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post #1021 of 3237
10/19/06 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

I think you are in the same boat I am. Mine has some very mild color variations, and I already sent the first set back for a 2nd. This one is better, but not perfect. I have some doubts that getting the set swapped out will be likely to get you a perfect one. If you aren't seeing a problem in actual use you might want to keep the one you have. I think uniformity on these is just not as good as we would like in an ideal world. Overall though, my set is still amazing on a quality feed, and since DLP drives me nuts, I would buy another A-2000 for sure. So far the issues like your set, and mine exhibit are really not the very obvious dreaded XBR1 Green Blob, but a much milder form of unifomity issue. For what it's worth, when I checked my year old Sony 50 inch A-10 3LCD set, it's uniformity is about as variable as my A-2000. I just never obsessed over it on that set.

I had a JVC HD-ILA for a year and had it repaired 3 times and replaced 2 times for pretty serious issues that I couldn't live with. I replaced the JVC with the Sony, and the green haze I am experiencing is not noticeable at all (except on test patterns). If this appears to be pretty common (and the more I read this forum the more common it seems), I am not willing to risk getting a hack technician out to try to repair it and screw it up even more. Especially if I cant notice the issue on standard programming. If anything I can use this as ammunition to get a new set in a year or two when better technology comes out.

Also a quick note - I am very very very happy with this set. SD is Phenomenal for a HD TV. HDTV is PHENOMENAL, and 1080i DVD is comparable to HighDef IMO. I do not have a 1080P Dvd player yet, but I am sure this is Eye Popping.

Also this set is WAY WAY better than the JVC is. The JVC doesn't come close, and I truly feel sorry for anyone that has one.
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post #1022 of 3237
10/19/06 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Tzone7 View Post

Like I have said before. The LPF setting was incorrectly set in the July and earlier builds of the A2000. You actually lose resolution that your display is supposed to show. Since it was the 1080i/p setting that was off, you would see the difference in 1080 i/p material. More so in the finer details. This could be the cause of noise, artifacts or blurring that some are seeing. According to test equipment and test patterns the LPF fix does improve the resolution of the A2000.

How can I check the build date of my TV?

Is something that was deffinately fixed? So if I have an August or later build date I should be fine?
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post #1023 of 3237
10/19/06 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

I had a JVC HD-ILA for a year and had it repaired 3 times and replaced 2 times for pretty serious issues that I couldn't live with. I replaced the JVC with the Sony, and the green haze I am experiencing is not noticeable at all (except on test patterns). If this appears to be pretty common (and the more I read this forum the more common it seems), I am not willing to risk getting a hack technician out to try to repair it and screw it up even more. Especially if I cant notice the issue on standard programming. If anything I can use this as ammunition to get a new set in a year or two when better technology comes out.

As I've said before: The Green Haze and the Green Blob are two unrelated (other than it involves the color green) issues.
*Fixing the Green Blob (or other color uniformity issues) requires replacement of the optical block - so a technician is needed.
*Fixing the Green Haze just requires adjustment of the color Bias and Gain controls. This can be done: 1) by the user, on the user menu; 2) by adjusting similar controls in the Service Menu (something I don't recommend or support); 3) or (best of all) by an isf calibrator who has the needed knowledge and equipment to do this correctly.
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post #1024 of 3237
10/19/06 at 2:07pm
For the past week I have been viewing my our new KDS 55A200. I its has been really good. I would like to know if there is a concensus set of calibrations that I should consider. I have read various sets of numbers with tweaks and I would love to see a full set of settings that is working for most of you.
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post #1025 of 3237
10/19/06 at 2:49pm
FYI for all I have a September build of the 55A2000 just checked the LPF issue at 1080i...it was set at 5. So Sony must still not be setting this correctly from the factory...
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post #1026 of 3237
10/19/06 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by Sarcoptic View Post

FYI for all I have a September build of the 55A2000 just checked the LPF issue at 1080i...it was set at 5. So Sony must still not be setting this correctly from the factory...

I am not sure that there is a "correct" setting for all sets. It could be (like many adjustments in the SM) that what is "correct" on this parameter for one set is not "correct" for the next.
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post #1027 of 3237
10/19/06 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

How can I check the build date of my TV?

Is something that was deffinately fixed? So if I have an August or later build date I should be fine?

Build date is printed on a label located on the back of the A2000.
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post #1028 of 3237
10/19/06 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

How can I check the build date of my TV?

Is something that was deffinately fixed? So if I have an August or later build date I should be fine?

On the back of the A2000 there is a build date stamp. Most of the August and later builds have the LPF fix already.
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post #1029 of 3237
10/19/06 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Sarcoptic View Post

FYI for all I have a September build of the 55A2000 just checked the LPF issue at 1080i...it was set at 5. So Sony must still not be setting this correctly from the factory...


First I heard of a later than July build having the incorrect setting. Not a total surprise. More than likely a mistake in a few rather than all of them.
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post #1030 of 3237
10/19/06 at 5:32pm
I just bought a Sony KDS-60A2000 and was wondering if someone could list the settings I should use for playing games on an Xbox 360. If I am using the HD kit for the Xbox 360 should I pick 720p or 1080i on the Xbox, or will that even matter? My other question is should the TV ghost/lag like an LCD when playing a fast action game? As of yet I also do not seem to notice any green blobs or anything on the TV. I have had the TV for about 10 days and really enjoy the picture for HD and DVD's however gaming is a little concerning... any help will be much appreciated.
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post #1031 of 3237
10/19/06 at 6:25pm
I recieved my 50A2000 last saturday and the picture quality for DVD from Oppo 971 over DVI is great. I am not yet able to get HD pict quality to please my eyes. Can some one pls post me some good settings for HD viewing. I am viewing HD without a convertor box directly plugging in to RCN's feed.

Also the Cinemotion option is greyed out . How do I get to it
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post #1032 of 3237
10/19/06 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by Scarby Jones View Post

I just bought a Sony KDS-60A2000 and was wondering if someone could list the settings I should use for playing games on an Xbox 360. If I am using the HD kit for the Xbox 360 should I pick 720p or 1080i on the Xbox, or will that even matter? My other question is should the TV ghost/lag like an LCD when playing a fast action game? As of yet I also do not seem to notice any green blobs or anything on the TV. I have had the TV for about 10 days and really enjoy the picture for HD and DVD's however gaming is a little concerning... any help will be much appreciated.

Many answers are at the beginning of this thread, and also in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=684899

In a nutshell, go with 1080i for the 360 and make sure to set "Detail Enhancer" to either medium or high.
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post #1033 of 3237
10/20/06 at 5:34am
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Originally Posted by shanmanz View Post

I recieved my 50A2000 last saturday and the picture quality for DVD from Oppo 971 over DVI is great. I am not yet able to get HD pict quality to please my eyes. Can some one pls post me some good settings for HD viewing. I am viewing HD without a convertor box directly plugging in to RCN's feed.

Also the Cinemotion option is greyed out . How do I get to it

Just read the posts already in this thread for some good setting ideas. I also found CNET's suggestions for viewing movies in a dark room to be nice, but I prefer leaving detail enhancer on to at least MED setting. As for your Cinemotion, it will only work when the tv is getting a 480i feed. That is why it is greyed out on 1080i/720p HD broadcasts, or if your DVD player is set to 480p progressive scan.
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post #1034 of 3237
10/20/06 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by dallas27 View Post

avbill,

get yourself a "crosshatch" pattern to be sure. There's a link to patterns elsewhere in this thread.

Put up the crosshatch, get close and you should see if anything is off.

Elsewhere in thread, googer has posted a long list of service settings, one of which was the place to go to align the convergence for each color individual, both vertical and horizontal. I just adjusted mine the other day. the blue was off to the right 1 pixel, before I fixed. Everythign was perfect afterward.

I will say that it seemed that to either the left or right of any vertical white line, was a "shadow" of the white line. I don't know if that was the fault of the technology, or my player for the pattern. This didn't happen vertically. I'm interested if anyone else see this with a crosshatch.

I too have noticed the "shadow" or echo of the vertical white lines in the crosshatch pattern from the Avia disc played on a Sony DVP-NS700P(5 yrs old) output 480i thru components to the A2000. I also see the shadow lines on the Now Playing List on a Directv HD DVR output 1080i thru HDMI to the A2000. Both of these input have all of the "enhancements" be they edge, detail, DRC turned off. Also the Sharpness is set to 50 but dialing it to 0 does not get rid of the shadow lines. Any ideas or thoughts?
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post #1035 of 3237
10/20/06 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by lnoz View Post

I too have noticed the "shadow" or echo of the vertical white lines in the crosshatch pattern from the Avia disc played on a Sony DVP-NS700P(5 yrs old) output 480i thru components to the A2000. I also see the shadow lines on the Now Playing List on a Directv HD DVR output 1080i thru HDMI to the A2000. Both of these input have all of the "enhancements" be they edge, detail, DRC turned off. Also the Sharpness is set to 50 but dialing it to 0 does not get rid of the shadow lines. Any ideas or thoughts?

as i think about it, it may simply be the light reflecting within the lens. who knows though.
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post #1036 of 3237
10/20/06 at 1:12pm
When testing convergence on a 50IRE crosshatch pattern, how far back should I be to look for colors bleeding out to the sides of the white line?

When I am about 2 feet away... I BARELY BARELY notice colors bleeding out. I can only tell that there is:

GREEN on the LEFT of Vertical Lines
RED on the TOP of Horizontal Lines

When I stick my nose up to the set I notice:

PURPLE on the RIGHT of Vertical Lines
BLUE on the BOTTOM of Horizontal Lines
GREEN on the LEFT of Vertical Lines
RED on the TOP of Horizontal Lines

When I am 3 feet away I dont notice any colors just a smooth white line.
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post #1037 of 3237
10/20/06 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

When testing convergence on a 50IRE crosshatch pattern, how far back should I be to look for colors bleeding out to the sides of the white line?

When I am about 2 feet away... I BARELY BARELY notice colors bleeding out. I can only tell that there is:

GREEN on the LEFT of Vertical Lines
RED on the TOP of Horizontal Lines

When I stick my nose up to the set I notice:

PURPLE on the RIGHT of Vertical Lines
BLUE on the BOTTOM of Horizontal Lines
GREEN on the LEFT of Vertical Lines
RED on the TOP of Horizontal Lines

When I am 3 feet away I dont notice any colors just a smooth white line.

Assuming you normally watch from more than 3 feet away, it sounds like your set is converged as well as necessary. (I doubt there are even mechanical service adjustments that will get it much closer than you've described - and, if there are - what's the point if you can't see it at even an abnormally close 3' viewing distance?)
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post #1038 of 3237
10/20/06 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Tzone7 View Post

First I heard of a later than July build having the incorrect setting. Not a total surprise. More than likely a mistake in a few rather than all of them.


Me too. Sept Build with setting of 5. Set to 6 now. Dont see much of a difference
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post #1039 of 3237
10/20/06 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by shanmanz View Post

Me too. Sept Build with setting of 5. Set to 6 now. Dont see much of a difference

Mine is Sept build set to 6.
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post #1040 of 3237
10/20/06 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by dcfox View Post

Mine is Sept build set to 6.

My unit is August build and was set to 5. I set it to 6 and didn't notice any difference on 1080i cable feeds. I don't have an HD-DVD to try at the moment (so far I have been renting...but I did purchase Batman Begins and it's on the way!).
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post #1041 of 3237
10/20/06 at 8:16pm
I've had my 50A2000 for about a month now and have been digesting a lot of information about the various settings and tweaks. I'm taking it rather slow and have only used posted settings and the THX calibration tool to make adjustments.

Anyway, when using the THX calibration tool, I find that the rectangular box in the 16:9 setup screen is a bit jagged on the right side. (Incidentally, I did use this screen to set up my horizontal position in the SM as I could not get a fine enough adjustment in the normal user setup screen. I think it defaulted to 211 and I adjusted it to 197.)

Any thoughts on the jagged THX rectangle? It is very slight and only appears on the right side.
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post #1042 of 3237
10/21/06 at 4:57am
I'm new at all this. I posted this over on the new owner's forum and didn't receive a response. If I'm posting in the wrong place or this should be a new thread let me know.
I've got questions; hopefully someone has answers.

I have a 60a coming on Tuesday. I've had several LCD front projectors and every one has had some kind of cheap filter (we're talking room a/c looking ones here) covering the air intake. Even when I've replaced the filter with something more substantial, after a few months dirt gets into the unit, either on the optics or panels, and shows up on the screen. Every projector I've used, home or work, has these nasty screen-bugs, especially if you unfocus the image to get a good look at them. These haunting specks are almost more of a nuisance than bad pixels (which by the way, I see Sony doesn't put a limit on how many can show up before it's a manufacturing defect, but copping out saying it's part of the technology. Hmm, how convenient.)

These specks are a major nuisance to me (maybe it should be minor) and one of the reasons why I wanted to go with an LCD flat panel and not another lamp-driven unit with a cooling fan, but price dictates reason here, at least in this screen size. (I'm thinking enjoy the Sony for five years until LCD flat panels can be had for the same price.) I've been looking at a 60a on display at a local Sears and haven't noticed any dust specks or other visible anomalies showing up, but the unit has only been on display for a couple of months. In looking over the set I have not seen any filters anywhere. Has Sony somehow miraculously engineered a product which eliminates this problem with specks? The display will be used in a smoke-free environment but definitely not dust-free what with having windows open and evaporative coolers running.

After downloading the instruction manual from Sony I have yet to find anything indicating a filter is being used or that any kind of cleaning is recommended. Can a filter be added to the outside somewhere? (Maybe Velcro to hold it in place?). And if the optic path or SXRD panels become dirty, can this be cleaned? And if so, does a technician do it; and would it be covered under warranty? (Sony has a 1 year labor warranty and I purchased a CPS five year extended one.) If not, does anyone know how to clean the optical path and panels?
Thanks, Tocaje
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post #1043 of 3237
10/21/06 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by tocaje View Post

I'm new at all this. I posted this over on the new owner's forum and didn't receive a response. If I'm posting in the wrong place or this should be a new thread let me know.
I've got questions; hopefully someone has answers.

I have a 60a coming on Tuesday. I've had several LCD front projectors and every one has had some kind of cheap filter (we're talking room a/c looking ones here) covering the air intake. Even when I've replaced the filter with something more substantial, after a few months dirt gets into the unit, either on the optics or panels, and shows up on the screen. Every projector I've used, home or work, has these nasty screen-bugs, especially if you unfocus the image to get a good look at them. These haunting specks are almost more of a nuisance than bad pixels (which by the way, I see Sony doesn't put a limit on how many can show up before it's a manufacturing defect, but copping out saying it's part of the technology. Hmm, how convenient.)

These specks are a major nuisance to me (maybe it should be minor) and one of the reasons why I wanted to go with an LCD flat panel and not another lamp-driven unit with a cooling fan, but price dictates reason here, at least in this screen size. (I'm thinking enjoy the Sony for five years until LCD flat panels can be had for the same price.) I've been looking at a 60a on display at a local Sears and haven't noticed any dust specks or other visible anomalies showing up, but the unit has only been on display for a couple of months. In looking over the set I have not seen any filters anywhere. Has Sony somehow miraculously engineered a product which eliminates this problem with specks? The display will be used in a smoke-free environment but definitely not dust-free what with having windows open and evaporative coolers running.

After downloading the instruction manual from Sony I have yet to find anything indicating a filter is being used or that any kind of cleaning is recommended. Can a filter be added to the outside somewhere? (Maybe Velcro to hold it in place?). And if the optic path or SXRD panels become dirty, can this be cleaned? And if so, does a technician do it; and would it be covered under warranty? (Sony has a 1 year labor warranty and I purchased a CPS five year extended one.) If not, does anyone know how to clean the optical path and panels?
Thanks, Tocaje

I beleive the mirrors and business end of the lamp on in a enclosed space, though it is not sealed air tight. The fan moves air along the backside for cooling, so minimal dust should enter that enclosed space. Someone who has had it apart already may be able to be more definitive.
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post #1044 of 3237
10/21/06 at 12:02pm
Q: I heard about this "LPF" issue that messes with 1080i and reduces resolution or sharpness, how can I fix it?



The following is a post submitted by Googer(thx again googer). Use at own risk.




In the service menu, get to the "WEM SERVICE" menu (should be a pair of Jump's after first getting into it). Then, navigate using 2 to the "108 sharp xspp_ccp.spf" menu. Then, use 1 to navigate up to "014 YFLR". On the HDMI input I was using (input 6), the default setting for this was 5. Setting it to 6 or 7 (using 3 on the remote) did the trick. Don't forget to write it with mute + enter when you're done. Note that you likely need to set this per input and possibly per resolution but I would warn you that different values look as though they might mean different things depending on the resolution / input - for example, on 480i on the same input, the default was 0 (which looked fine already) and setting it to 7 would cause the image to get really screwed up. So, YMMV but at least you all know which basic area (and which setting) in the SM you should be playing with. Good luck!

if you can't find this, it's probably because you aren't using the "jump key", a number of people have been making this mistake.


Will this fix also apply if the HDMI is on input 7, or do I need to do something else . ie put the HDMI to input 6 ? Thanks
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post #1045 of 3237
10/21/06 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by tocaje View Post

I'm new at all this. I posted this over on the new owner's forum and didn't receive a response. If I'm posting in the wrong place or this should be a new thread let me know.
I've got questions; hopefully someone has answers.

I have a 60a coming on Tuesday. I've had several LCD front projectors and every one has had some kind of cheap filter (we're talking room a/c looking ones here) covering the air intake. Even when I've replaced the filter with something more substantial, after a few months dirt gets into the unit, either on the optics or panels, and shows up on the screen. Every projector I've used, home or work, has these nasty screen-bugs, especially if you unfocus the image to get a good look at them. These haunting specks are almost more of a nuisance than bad pixels (which by the way, I see Sony doesn't put a limit on how many can show up before it's a manufacturing defect, but copping out saying it's part of the technology. Hmm, how convenient.)

These specks are a major nuisance to me (maybe it should be minor) and one of the reasons why I wanted to go with an LCD flat panel and not another lamp-driven unit with a cooling fan, but price dictates reason here, at least in this screen size. (I'm thinking enjoy the Sony for five years until LCD flat panels can be had for the same price.) I've been looking at a 60a on display at a local Sears and haven't noticed any dust specks or other visible anomalies showing up, but the unit has only been on display for a couple of months. In looking over the set I have not seen any filters anywhere. Has Sony somehow miraculously engineered a product which eliminates this problem with specks? The display will be used in a smoke-free environment but definitely not dust-free what with having windows open and evaporative coolers running.

After downloading the instruction manual from Sony I have yet to find anything indicating a filter is being used or that any kind of cleaning is recommended. Can a filter be added to the outside somewhere? (Maybe Velcro to hold it in place?). And if the optic path or SXRD panels become dirty, can this be cleaned? And if so, does a technician do it; and would it be covered under warranty? (Sony has a 1 year labor warranty and I purchased a CPS five year extended one.) If not, does anyone know how to clean the optical path and panels?
Thanks, Tocaje

I actually work in the electronics dept of a Sears store. Up until last Tuesday we had an XBR-1 on display that had been there for almost a year, and still have a rather tired looking 60 A20 that's been there at least as long. Niether shows any evidence of the problem you're describing, nor do any of the other rear projection sets in the store, including the 50" A-2000 that's been up and running since August. I personally own a 5 year old Sony crt based set that does gather dust on the surface of the crts and needs the lenses cleaned off about every 6 months to a year, but it has a big perforated panel on the back that admits dust. The microdisplay sets all seem to be pretty well sealed except for the fan grille.
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post #1046 of 3237
10/21/06 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by jimmyv View Post

Assuming you normally watch from more than 3 feet away, it sounds like your set is converged as well as necessary. (I doubt there are even mechanical service adjustments that will get it much closer than you've described - and, if there are - what's the point if you can't see it at even an abnormally close 3' viewing distance?)

Thanks for this info. Unfortunately I am going to have to put in a call to sony because I have a TV with a Green Blob. It has become significantly worse over the last couple of days (This set was just delivered less then a week ago). So, here we go again dealing with service techs. Looks like I have to get an optical block to fix the green blob.... Will this mean I have to re-test for convergence?
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post #1047 of 3237
10/22/06 at 6:45am
anyone running a PC with HDMI
can i have your resolution/timings settings that best fits your screen cause 50A200 can't display native 1080p from PC i been trying to figure it out with under/overscan options on nvidia control panel yet i can't get it to fill the entire screen.

i also have tilted screen i can only see when using Windows since i have 1/2inch black borders an image is tilted little to the left.

i tried doing FAQ
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Q: My picture is Tilted and not "level" with the bezel/enclosure

but that only moves my image up a little tilt is still there.
(i tried moving it to B to A ) with A it move the image up and C i saw no difference from B but tilt remain with either.

will sony come and to fix this issue or because they don't support the use of PC via HDMI leave me with this issue.

thx
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post #1048 of 3237
10/22/06 at 8:09am
Does anyone know when the "LPF fix per Googer" is applied does it effect both HDMI inputs ?
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post #1049 of 3237
10/22/06 at 9:09am
How do you determine the LPF setting on your set? How do you change it if necessary? Is the concensus is that the setting should be 7?
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post #1050 of 3237
10/22/06 at 9:49am
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