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post #7201 of 14227
12/4/06 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by neneloco View Post

Has there been any fix for the green blob at startup and green haze on screen once set is warmed up?

I have 60"A2000 and after the set warms up the green blob in the middle does eventually fade away but then I get a green blob in the bottom left hand corner of tv set and a green long cloud on the top to the tv set.

I have untill January 2007 to return TV. I bought it 11/12/06 from Best Buy and since its holiday season you get extended time to return tv.

I will probably go this week to exchange it though if that green haze after warmup does not go away.

Also for the green faces, I tried that tip given in some posts back, about adding 2 red tint for every 5 units of color u go below 50. It has helped out with the green faces alot.

any other fixes????? or should i return tv and try with another set.

I was thinking if I cant get green problem fixed, I will get JVC LCOS tv or XBR2.

I would exchange it for sure if you can. Perfect color uniformity seems to be elusive on these sets, but yours sounds worse then most. If you give up on the A-2000, I would try the XBR2 over the JVC. The JVC's have had a lot of quality issues as well from what I read.
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post #7202 of 14227
12/4/06 at 11:02am
Poirot, my 60A2000 looks way better than my Philips CRT it replaced a month ago. Only prob I have is the green faces and green blob but other than that, the picture is outstanding. I chose the Sony over Samsung DLP because of the picture ( Sony IMO has better picture than SAmsung).

Good luck with new tv, im sure once u calibrate it, you will enjoy it.

Watch some HD football or Discovery channel, then you will see the difference.
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post #7203 of 14227
12/4/06 at 11:04am
[quote=Poirot]Longtime lurker.....first time poster.


While it was warming, I took a long look a it and wondered....What have I gotten myself into! This thing is HUGE!!! i knew it was big, and I saw it in the Sony Style store and played with it, but I swear it didn't look THIS big. I chalk it up to initial shock. I sold my 32HS510 Saturday. So there was a big gaping hole in my living-room. The 32" was almost 180 lbs, and the chassis was almost as big as the A2000, just not as tall. Anyway, it all just kinda scared me. And just think, I was this close to getting the 60"! I might just have passed out. [quote]

Trust me the set will SHRINK rapidly. I first had a 42 inch GWIII. Thought it was pretty large. After a year I wanted a 50 inch A-10. When I first got it it looked HUGE! After another year I wanted bigger again so now I have an A-2000 60 incher. It looked massive at first as well, but now I am thinking a 70 incher would be really sweet.
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post #7204 of 14227
12/4/06 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by Gregster17 View Post

OK, here is the "dumb question of the day". Hopefully someone can help me with this:

In reading all the posts, there has been talk about Aug 2006 and later builds being "fixed" for 1080p.

I believe the 'fix' was that they started shipping with the proper setting for LPF in the service menu. You can change this yourself. Here is a link to the 'settings & tweeks' thread and a message which tells you how to do it.

S&T LPF fix
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post #7205 of 14227
12/4/06 at 11:22am
A-2000 vs United Artists theater film presentation

I went to a theater for the first time since I got the A-2000. I went to see Casino Royale. Judging the picture quality as critically as we do our A-2000's I have to say the A-2000 blows the theater away for overall qualty of image. The theater image is grainy, soft focus, and dim compared to the A-2000 on HD DVD's. It kind of shocked me that home entertainment is now that much better than a movie theater. Oh...and for all that are freaking out about greenish shadows on faces, guess what I noticed in the movie? YES...greenish face shadows, and beard stubble were evident several times in the film, as were purplish blacks that SXRD owners have complained about. Overall though, the film did blacks a tad better (blacker) than my SXRD does. It cost 2 of us $18.00 admission, $7.00 for small diet Cokes, and $3.00 to park. Total of $28.00. Makes Netflix look like a great deal! And at home I don't have to listen to rude people talking through the entire movie. Score one for Sony SXRD!
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post #7206 of 14227
12/4/06 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by Tzone7 View Post

Sin City is a poor movie to check color or calibration on. The director intentially altered the color balance in most of the movie. Best bet is to get a original black and white movie or a test pattern of all gray. Then turn your color to 0. If you see any color at all, then you have a uniformity issue. This means you need a exchange or repair. Please do all these checks and tests after a proper warm up. Turn it on and give it a good hour, then do the checks. Color uniformity will show up on all displays until they have a proper time to warm up. It is normal and to be expected. Warm up time will vary depending on the temperature of the room that the display is in. However, if what you are seeing is not uniformity and not a constant thing. Then it probably is the source. You can always tone down the green in the user menu.
I dont know if you did any calibration or not. If you have not done any calibration of your own. Then it could be it also. Every A2000 is not the same. Just coping down settings of another owner will not always get the same result. So people must remember that they will need to do a little tweaking and adjusting of their own. Sometimes the settings can be close to one another, but alot of the time they are very different.


Ok well .... lets see. I dont have any black and white movies. But ill figure something out, my ISF Calibrator is coming next Sunday and I emailed him and he said we will check it out etc etc.

If I had these green faces and it was the TVs fault (something that needed fixing or replacing) then would I see these green faces most of the time? Because I watched TV last night, flipped through tons of channels and then watched Unforgiven on HD DVD and I didnt see one spot of green that shouldnt be there. So I have no clue what to think. I just want to make sure that there is nothing really wrong before I just accept this great TV and be happy with it for a few years.

I understand the warming up part, so using a grey test pattern and turning the color all down to 0 (in advance settings and/or "color" settings?)... is that a defenitive self test to see if there is an issue?
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post #7207 of 14227
12/4/06 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by REFLEX View Post

The weird thing is I think I see SOME greenISH faces, but my set isnt ISF Calibrated yet (Thats tomorrow) and it was on the movie Tears of The Sun on Blu-Ray and on one SDTV channel.... but I could be just imagining things.... and also the set isnt calibrated and I know these A2000's (like the XBRs) have color issues outta the box. Its no where near enough of a reason (if it is actually happening) to return the set......... but im wondering if it is happening can calibration make a difference? So far I flipped through all 300 channels on my tv and saw the "greenISH" faces like 1 time. And like I Said on that Tears of The Sun (although that whole movie has a kind of greenish tint to it since its in the jungle). I think im making myself go bonkers.... but anyone have any insight?

I can flip through DirecTV on my old SD 42" Sony and see green tinge on some faces if I look for it. I think that some people are seeing artifacts in the digital compression that is used these days.
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post #7208 of 14227
12/4/06 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by brentsg View Post

I can flip through DirecTV on my old SD 42" Sony and see green tinge on some faces if I look for it. I think that some people are seeing artifacts in the digital compression that is used these days.

Yeah I think so too, I saw it on Tears Of The Sun Blu Ray disc.. although they had green paint on their faces at the start and I just figured they left it on and it gets smeard and stuff throughout the movie. Ie; they never wash it off. Also that whole movie has a kind of tinge to it kind of like the matrix. while they are in the jungle anyway.

It drives me nuts a little, but not so much really because like I Said I flipped through 100 channels last night and the night before, watched a movie on HD DVD and didnt see one green face. So who knows... I just wanted to know if using the grey pattern and turning all color down to 0 will actually prove or disprove the problem, or rather the problem being the TVs and it cannot be tuned out.
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post #7209 of 14227
12/4/06 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Poirot View Post

Longtime lurker.....first time poster.

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After warming up to room temp, I hooked up the cables, and fired her up. It was like that scene from a cartoon, Simpsons?, when this guy turns on his new big screen tv and it is so bright he has to put on shades, and the room is shaking..... Anyway, I let it go thru the initial setup setup, and changed to the DVR input. Needless to say, I was not impressed. Like many others that have posted here, I was wondering....Is that it? Where is the Zip!!! the Zing!!! Where is the Kapow!!!! Aww man... The out-of-box experience was a shocking let down. I know, I know, I'm getting to that. The HD channels were vividly lackluster, the SD were dreadfully obscene. Needless to say, I wasn't feeling the love.

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The first thing to check is to make sure your DVR knows it's hooked up to your new TV and not still outputting standard-def as per your old TV. You may need to re-setup your DVR. I'm also assuming you are connected via HDMI. If not, do so. I went from a 32 inch standard def CRT to the 50A2000 and their should have been a "wow" if you did everything correctly.

As far as the Avia calibration goes, remember that Avia is geared towards CRTs. Digital displays don't behave the same way as CRTs so you will never see things like blooming with the A2000. Go into the calibration forum and read some of the posts describing the differences and what to expect.
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post #7210 of 14227
12/4/06 at 12:32pm
A couple of people recently posted about picking an inexpensive DVD player to go with an A2000. I suggest the Sony 75H player, which you can get for under $110 and is really good for the price. A lot of people also like the Oppo's, and they are good, but I don't think the difference is worth the added price, especially given that within 2 years I expect everyone with an A2000 to have a BluRay/HD-DVD player, so anything you buy now is short term.

One note, with the Sony 75H you don't have analog surround outputs, so it's not for you unless you have a receiver that can handle digital audio.
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post #7211 of 14227
12/4/06 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Jay_Davis View Post

A couple of people recently posted about picking an inexpensive DVD player to go with an A2000. I suggest the Sony 75H player, which you can get for under $110 and is really good for the price. A lot of people also like the Oppo's, and they are good, but I don't think the difference is worth the added price, especially given that within 2 years I expect everyone with an A2000 to have a BluRay/HD-DVD player, so anything you buy now is short term.

One note, with the Sony 75H you don't have analog surround outputs, so it's not for you unless you have a receiver that can handle digital audio.

The Sony 75H doesn't need analog surround outputs because it doesn't do SA-CD or DVD-Audio. The digital outputs (optical or coax) are sufficient for DD and DTS 5.1.
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post #7212 of 14227
12/4/06 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by Gregster17 View Post

OK, here is the "dumb question of the day". Hopefully someone can help me with this:

In reading all the posts, there has been talk about Aug 2006 and later builds being "fixed" for 1080p. I have a July build, and I am waiting for a new batch of PS3's to be available, so that I can buy one.

Is my PS3 not going to be able to show proper 1080p games or bluray on my July-build 60A2000? If not, what will happen? Will it show a flawed image or simply a 1080i image?

Maybe I have misunderstood the postings, so any help or clarificiation would be appreciated. From what I understand, the 1080p quality will eliminate those annoying blurrs I see now and then when the camera pans left or right in 1080i. I would hate to not be able to enjoy 1080p on this tv.

Let me clarify a few things:
1) The "Fix" that you referred to is not necessarily associated with 1080p. It was reported by CNet as being visible ONLY on 1080i test patterns - and they could not see any difference in real program material.
2) Yes, 1080p will show properly on your set through the HDMI inputs (the component inputs do not accept 1080p).
3) It is unlikely that 1080p will eliminate those annoying blurs. I assume that you are talking about broadcast TV and that is either 720p or 1080i. While the difference between "p" and "i" can make a difference in motion artifacts, a bigger factor is the compression that has to be used in broadcast HD and (I think) even the bandwidth of uplinks from remote venues (as in sporting events). Blu-Ray and HD DVD have wider bandwidths and thus have less compression.
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post #7213 of 14227
12/4/06 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by REFLEX View Post

Ok well .... lets see. I dont have any black and white movies. But ill figure something out, my ISF Calibrator is coming next Sunday and I emailed him and he said we will check it out etc etc.

If I had these green faces and it was the TVs fault (something that needed fixing or replacing) then would I see these green faces most of the time? Because I watched TV last night, flipped through tons of channels and then watched Unforgiven on HD DVD and I didnt see one spot of green that shouldnt be there. So I have no clue what to think. I just want to make sure that there is nothing really wrong before I just accept this great TV and be happy with it for a few years.

I understand the warming up part, so using a grey test pattern and turning the color all down to 0 (in advance settings and/or "color" settings?)... is that a defenitive self test to see if there is an issue?

A true test for color uniformity is when you turn the Color setting in the user menu to 0. This basically turns the color off on your display. Then find a black and white movie or a all gray color field to look at. If you see any color streaks or blobs, etc. Then you have a defective display. The severity of the defect will be on how much color is leaking through. People see color differently , especially depth and variation. So there may be a slight color streak that people see. However may not be causing any real issues with normal viewing. If you see a heavy streak or blob then there is a good chance it is causing problems. One thing to note. Color uniformity such as the blobs or streaks is always in the same spot. It does not move. So if its in the corner of the display. It will not move from there.
From what you have stated, it most likely is source related. Since you can change channels and its not always there. After your ISF tech does his work have him check channels with you. See if you still see the same stuff.
Nobody wants to pay for a big display and get a bad one. Dont panic yet. Let the ISF tech do his work and see what he comes up with. These new HD displays have started to show the very poor and unbalanced signal source being broadcast today.
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post #7214 of 14227
12/4/06 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by REFLEX View Post

Well thanks for that info there, hes running a little late (calibrator).... but once he gets here im gonna be talking to him about it. and ill report back in a few hours with what happened.

So did you get your A2000 calibrated on Sunday? Very curious if he was able to alleviate the green face problem.
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post #7215 of 14227
12/4/06 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

A-2000 vs United Artists theater film presentation

I went to a theater for the first time since I got the A-2000. I went to see Casino Royale. Judging the picture quality as critically as we do our A-2000's I have to say the A-2000 blows the theater away for overall qualty of image. The theater image is grainy, soft focus, and dim compared to the A-2000 on HD DVD's. It kind of shocked me that home entertainment is now that much better than a movie theater. Oh...and for all that are freaking out about greenish shadows on faces, guess what I noticed in the movie? YES...greenish face shadows, and beard stubble were evident several times in the film, as were purplish blacks that SXRD owners have complained about. Overall though, the film did blacks a tad better (blacker) than my SXRD does. It cost 2 of us $18.00 admission, $7.00 for small diet Cokes, and $3.00 to park. Total of $28.00. Makes Netflix look like a great deal! And at home I don't have to listen to rude people talking through the entire movie. Score one for Sony SXRD!

I told my wife the same thing when we to the theater last week. I was dissapointed in the picture quality at the theater! It just goes to show that most of the issues people are complainig about on these sets are SOURCE related.
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post #7216 of 14227
12/4/06 at 3:25pm
Originally Posted by REFLEX
Well thanks for that info there, hes running a little late (calibrator).... but once he gets here im gonna be talking to him about it. and ill report back in a few hours with what happened.

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Originally Posted by holtzd View Post

So did you get your A2000 calibrated on Sunday? Very curious if he was able to alleviate the green face problem.

I am curious too.
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post #7217 of 14227
12/4/06 at 3:28pm
I have a KDS-60A2000 on order and now I need a stand for it. I know there is the Sony stand, but I was wondering what other options are out there for less money. Can you please make recommendations?
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post #7218 of 14227
12/4/06 at 3:28pm
I have a KDS-60A2000 on order and now I need a stand for it. I know there is the Sony stand, but I was wondering what other options are out there for less money. Can you please make recommendations?
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post #7219 of 14227
12/4/06 at 3:56pm
I bought this one from Circuit City:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Nea-M...oductDetail.do

It was extremely easy to assemble and even came with the allen wrenches necessary and no other tools were required. The height is just right--most stands are a little too high. The center shelf is adjustable to 3 different positions and the lack of heavy/plasticky looking silver makes the set just seem to float. The stand can be positioned before adding the heavy center and top glass shelves, making it an ideal 1 person operation. There are 4 pieces of black angle iron and 2 pieces of fibreboard in the box that are not used in the assembly of the stand--they're just to protect the glass shelves during shipment.
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post #7220 of 14227
12/4/06 at 4:05pm
hers mine. i bought for $217 at a local furniture store.if i find out who manufacters it /i'll post it
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post #7221 of 14227
12/4/06 at 4:05pm
hers mine. i bought for $217 at a local furniture store.if i find out who manufacters it i'll post it
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post #7222 of 14227
12/4/06 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

The Sony 75H doesn't need analog surround outputs because it doesn't do SA-CD or DVD-Audio. The digital outputs (optical or coax) are sufficient for DD and DTS 5.1.

I have a Sony 75H and have been playing a DVD-audio disc with it (The Beatles new "Love" audio DVD). I hear what sounds like DTS -- sounds through all 6 speakers. Are you saying this isn't true DVD audio? Is it true surround sound?
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post #7223 of 14227
12/4/06 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by tomcran View Post

I have a Sony 75H and have been playing a DVD-audio disc with it (The Beatles new "Love" audio DVD). I hear what sounds like DTS -- sounds through all 6 speakers. Are you saying this isn't true DVD audio? Is it true surround sound?

On the Sony NS75 you would be listening to the DD 5.1 layer (DVD-Video) and NOT the hi-rez DVD-Audio layer. If you want to listen to the hi-rez DVD-Audio layer you would need a DVD-Audio capable player like the Sony NS90 and use the 5.1ch analog outputs. IOW, a DVD-Audio has separate layers for DVD-Audio and DD 5.1.
P.S. Discussions like this should probably be had over in the DVD Players forum.
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post #7224 of 14227
12/4/06 at 5:49pm
I purchased a 60a2000 this weekend and will be receiving it on Friday(12-8) . Right now I have Directv for the main tv and Comcast basic for the others. Since I would have to upgrade my dish to some ungodly contraption with 3 LNB's(I think) I would like to first try Comcast. From their webpage they say that with basic service :
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Channels 100, 193, 194, 197, 217, 223, 242, 248, and 599 are available with Basic Service and digital equipment. Channels 184, 187-192 are available with Basic Service and HDTV equipment.

I looked at the tv manual and it says the tuner will only go up to channel 135, does that mean that the only way for me to get HDTV is to get a cable box or will those channels actually be accessable somehow? Has anyone done this?
Thanks!
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post #7225 of 14227
12/4/06 at 6:08pm
i have this constant popping noise coming from my tv
does anyone know how to remedy this problem??
thanks in advance
it only happens in hd channels
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post #7226 of 14227
12/4/06 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by Tzone7 View Post

That is odd. All of the major publications that did calibration and reviews never had a problem after they calibrated the A2000. In fact, several said the A2000 had almost perfect grayscale tracking. If you are seeing color on a all gray screen, with the color turned to 0. Then you have a color uniformity issue. This issue is not on all A2000. So you have a defective display if this is true. Its unfortunate, but no ISF can calibrate the color properly if you have a defect like that. Best bet is to do a repair or return/exchange it. I have a A2000 that has no uniformity issues nor do I have any color haze or tinge that seems out of the ordinary for the source.

I am having another ISF calibrator come out on Monday that supposedly knows the SXRDs very well to specifically check my A2000 out to see if it is defective. Unfortunately I am beyond the 30 day BB return/exchange policy. An ISF calibrator that frequents the AVS forum stated that some units track gray scale better than others. He though that I might possibly have a defective set and recommended that I exchange mine for another A2000. He also questioned the color analyser that was used to calibrate my set which might be more suited toward CRT and cause errors in a RPTV. I will see on Monday and go from there. Hopefully he can correct the problem.
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post #7227 of 14227
12/4/06 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by REFLEX View Post

Well... I cannot tell whats going on its driving me nuts.... I have the warranty and the 30 day policy too which makes it easier to exchange it for a new set.. .but its driving me absolutly CRAZY. I cannot tell if there are green faces, I think there are sometimes but they arent always there and its not a constant thing, only on some programs or some movies and stuff.

Its driving me insane really. Soon ill start seeing green everywhere.


If I watched a movie like Sin City or a black and white movie with tons of shadows and obviously.. black and white .... would that show if its the TVs problem or a calibration issue?? Man.. im crazy.

If you are not sure if there are green faces perhaps you are obsessing on this issue. I must admit that I have become obcessed over it and now constantly looking for it but probably have a problem with my set since my ISF calibrator found a green tinge in the gray scale tracking at 40%. You are right, it is not a constant and is very program and scene specific and not on all programming. I do think that it might also be a source problem as some suggest but I believe that my A2000 is contributing it to make it more pronounced.
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post #7228 of 14227
12/4/06 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by mkim1120 View Post

i have this constant popping noise coming from my tv
does anyone know how to remedy this problem??
thanks in advance
it only happens in hd channels

If it is happening in OTA HD then it is probably caused by a weak signal. I get popping too usually when my signal starts dipping into the low 70%s. depending upon how you get a TV signal you can try a rooftop antenna or tuning into unencrypted QAM HD channels over your cable or look into getting HD through your satellite provider.
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post #7229 of 14227
12/4/06 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by Tzone7 View Post

A true test for color uniformity is when you turn the Color setting in the user menu to 0. This basically turns the color off on your display. Then find a black and white movie or a all gray color field to look at. If you see any color streaks or blobs, etc. Then you have a defective display. The severity of the defect will be on how much color is leaking through. People see color differently , especially depth and variation. So there may be a slight color streak that people see. However may not be causing any real issues with normal viewing. If you see a heavy streak or blob then there is a good chance it is causing problems. One thing to note. Color uniformity such as the blobs or streaks is always in the same spot. It does not move. So if its in the corner of the display. It will not move from there.
From what you have stated, it most likely is source related. Since you can change channels and its not always there. After your ISF tech does his work have him check channels with you. See if you still see the same stuff.
Nobody wants to pay for a big display and get a bad one. Dont panic yet. Let the ISF tech do his work and see what he comes up with. These new HD displays have started to show the very poor and unbalanced signal source being broadcast today.


Thanks, well I think I see it on Cable (and thats ALL over the place as far as quality goes, especially the "HD" Cable) SOMETIMES but hardly ever, and like I said I saw it on faces in the blu ray movie Tears of the Sun but it was never just in one place. I dunno. Im not freaking out until this coming up Sunday when I get it Calibrated, he told me "we will see whats going on" so we will confirm the issue either way. Hopefully its just not a big problem and can be fixed with proper grey scale stuff... we will see, also im not totally freaking out because I have the warranty, I can switch it for another 60A2000 or something, I Just hate having to do that because its so annoying.... but its a choice I have if I need to do it. So im not freaked... Ill see what happens this Sunday morning coming up here.
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post #7230 of 14227
12/4/06 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by heiber View Post

I have a KDS-60A2000 on order and now I need a stand for it. I know there is the Sony stand, but I was wondering what other options are out there for less money. Can you please make recommendations?

I just picked up a one of the cheap JVC stands that they make for their 61" HDILAs (HD61Z886). It's the RK-CPR66 and is approximately the same size as Sony's SXRD. I wasn't too picky since I got it from Amazon for $27 delivered (received $30 off for signing up for their credit card). Deal is dead now, but you can still pick one up for $89.99 w/free shipping from here:

http://www.pac-2000.com/rk-cpr66.html

I haven't had a chance to assemble it yet but the parts / pictures look decent. Obviously not top of the line but for under $30 I can't complain.
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