need help from all you lumagen experts in setting up HDQ - Page 3  

Hi joerod!
You have a PM.

When 4:2:2 is selected on the Lumagen, I get a "green screen" and whenever I change an HD DVD disc, the Toshiba has to be turned off and restarted to get the correct color on the display. The slowness of the A1 makes that a real pain. :(

Paul

Re: The Lumagen HDQ, when settings are configured for the Toshiba A1, HD DVD's having film/movies as the source .

Some questions about the the OSD when the "OK" button is pressed successively, (when the menu is off).

Pressing the OK button once, I get: {IN 2B 16:9 1080i AUTO}
i.e. The Input is #2, Aspect ratio: 1:78.1 and input resolution is 1080i auto deinterlace.

Pressing the OK button a second time, I get: {OUT: 1080P 47.95}
i.e. The output resolution is 1080P at the Refresh Rate set @ approximately 48fps.

Pressing the OK button a third time, I get: {RGB H-V-} - :confused: WHY?
i.e. My Input DVI setting is @ "HDMI 4:2:2" and DVI input EDID Display set @ User YCbCr 4:2:2 monitor value. The Output SYNC is set @ H+V+.
:confused: Why the difference in values on the OSD?

Pressing the OK button a fourth time, I get: {GENLOCK: LOCKED}
i.e. This is correct.

Pressing the OK button a fifth time, I get: {SIDEBAR PAN OFF}
i.e. This is also correct.

Paul

The green is normal for initial menus. The Toshiba apparently changes on the fly which colorspace it is using. Movies should be fine. If you are having issues, then I would be curious about any extra steps in the process. The most irritating one is that you cannot switch away from a movie and come back to it. The Toshiba does not maintain the 4:2:2 output if it loses the HDCP handshake, as near as I can tell.

First question of the Day! :)
Still an unanswered question from the weekend posting.

Could someone please explain the On Screen Display value I'm getting that doesn't match the setting I have?
This value comes up when the remotes "OK" button is pressed 3 times successively, when the menu is off.
The value "RGB H-V-" comes up, but when verifying the settings on the HDQ, the DVI input shows the value as "HDMI 4:2:2 component" and the DVI input EDID Display is "User YCbCr 4:2:2", and the Output SYNC, is set @ "H+V+".:confused:

Maybe the OSD value is an analog settings I'm not using?:rolleyes:
The manual doesn't explain any of this. :(

All other OSD values match their settings.


Second question of the Day! :)

When using the Toshiba A1, both the HDQ's input and output ratio is set @ 16:9, yet if I select MENU --> IN --> CONFIG --> ADJ --> SIZE --> SCALE -->(PASS), for the Lumagens pass-through mode of the source image of the A1, the display shows a 1.85:1 aspect ratio. :confused:
Does that mean the Toshiba A1, which is the source, is only scaling to 1.85:1?:eek:

Thanks for your input.

Paul

That indicates the current analog output format. Even though you're using DVI output you could be simultaneously sending out analog video so it's not too interesting for your situation but is a valid message. We should update that status message and make it more informative.
Actually what it means is you're probably not in passthru mode. In order to be in passthru mode you set scale to PASS (which you probably did) and the output resolution must closely match the input source resolution. So, for example, if you set it to PASS and your output resolution is 720p and you've selected a 480i source then the Lumagen will scale the 480i to 720p rather than pass it thru. Since it is scaling 480i then the aspect controls will still function and it reports what you've currently got it set to. Starting with the 030806 software the Lumagen indicates passthru mode with "PASS" on the first status message instead of the aspect ratio. You can check the software revision of your Lumagen by pressing menu 0903.

Deleted post because patrick harkin answered much better than I could :)

So what is the latest firmware version? :)

Its on our website in the support area and the latest is 071706---but we're close to releasing a new update in the next day or so.

Cool. Please tell us it is very easy to download them to our new units... :)

Oh and units that have shipped today (from Lumagen) which version will they have? :)

Very easy :) Just need a computer and the serial cable that came with :) As far as I can remeber my firmware was a little behind when I first got mine, Lumagen puts out new firmwares are a fairly fast pace. Takes a few mins to update.

Thank you Patrick! :)
But, If I'm not in "passthru" mode, shouldn't the scaling revert to the HDQ's input and output "16X9" settings that I initially set and not a ratio that looks like 1.85:1 when I toggle the romote between "NORM" (shows 16X9) & "PASS" (looks like 1.85:1)?

Paul

I'm assuming you know that all DVD's aren't 1.78:1 and so many will still show black bars at top and bottom.

You might also double-check that your display as well as the A1 are both in 16:9 modes.

Hi cpcat,

Yes, of coarse. The 1.85:1 ratio is present in the Lumagen's "PASS" setting even for the "HD DVD" start up screen logo, when the Toshiba is first turned on before a disc is put in the unit and/or any HD DVD disc I use. Never played a DVD on the unit. I have a four way electrimask screen and I know by the position and width of the top and bottom black lines and Lumagen's own test patterns, the correct 16X9 ratio. Even the cinemascope: 2.35:1 HD DVD movies, viewed with the correct mask setting, changes with "NORM" to "PASS" as a slight distortion of the image (like a round circle becoming slightly oval for 1.85:1) and an expansion of the top and bottom black area within the 2.35:1 masking etc.

EDIT: Actually I've noticed with the "PASS" mode that a circle, like Paramounts stars that go over and on top of the mountain at the begining of a movie, or the moon, will look more like a round circle in PASS mode. (A more correct circle) With the "NORM" mode it is slightly oval in the direction of an egg standing on its end.

Checking that right now!

cpcat,

Both the display and the A1 are both in 16:9 modes. What is puzzling to me is the slight distortion of an image, like a circle, when the lumagen's 16:9 "NORM" mode is used and the correct look when "PASS"/1.85:1 is used.

Also, when the "OK" button is pressed (menu off) the OSD shows the input # and "PASS", showing that it's in pass-mode. The input resolution is 1080i and output 1080P.

I'm going to hook up the Toshiba directly to the Ruby and see what ratio I get.

Paul

Paul, it might be easiest if you called in to support, 503-574-2211. We can walk you through some things to find out what you're running into.

Thank you Patrick, for taking the time to solve this with me. The picture looks GREAT in pass-thru mode now. :)

cpcat, Thank you for taking the time to help.

Fortunately, after a factory reset, Patrick duplicated the pass-thru "ratio" phenomena and walked me through it by correcting some settings I wouldn't have had a clue to the relevance to this problem. :rolleyes:

Lumagen has great service and some caring customers. ;)

Paul

I just hooked up my HDQ. The picture on my Ruby playing the Toshiba HD DVD DEMO disc was amazing to say the least. WOW! Anyway, I am having a problem getting 1080p 47.95 thru DVI on the Ruby to work. Is there a trick to do in sending it? The 1080p 60 looks great but I really want to try for the 1080p 48 to see what everyone is talking about. Thanks!

That's what mine is saying. I just did the latest firmware download so maybe that will help. Also I have not been able to get any signal from my Directv receivers...

Simple. Got it! You have to set the Ruby DVI setting to AUTO. Now I also learned that you can't use DVI input 1 then skip over to 4. You have to use them in order. Obviously 1 then 2 and so on. Interesting. I am loving the picture so far though. I agree with Greg Rogers on this being some of the best picture quality to date. That HD DVD DEMO disc is breath taking! WOW!

Interesting. I use #2 for my Toshiba (HD DVD) and #3 for my Samsung (Blu-ray) player. 1 and 4 are not used. :rolleyes:

It took me awhile to type the following response and submit it. Didn't see the above until I was ready to post. :o

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funlvr1965, make sure that your Ruby is set up for (AUTO) DVI. Pressing the Menu-->Setup-->DVI Signal Sel. (AUTO).

funlvr1965 & joerod, It can be tricky to get the lumagen to put out a smooth 48Hz film cadence, but it can be done and it looks fantastic.

The following is a few of my own basic configuration settings to get a great picture from a film sourced HD DVD using the Lumagen HDQ, Toshiba A1 and the Ruby projector.

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Note: USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
These are my notes for settings on my equipment.
YMMV
(It would be helpful to me if you would point out any errors.;))

Turn on Ruby

Turn ON the Lumagen HDQ

Press the “Input #†of the connected Toshiba.

Reset Lumagen to factory defaults (Menu-->0999).

(To Configure the Lumagen HDQ for Toshiba A1 input, playing film sourced HD DVD’s and outputting to a Sony Ruby and using the Ruby’s DVI 48Hz “film Cadence†capability. This configuration avoids clipping of BTB/WTW, as 4:2:2 Color Space is available from the Toshiba A1, when asked for by this Lumagen configuration.)

Lumagen HDQ 1080i/60 deinterlaced to 1080P/48 - (Scaling OFF - Pass-thru mode).

(This is NOT a Constant Height Configuration.)

INPUT CONFIGURATION

MENU-->TYPE-->(select) HDMI 4:2:2 COMPONENT-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

Menu-->CONFIG-->DVI-->EDID-->USER-->OK-->YCbCr 4:2:2-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

MENU-->CONFIG-->ADJ-->SIZE-->SCALE-->(select) PASS-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

Menu-->CONFIG-->ADJ-->SIZE-->TOPL-->Adjust TL: -6, -11 / Default 0, 0 -->OK-->ALL ASPECTS-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

Menu-->CONFIG-->CONTRL-->GENLCK-->(select) ON-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

OUTPUT CONFIGURATION

MENU-->(select) Out-->RES-->VRES-->ENTER VRES: (enter) 1080-->OK-->(select) Progressive-->OK-->(Select Timing Option) Mode B-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

Menu-->(select) OUT-->RES-->VRATE-->ENTER VRATE: 48/Current: 59:94-->OK-->(select) 47.95-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

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TO VERIFY CORRECT LUMAGEN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS, (when both the Toshiba A1 and Ruby are on):

With the Menu off, “OK†pressed once, will show the following values:
“IN PASS 1080i AUTOâ€

“OK†pressed twice:
“OUT: 1080P 47.95â€

“OK†pressed Three times:
“ANA OUT: RGBH-V-â€

“OK†pressed Four times:
“GENLOCK: LOCKEDâ€

“OK†pressed Five times:
“SIDE BAR PAN OFFâ€

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To Calibrate the Ruby’s Brightness and Contrast to THIS configuration:

MENU-->(select) MISC-->TPAT-->PATS-->OK-->OK--> (> > > - to the CONTRAST test pattern)-->(Exit to turn off pattern)

From the Ruby’s remote:
Menu-->Picture-->Adjust Picture-->Contrast 84 / Brightness 46.

Paul

Sharper? No.
Less noise? Could be. I don't see any noise.
Overall image improvement? Bingo! :cool: At least until i get an ISF calibration. :rolleyes:

For HD DVD's made from film's native 24fps, the "Genlock" feature, when locked, seems to effectively smooth out any 48Hz horizontal panning. It's also supposed to help reduce lipsync delay by half a field, although I haven't noticed any video delay without it. :rolleyes:

Paul

Thanks Paul! I will copy your settings and play with them tonite. I meant if you use DVI 1 then skip 2 & 3 and go to 4 you won't get a signal. Or if you use 1 & 2 then skip 3 you won't get a signal on 4. Try it. I played for a long time. It is not a big deal for me. I use 1 (HD DVD), 2 (DTHEATER), 3 (HD TIVO) and 4 will be the Sony BD player. I also am noticing a cleaner picture that is awesome using the 48hz to the DVI on the Ruby. After switching AUTO in the Ruby menu it has been easy to switch to 48hz anytime. I am now trying to save individual input settings... Would you watch everything at 48hz or just HD DVD, DTHEATER, and BR titles? Thanks again!

All good questions. :rolleyes:
I use "Cinema" because of it being inherently closer to the ideal "Movie Theater Projector Light" temperature of 6500K, than "Standard" or "Dynamic". (My preference is to optimise for theatrical movies)
Yes, recalibration after adjusting different settings is a must.
My screen is a Stewart 110" Firehawk in a dedicated theater room, black carpet, walls and ceiling and light controlled.

Any media that originates from film (a 24fps source) would benefit. ALL NTSC (Video Taped programs for Television) Video sources would need 60Hz, PAL 50Hz etc.

Paul