're down in the basement (where ambient light control shouldn't be hard), if I were you I'd be wondering about one of the new-and-amazing front projectors.
post #7108 of 14269
After much debate with myself and tweaking and playing around I decided to try an optical block replacement with Sony. What I am seeing is a persistent green haze/blob that is a rough squarish shape, framing the center of the screen, but not reaching the edge.

I put in a calibration dvd and went through full screen grey scale images from 0 to 100%. It is most visible in the middle range, but it is visible on all the images. I notice the effect on regular TV viewing or xbox whenever there is a solid color on that part of the screen, especially if it pans, as the image moves, but the green tint stays.

I assume this is NOT what everyone is complaining about?

When I spoke with the repair technician (not Sony, but the actual place that will be doing the repair) they immediately identified the problem and ordered the optical block.

Thoughts?
post #7109 of 14269
Ughhh....

I went back to BB to check out the A2000's again. They had a 50 and 55 on display. I didn't notice any green issues with either set.

The price has gone back up and they only pricematch with online big box stores. While I can afford to spend the money for the set, I'm really on the fence now. There are some places online that are hundreds cheaper. I'm thinking of going this route though I'd prefer to buy local.
post #7110 of 14269
Im about to buy a 55a2000 but for 150 more i can get the 60 inch version.

I know the 60 came out first,is there any diffrence between the 60 inches and the 55/50 inch models that came out later ,as far a defects/options?
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