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post #61 of 287
Hi joerod!
You have a PM.
post #62 of 287
Quote:
Originally Posted by funlvr1965
if input 1 which is my toshiba is active is switched to input 5 which is my hd cable box input then switched back again to the toshiba on input 1 what I will sometimes get is snow or a green screen then I have to turn of the toshiba and restart it, is anyone else having this problem? lumagen and toshiba are both updated and im running 422
When 4:2:2 is selected on the Lumagen, I get a "green screen" and whenever I change an HD DVD disc, the Toshiba has to be turned off and restarted to get the correct color on the display. The slowness of the A1 makes that a real pain. :(

Paul
post #63 of 287
Re: The Lumagen HDQ, when settings are configured for the Toshiba A1, HD DVD's having film/movies as the source .

Some questions about the the OSD when the "OK" button is pressed successively, (when the menu is off).

Pressing the OK button once, I get: {IN 2B 16:9 1080i AUTO}
i.e. The Input is #2, Aspect ratio: 1:78.1 and input resolution is 1080i auto deinterlace.

Pressing the OK button a second time, I get: {OUT: 1080P 47.95}
i.e. The output resolution is 1080P at the Refresh Rate set @ approximately 48fps.

Pressing the OK button a third time, I get: {RGB H-V-} - :confused: WHY?
i.e. My Input DVI setting is @ "HDMI 4:2:2" and DVI input EDID Display set @ User YCbCr 4:2:2 monitor value. The Output SYNC is set @ H+V+.
:confused: Why the difference in values on the OSD?

Pressing the OK button a fourth time, I get: {GENLOCK: LOCKED}
i.e. This is correct.

Pressing the OK button a fifth time, I get: {SIDEBAR PAN OFF}
i.e. This is also correct.

Paul
post #64 of 287
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul H
When 4:2:2 is selected on the Lumagen, I get a "green screen" and whenever I change an HD DVD disc, the Toshiba has to be turned off and restarted to get the correct color on the display. The slowness of the A1 makes that a real pain. :(

Paul
The green is normal for initial menus. The Toshiba apparently changes on the fly which colorspace it is using. Movies should be fine. If you are having issues, then I would be curious about any extra steps in the process. The most irritating one is that you cannot switch away from a movie and come back to it. The Toshiba does not maintain the 4:2:2 output if it loses the HDCP handshake, as near as I can tell.
post #65 of 287
First question of the Day! :)
Still an unanswered question from the weekend posting.

Could someone please explain the On Screen Display value I'm getting that doesn't match the setting I have?
This value comes up when the remotes "OK" button is pressed 3 times successively, when the menu is off.
The value "RGB H-V-" comes up, but when verifying the settings on the HDQ, the DVI input shows the value as "HDMI 4:2:2 component" and the DVI input EDID Display is "User YCbCr 4:2:2", and the Output SYNC, is set @ "H+V+".:confused:

Maybe the OSD value is an analog settings I'm not using?:rolleyes:
The manual doesn't explain any of this. :(

All other OSD values match their settings.


Second question of the Day! :)

When using the Toshiba A1, both the HDQ's input and output ratio is set @ 16:9, yet if I select MENU --> IN --> CONFIG --> ADJ --> SIZE --> SCALE -->(PASS), for the Lumagens pass-through mode of the source image of the A1, the display shows a 1.85:1 aspect ratio. :confused:
Does that mean the Toshiba A1, which is the source, is only scaling to 1.85:1?:eek:

Thanks for your input.

Paul
post #66 of 287
Quote:
The value "RGB H-V-"
That indicates the current analog output format. Even though you're using DVI output you could be simultaneously sending out analog video so it's not too interesting for your situation but is a valid message. We should update that status message and make it more informative.
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Does that mean the Toshiba A1, which is the source, is only scaling to 1.85:1?
Actually what it means is you're probably not in passthru mode. In order to be in passthru mode you set scale to PASS (which you probably did) and the output resolution must closely match the input source resolution. So, for example, if you set it to PASS and your output resolution is 720p and you've selected a 480i source then the Lumagen will scale the 480i to 720p rather than pass it thru. Since it is scaling 480i then the aspect controls will still function and it reports what you've currently got it set to. Starting with the 030806 software the Lumagen indicates passthru mode with "PASS" on the first status message instead of the aspect ratio. You can check the software revision of your Lumagen by pressing menu 0903.
post #67 of 287
Deleted post because patrick harkin answered much better than I could :)
post #68 of 287
So what is the latest firmware version? :)
post #69 of 287
Its on our website in the support area and the latest is 071706---but we're close to releasing a new update in the next day or so.
post #70 of 287
Cool. Please tell us it is very easy to download them to our new units... :)
post #71 of 287
Oh and units that have shipped today (from Lumagen) which version will they have? :)
post #72 of 287
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Originally Posted by joerod
Cool. Please tell us it is very easy to download them to our new units... :)
Very easy :) Just need a computer and the serial cable that came with :) As far as I can remeber my firmware was a little behind when I first got mine, Lumagen puts out new firmwares are a fairly fast pace. Takes a few mins to update.
post #73 of 287
Quote:
Does that mean the Toshiba A1, which is the source, is only scaling to 1.85:1?
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrick harkin
Actually what it means is you're probably not in passthru mode. In order to be in passthru mode you set scale to PASS (which you probably did) and the output resolution must closely match the input source resolution.
Thank you Patrick! :)
But, If I'm not in "passthru" mode, shouldn't the scaling revert to the HDQ's input and output "16X9" settings that I initially set and not a ratio that looks like 1.85:1 when I toggle the romote between "NORM" (shows 16X9) & "PASS" (looks like 1.85:1)?

Paul
post #74 of 287
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Originally Posted by Paul H
Thank you Patrick! :)
But, If I'm not in "passthru" mode, shouldn't the scaling revert to the HDQ's input and output "16X9" settings that I initially set and not a ratio that looks like 1.85:1 when I toggle the romote between "NORM" (shows 16X9) & "PASS" (looks like 1.85:1)?

Paul
I'm assuming you know that all DVD's aren't 1.78:1 and so many will still show black bars at top and bottom.

You might also double-check that your display as well as the A1 are both in 16:9 modes.
post #75 of 287
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpcat
I'm assuming you know that all DVD's aren't 1.78:1 and so many will still show black bars at top and bottom.
Hi cpcat,

Yes, of coarse. The 1.85:1 ratio is present in the Lumagen's "PASS" setting even for the "HD DVD" start up screen logo, when the Toshiba is first turned on before a disc is put in the unit and/or any HD DVD disc I use. Never played a DVD on the unit. I have a four way electrimask screen and I know by the position and width of the top and bottom black lines and Lumagen's own test patterns, the correct 16X9 ratio. Even the cinemascope: 2.35:1 HD DVD movies, viewed with the correct mask setting, changes with "NORM" to "PASS" as a slight distortion of the image (like a round circle becoming slightly oval for 1.85:1) and an expansion of the top and bottom black area within the 2.35:1 masking etc.

EDIT: Actually I've noticed with the "PASS" mode that a circle, like Paramounts stars that go over and on top of the mountain at the begining of a movie, or the moon, will look more like a round circle in PASS mode. (A more correct circle) With the "NORM" mode it is slightly oval in the direction of an egg standing on its end.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cpcat
You might also double-check that your display as well as the A1 are both in 16:9 modes.
Checking that right now!
post #76 of 287
cpcat,

Both the display and the A1 are both in 16:9 modes. What is puzzling to me is the slight distortion of an image, like a circle, when the lumagen's 16:9 "NORM" mode is used and the correct look when "PASS"/1.85:1 is used.

Also, when the "OK" button is pressed (menu off) the OSD shows the input # and "PASS", showing that it's in pass-mode. The input resolution is 1080i and output 1080P.

I'm going to hook up the Toshiba directly to the Ruby and see what ratio I get.

Paul
post #77 of 287
Paul, it might be easiest if you called in to support, 503-574-2211. We can walk you through some things to find out what you're running into.
post #78 of 287
Thank you Patrick, for taking the time to solve this with me. The picture looks GREAT in pass-thru mode now. :)

cpcat, Thank you for taking the time to help.

Fortunately, after a factory reset, Patrick duplicated the pass-thru "ratio" phenomena and walked me through it by correcting some settings I wouldn't have had a clue to the relevance to this problem. :rolleyes:

Lumagen has great service and some caring customers. ;)

Paul
post #79 of 287
I just hooked up my HDQ. The picture on my Ruby playing the Toshiba HD DVD DEMO disc was amazing to say the least. WOW! Anyway, I am having a problem getting 1080p 47.95 thru DVI on the Ruby to work. Is there a trick to do in sending it? The 1080p 60 looks great but I really want to try for the 1080p 48 to see what everyone is talking about. Thanks!
post #80 of 287
Thread Starter 
same here I tried this last night with the toshiab hd player and it will not take the signal, says something about check dvi settings or something to that effect
post #81 of 287
That's what mine is saying. I just did the latest firmware download so maybe that will help. Also I have not been able to get any signal from my Directv receivers...
post #82 of 287
Simple. Got it! You have to set the Ruby DVI setting to AUTO. Now I also learned that you can't use DVI input 1 then skip over to 4. You have to use them in order. Obviously 1 then 2 and so on. Interesting. I am loving the picture so far though. I agree with Greg Rogers on this being some of the best picture quality to date. That HD DVD DEMO disc is breath taking! WOW!
post #83 of 287
Thread Starter 
great Ill give it a shot thanks!
post #84 of 287
Quote:
Originally Posted by joerod
Simple. Got it! You have to set the Ruby DVI setting to AUTO. Now I also learned that you can't use DVI input 1 then skip over to 4.
Interesting. I use #2 for my Toshiba (HD DVD) and #3 for my Samsung (Blu-ray) player. 1 and 4 are not used. :rolleyes:

It took me awhile to type the following response and submit it. Didn't see the above until I was ready to post. :o

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funlvr1965, make sure that your Ruby is set up for (AUTO) DVI. Pressing the Menu-->Setup-->DVI Signal Sel. (AUTO).

funlvr1965 & joerod, It can be tricky to get the lumagen to put out a smooth 48Hz film cadence, but it can be done and it looks fantastic.

The following is a few of my own basic configuration settings to get a great picture from a film sourced HD DVD using the Lumagen HDQ, Toshiba A1 and the Ruby projector.

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Note: USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
These are my notes for settings on my equipment.
YMMV
(It would be helpful to me if you would point out any errors.;))

Turn on Ruby

Turn ON the Lumagen HDQ

Press the “Input #†of the connected Toshiba.

Reset Lumagen to factory defaults (Menu-->0999).

(To Configure the Lumagen HDQ for Toshiba A1 input, playing film sourced HD DVD’s and outputting to a Sony Ruby and using the Ruby’s DVI 48Hz “film Cadence†capability. This configuration avoids clipping of BTB/WTW, as 4:2:2 Color Space is available from the Toshiba A1, when asked for by this Lumagen configuration.)

Lumagen HDQ 1080i/60 deinterlaced to 1080P/48 - (Scaling OFF - Pass-thru mode).

(This is NOT a Constant Height Configuration.)

INPUT CONFIGURATION

MENU-->TYPE-->(select) HDMI 4:2:2 COMPONENT-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

Menu-->CONFIG-->DVI-->EDID-->USER-->OK-->YCbCr 4:2:2-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

MENU-->CONFIG-->ADJ-->SIZE-->SCALE-->(select) PASS-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

Menu-->CONFIG-->ADJ-->SIZE-->TOPL-->Adjust TL: -6, -11 / Default 0, 0 -->OK-->ALL ASPECTS-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

Menu-->CONFIG-->CONTRL-->GENLCK-->(select) ON-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

OUTPUT CONFIGURATION

MENU-->(select) Out-->RES-->VRES-->ENTER VRES: (enter) 1080-->OK-->(select) Progressive-->OK-->(Select Timing Option) Mode B-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

Menu-->(select) OUT-->RES-->VRATE-->ENTER VRATE: 48/Current: 59:94-->OK-->(select) 47.95-->OK-->Exit the Menu.

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TO VERIFY CORRECT LUMAGEN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS, (when both the Toshiba A1 and Ruby are on):

With the Menu off, “OK†pressed once, will show the following values:
“IN PASS 1080i AUTOâ€

“OK†pressed twice:
“OUT: 1080P 47.95â€

“OK†pressed Three times:
“ANA OUT: RGBH-V-â€

“OK†pressed Four times:
“GENLOCK: LOCKEDâ€

“OK†pressed Five times:
“SIDE BAR PAN OFFâ€

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To Calibrate the Ruby’s Brightness and Contrast to THIS configuration:

MENU-->(select) MISC-->TPAT-->PATS-->OK-->OK--> (> > > - to the CONTRAST test pattern)-->(Exit to turn off pattern)

From the Ruby’s remote:
Menu-->Picture-->Adjust Picture-->Contrast 84 / Brightness 46.

Paul
post #85 of 287
Thread Starter 
I thought that going to 48hz was just for the judder problem but it seems that 48hz somehow improves the image quality anyone else find this to be true? and if so why the improvement? Paul H ...WOW thats a tall order, before I go mangling my settings lol whats the difference youre seeing in image quality, is it sharper? less noise? is it an overall image improvement?
post #86 of 287
Quote:
Originally Posted by funlvr1965
I thought that going to 48hz was just for the judder problem but it seems that 48hz somehow improves the image quality anyone else find this to be true? and if so why the improvement? Paul H ...WOW thats a tall order, before I go mangling my settings lol whats the difference youre seeing in image quality, is it sharper? less noise? is it an overall image improvement?
Sharper? No.
Less noise? Could be. I don't see any noise.
Overall image improvement? Bingo! :cool: At least until i get an ISF calibration. :rolleyes:

For HD DVD's made from film's native 24fps, the "Genlock" feature, when locked, seems to effectively smooth out any 48Hz horizontal panning. It's also supposed to help reduce lipsync delay by half a field, although I haven't noticed any video delay without it. :rolleyes:

Paul
post #87 of 287
Thread Starter 
good deal ill have to write down my settings and check your settings which picture setting are you using? standard,cinema? etc.. also do you have to recalibrate after using your settings? and what screen are you using? im using dalite highpower
post #88 of 287
Thanks Paul! I will copy your settings and play with them tonite. I meant if you use DVI 1 then skip 2 & 3 and go to 4 you won't get a signal. Or if you use 1 & 2 then skip 3 you won't get a signal on 4. Try it. I played for a long time. It is not a big deal for me. I use 1 (HD DVD), 2 (DTHEATER), 3 (HD TIVO) and 4 will be the Sony BD player. I also am noticing a cleaner picture that is awesome using the 48hz to the DVI on the Ruby. After switching AUTO in the Ruby menu it has been easy to switch to 48hz anytime. I am now trying to save individual input settings... Would you watch everything at 48hz or just HD DVD, DTHEATER, and BR titles? Thanks again!
post #89 of 287
Quote:
Originally Posted by funlvr1965
good deal ill have to write down my settings and check your settings which picture setting are you using? standard,cinema? etc.. also do you have to recalibrate after using your settings? and what screen are you using? im using dalite highpower
All good questions. :rolleyes:
I use "Cinema" because of it being inherently closer to the ideal "Movie Theater Projector Light" temperature of 6500K, than "Standard" or "Dynamic". (My preference is to optimise for theatrical movies)
Yes, recalibration after adjusting different settings is a must.
My screen is a Stewart 110" Firehawk in a dedicated theater room, black carpet, walls and ceiling and light controlled.

Quote:
Originally Posted by joerod
After switching AUTO in the Ruby menu it has been easy to switch to 48hz anytime. I am now trying to save individual input settings... Would you watch everything at 48hz or just HD DVD, DTHEATER, and BR titles?
Any media that originates from film (a 24fps source) would benefit. ALL NTSC (Video Taped programs for Television) Video sources would need 60Hz, PAL 50Hz etc.

Paul
post #90 of 287
Thread Starter 
Joerod, report back on your findings after you input pauls settings and also what gamma is everyone using? this always an issue for me I think I normally use gamma 2 but after switching to 48hz It went to gamma 3, I watched 16 blocks on HD DVD tonight, looks great but pic was a little washed out so I know I need to go back and do recalibration to get proper contrast and brightness level. oh well tomorrow is another day
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